Aside from the quote above that I put (which I find fits the situation perfectly).
I am of the mind that the ultra-religious right in this country believe in their hearts and minds that this is 1095 and the Crusades are beginning.
They are demonizing Islam and Muslims in general. Now, they plan on publicly burning Islam's most holy text. Why? Because they want to elicit a response from Islam. They don't want this war on terror to be against "radical Islam" but rather, Islam in general.
They will not be content unless the US is at war with just under 2 billion people in the world. They see themselves as a modern day Renaud de Châtillon.
Quote: Aside from the quote above that I put (which I find fits the situation perfectly).
I am of the mind that the ultra-religious right in this country believe in their hearts and minds that this is 1095 and the Crusades are beginning.
They are demonizing Islam and Muslims in general. Now, they plan on publicly burning Islam's most holy text. Why? Because they want to elicit a response from Islam. They don't want this war on terror to be against "radical Islam" but rather, Islam in general.
They will not be content unless the US is at war with just under 2 billion people in the world. They see themselves as a modern day Renaud de Châtillon.
I think your thoughts are stupid. There is no one in this country thinking it is 1095 and the crusades are back. Sorry to burst your "I know history better than you" bubble.
Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that........
How dumb is it for you to think that a church of 50 people burning the quran speaks for the American people? Seriously - how dumb is that?
There are good muslims - the majority of them - even though they are not the outspoken ones - no, what we have is extremists that might get offended. But keep in mind, those extremists get offended at anything.
What is stupid is your standing up for them. What is stupid is your referencing ancient history and assimilating it to today. What is stupid is your superiority complex by naming things and people from 1000 years ago. Face it - you may feel you are educated - but you have no clue about reality, today. Study your history - I'm sure it will lead to a job - maybe with al jazeera.........where you can espouse your hatred of the u.s. with applause.
But keep in mind, under the islam you promote - people die for being gay - women die for not covering their faces, etc.
Perhaps you would fit in better in a country that believes as you do - Iran maybe?
You seem to want people to allow muslim extremism, while at the same time you want people to hate the u.s., and especially christianity.
Oh, and you also want people to live in smaller houses and send more of their money to the gov't. to "help" those that won't get off their asses and find a job.
Quote: "Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." - Heinrich Heine 1821
That quote was referenced in the article I posted earlier in this thread. But it is true, and I especially agree with the Rabbi's warnings in the aforementioned article.
Quote: Mac - are you trying to say that a church with 50 members - in florida - is capable of inciting muslims in afghanistan to kill american soldiers?
Have not these muslims killed american soldiers before this?
Burning the quran proves no point. But, just as the muslims have a right to build a mosque in new york, these 50 christians have a right to burn a quran, don't they? It proves nothing, but they can do it. It also does NOT put our troops at increased risk.
arch...Tell us how many sons and daughters you have that have been in Iraq or Afghanistan fighting our wars.
It is easy to support war when you have nothing to risk...isn't it?
Remember...it's all about protecting our soldiers and it's not just me...even Gen Petraeus thinks it's a bad idea that could put our troops in further risk.
I find it so interesting to see those of you with your keyboard courage, thumping your chests...but you risk nothing in Iraq or Afghanistan...interesting.
If you are living through a child, you're using as much "keyboard courage" as the next guy.
I think most of nus have friends or relatives who serve, or have served. What is the "cut off" for being allowed to discuss war?
I also notice that you never go after anti-war poster asking them if they or their sons serve. Why is that?
My other question would be this ..... if only people who serve in war are allowed to comment on wars, then should only those who actually pay taxes have a say in tax and spending policies, and be allowed to vote?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: I find it so interesting to see those of you with your keyboard courage, thumping your chests...but you risk nothing in Iraq or Afghanistan...interesting.
Here we go again with him harping on one pointless sentence ad nauseum.
Unless you're typing this from Afghanistan or Iraq, you're in that group that is talking without risking anything.
Quote: even Gen Petraeus thinks it's a bad idea that could put our troops in further risk.
I said it earlier in response to you, and I'll say it again: General Petraeus is full of it.
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Once again mac - do you honestly think that a 50 member church in Florida - if they burn qurans - that it will make the muslim terrorists all of a sudden decide to try to kill u.s. soldiers?
I have 0 sons or daughters in the military. That makes me bad? You think you're special because you might have a son there?
I have a first cousin in Afghanistan. Does that allow me to have an opinion?
GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off.
"We are still determined to it, yes," the Rev. Terry Jones told the CBS Early Show.
Jones says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."
Supporters have been mailing copies of the holy text to his Gainesville church of about 50 followers to be incinerated in a bonfire on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
Gen. David Petraeus took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence."
Gen. Ray Odierno, the former top commander in Iraq, said Wednesday he fears that extremists will use the incident to sow hatred against U.S. troops overseas.
"This feeds right into what they want," Odierno said on NBC's "Today Show. Odierno now heads of U.S. Joint Forces Command.
Jones responded that he is also concerned but is "wondering, 'When do we stop?'" He refused to cancel the protest at his Dove World Outreach Center but said he was still praying about it.
"How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?" Jones told the AP. "Instead of us backing down, maybe it's time to stand up. Maybe it's time to send a message to radical Islam that we will not tolerate their behavior."
Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.
His actions most likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear in several landmark rulings that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.
The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting Tuesday with religious leaders to discuss recent attacks on Muslims and mosques around the U.S. called the planned burning idiotic and dangerous, according to a Justice Department official. The official requested anonymity because the meeting was private.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton added her disapproval at a dinner in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
"I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," Clinton said.
Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church on Saturday.
Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.
David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Barack Obama told CNN Wednesday morning: "The reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right. It's not consistent with our values ... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."
In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.
"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."
Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"
The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.
Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.
Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.
The world's leading Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination, and called on other American churches speak out against it.
Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.
Jones dismisses the response of the other churches as "cowardly."
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Pretty strong words from some of our Muslim brothers . At least they would be visible targets of opportunity when/if the killing that they want so bad starts .
Quote: "It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."
So, let me get this straight.
A small church in Florida is having a Quran bonfire to protest radical Islam. While this is obviously stupid and intolerant, they have the right to do it. And if this happens, the Muslims in Afghanistan...have a duty to kill any Americans they see? All because some fringe nutjobs burned some copies of their holy book?
Someone on this board said that these are the people that were going to kill Americans anyway, and that they are just looking for an excuse. I would have to agree.
Quote: I think your thoughts are stupid. There is no one in this country thinking it is 1095 and the crusades are back. Sorry to burst your "I know history better than you" bubble.
Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that........
Quote: I think your thoughts are stupid. There is no one in this country thinking it is 1095 and the crusades are back. Sorry to burst your "I know history better than you" bubble.
Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that........
Five words for you:
Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller
That's 2 names and 1 word.
And I hardly consider even one of those loons a respectable source.
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We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
I think that was his rebuttal to "There is no one in this country thinking it is 1095 and the crusades are back .... Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that.", and it's an indisputable rebuttal. There ARE people attempting to demonize Islam.
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The way I read arch's comment he said no one in the country thinks the crusades are back and then the next part I think the no one refers to no one on this board.
Quote: Jones says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God
Now that's what I call 'faith in action!'
There's just so much stupidity all the way around on this. I can't contribute anything that's been left unsaid really. Is Petraeus eying some cushy cabinet/administration job or are exaggerated claims just the standard out of the Pentagon nowadays?
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Quote: Study your history - I'm sure it will lead to a job - maybe with al jazeera.........where you can espouse your hatred of the u.s. with applause.
I am very knowledgable in history. So, I don't need to "study it" because I already have "studied" it.
Quote: But keep in mind, under the islam you promote - people die for being gay - women die for not covering their faces, etc. Perhaps you would fit in better in a country that believes as you do - Iran maybe?
You seem to want people to allow muslim extremism, while at the same time you want people to hate the u.s., and especially christianity.
Ah, so, saying it is wrong for people to burn the Koran suddenly = me being an extremist. Yet, you accuse me of "leaps in judgement". Who knew that standing up and saying it is wrong to burn the Koran makes one an Islamic Extremist hell bent on destroying America. Hate to tell you this, but you have a problem with others. You see anybody who doesn't agree with you as a "traitor" and "an extremist hell bent on destroying America". Don't look out your window, that guy with a beard may be a SPY sent by Al Qaeda to follow your every move. When you are alone they are going to STEAL your Brain for experiments aboard their mothership!
This scene from Harold and Kumar really hits to my point on how you see the world.
While this issue seems pretty stupid and obvious to me.. does anybody else see how this is painting a clear picture between "us" and "them"?
Quote: In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.
"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."
Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"
This is a candidate for the freakin' parliament that is stating that if this book is burned by 50 nutjobs in Florida then killing whatever innocent American you see on the streets of whatever country is fair game for you to kill him...
Meanwhile, our own politicians, political leaders, and the vast majority of general citizens view this Quran burning as a horrible idea, intolerant, etc..
When their zealots kill people, their religious and political leaders and remarkably silent.. when our zealots want to burn books, our leaders speak out.
When we help them defend Kuwait, they kill our citizens... when we overthrow their dictators, they kill our citizens... when we target their fanatical militant leaders that attack us, they kill our citizens... when we burn a freakin' book, they kill our citizens...
Quote: The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.
Wonder where the nutjob reverand gets that idea...
Quote: .. does anybody else see how this is painting a clear picture between "us" and "them"?
The bigger question to me is who is painting that picture . In an article from the BBC at the bottom of the page was this response . Why don't these responses get more air time ...wouldn't be as sensational now would it ?
Turkey
In Turkey's Star newspaper, columnist Mehmet Altan described Mr Jones as a "provocateur" disguised as a clergyman. His piece also reported on the condemnation from religious and civil figures in the US.
He wrote: "This 'priest', who has obviously sworn to cause trouble, told the New York Times he was going to ignore everybody and carry out a burning on 11 September.
"When asked what he knew of the holy Koran Mr Jones admitted that he had 'no experience or knowledge in this matter' saying that he only knew what the Bible said.
"It is clear that he not just a provocateur but also a charlatan.
"Now, everyone with their head on straight is trying to foil this 11 September-timed act of provocation."
Come on Arch. You should know by now that a few bad muslim apples (not sure what the percentage is out of the World's 1.8 billion), doesn't spoil the bunch, but 50 extremist Christians in Fla ruins all the world's orchards.
Bottom line is that the US is allowing terrorism to work. If it didn't work, we wouldn't even be having this debate and wouldn't be concerned about what 50 scary extremist Christians are doing. OMG, they are burning books, people are next!!!
Quote: The way I read arch's comment he said no one in the country thinks the crusades are back and then the next part I think the no one refers to no one on this board.
Thank you - that is exactly what I meant. Apparently I didn't make it clear enough for everyone.
Quote: But keep in mind, under the islam you promote - people die for being gay - women die for not covering their faces, etc. Perhaps you would fit in better in a country that believes as you do - Iran maybe?
You seem to want people to allow muslim extremism, while at the same time you want people to hate the u.s., and especially christianity.
Ah, so, saying it is wrong for people to burn the Koran suddenly = me being an extremist.
I'm not sure where you got that...........could you enlighten me?
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Yet, you accuse me of "leaps in judgement". Who knew that standing up and saying it is wrong to burn the Koran makes one an Islamic Extremist hell bent on destroying America.
Again - not sure where you got that from, as I didn't say it. Perhaps you could read the words I wrote without adding in your own bias. That'd be neat. Wanna try it?
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Hate to tell you this, but you have a problem with others. You see anybody who doesn't agree with you as a "traitor" and "an extremist hell bent on destroying America".
Actually, no, I don't. I do believe you have a problem though.
Quote:
Don't look out your window, that guy with a beard may be a SPY sent by Al Qaeda to follow your every move. When you are alone they are going to STEAL your Brain for experiments aboard their mothership!
This scene from Harold and Kumar really hits to my point on how you see the world.
Interesting.
This thought really hits my point as to how you view things - anything any other country does is fine, but anything the u.s. does is bad. If muslim extremists want to kill american citizens because a book was burned, that religion is good. If christians do anything, they are bad.
Actually, I just watched your little video. Your comment to me about that video is one of the lamest things I've read in recent history.
First of all - where, in everything I have posted - where do you come up with me being afraid of muslims or Islam?
Secondly, read my posts in this thread - PLEASE!!!! If you bother to, you will see that I think burning the koran is stupid and proves not point.
You will also see that I don't believe it will lead to more American deaths in Afghanistan.
That's really all I've said. All this other crap you are spewing is stupid, inane, and your problem. Not mine. Reading comprehension - it's actually a good thing.
Actually, since your so wonderful with history - try this. Re read this thread - what I have posted is history. Perhaps you'll do better the second time.
Quote: Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that......
Nobody is demonizing Muslims at all, right?
Quote: There are good muslims - the majority of them - even though they are not the outspoken ones - no, what we have is extremists that might get offended. But keep in mind, those extremists get offended at anything.
There are good Muslims, as you say, yet, sure enough you go right into the "they aren't outspoken" card.
Quote: But keep in mind, under the islam you promote - people die for being gay - women die for not covering their faces, etc.
You have no problem with Islam. Yet, you say I "promote" Islam by saying it is wrong to burn the Koran. So, what is your retort to that?
Quote: Perhaps you would fit in better in a country that believes as you do - Iran maybe?
Ah, there's your retort. Since I said it is wrong for people to burn the Koran I should MOVE TO IRAN. So, the only "real" American is one who wants to burn the Koran. So, to become an "American" in your view, one must burn the Koran. I'm not "American" enough for you and since I don't burn the Koran and feel that burning the Koran is wrong, i need to MOVE TO IRAN.
Quote: You seem to want people to allow muslim extremism
So, not only should I move to Iran because I don't want to burn the Koran and believe it is wrong. I am also aiding and abetting Muslim Extremists. Bravo, for proving my point about you and Islam. You hate Islam and you consider all Muslims and all people who believe it is wrong to burn the Koran to be "enablers" of Extremist Muslims like Al Qaeda.
See those things there called "quotes" in the boxes. Those are from you. You said those things. Those things show that you do not like Muslims and consider Muslims and those that are against burning the Koran "Un-American". So, don't sit here and be a broken record claiming:
Ah, there's your retort. Since I said it is wrong for people to burn the Koran I should MOVE TO IRAN. So, the only "real" American is one who wants to burn the Koran. So, to become an "American" in your view, one must burn the Koran. I'm not "American" enough for you and since I don't burn the Koran and feel that burning the Koran is wrong, i need to MOVE TO IRAN.
Dude, you have some serious issues.
I ALSO think it is wrong to burn the koran, okay?
Try reading my posts in their entirety, okay? Anyone can take a single line from a paragraph. Further more, you DO hate the American way - in my opinion.
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Quote: You seem to want people to allow muslim extremism
So, not only should I move to Iran because I don't want to burn the Koran and believe it is wrong. I am also aiding and abetting Muslim Extremists. Bravo, for proving my point about you and Islam. You hate Islam and you consider all Muslims and all people who believe it is wrong to burn the Koran to be "enablers" of Extremist Muslims like Al Qaeda.
This is stupid. Your argument is dumb. I don't hate muslims, and I don't hate Islam. Grow up. And quit putting words in my mouth.
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See those things there called "quotes" in the boxes. Those are from you. You said those things. Those things show that you do not like Muslims and consider Muslims and those that are against burning the Koran "Un-American". So, don't sit here and be a broken record claiming:
"Enlighten me" "I never said that, show me where"
Again - grow up.
Here, let me show you how easy it is to do what you just did:
Ready? Your quote: "Five words for you:
Robert Spencer"
That's only 2 words.
See how easy it is to take something out of context? Now, let me spell it out for you - what I did was take only a PART of your quote........see how that works?
What you are doing is taking a sentence or 2 out of a paragraph of mine.........see the relation there?????????
Absolutely no where have I said, or even insinuated that Islam is stupid, or that I hate it, OR that I hate muslims. You have assumed that, and you look stupid for doing so.
Again - re read the thread, and take out any bias you have against me PRIOR to re-reading.
Book burning is stupid. And it always has been stupid.
In this particular case, this church is making Americans look like a bunch of idiots. This is the equivalent of Ahmadinejad spewing rhetoric about wiping Israel off the map, or proclaiming that The Holocaust was a myth, or at least greatly embellished by the Jews.
It serves little purpose other than to antagonize the other side. And if you live in Afghanistan, where there is little stability and government struggles to maintain any kind of order or educational system; then it is really easy for people to control how people think and feel with propaganda.
There isn't exactly a whole lot of money in Afghanistan. And people are more interested in surviving than keeping an internet connection in their homes---so the information that most people get comes from word of mouth and from what people see.
They don't know what America is all about. But if they are shown videos of Americans burning Korans---then they are going to have trouble separating the fact that these were just an isolated group of morons with some matches. Instead, they are going to be thinking that this is how all Americans behave. Especially when the Taliban, and/or Al-qaida propaganda machine starts churning out video of print of this incitement.
So while this is the right of the people exercising their first amendment rights---it is also a stupid idea b/c it simply provides fuel for all the extremists overseas. And it is counterproductive in the fighting for hearts and minds that has been going on over there for nearly ten freaking years.
Its a bad idea, its short-sighted, and it is a misrepresentation of the attitudes of majority of Americans.
And the people who it is going to offend the most are people a world away who can't simply look up another news source on their handy ipad to see a more accurate portrayal of real Americans.
Its idiocy....and the head of the church is a bigot.
Quote: Book burning is stupid. And it always has been stupid.
Pretty much agree there.
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In this particular case, this church is making Americans look like a bunch of idiots. This is the equivalent of Ahmadinejad spewing rhetoric about wiping Israel off the map, or proclaiming that The Holocaust was a myth, or at least greatly embellished by the Jews.
I disagree. This isn't making Americans look stupid - it's making a 50 member church look stupid. Just the same as when Ahmadinajad makes his stupid remarks - I think to myself "self?, that guy is stupid". And I in absolutely NO way relate what he says to the Iranian people.
See, just because the president says something - that doesn't mean the people said it, nor do they believe it. The Iranian people are no different than us - they live under the gov't. They don't have to agree with it, they just have to abide by it.
And by the way - these 50 people are not speaking for America. For you to insinuate, actually, for you to say they are, well, that's just stupid.
Does the KKK speak for america?
Does the New Black Panther party speak for America?
Do the muslim terrorists speak for the countries they came from?
You know we're all pretty smart dudes,...we know it is stupid to think these "50" speak for all of us,....the problem is, the media will make it look like they do. And we have Supreme Court Justices that will say they have the First Amendment on their side. And legally speaking, it is.
We're dealing with extremists - there is no possible way to appease them, so why try? They want to kill us - regardless of quran burning or not. Why can't you see that?
We are not trying to appease the extremists. We are simply trying not to give them fule to keep the fire burning...They already have 100 reasons to hate the US..they don't need 101(yes and i get it..you say well they arleady have 100 101 isn't going to make a difference...) but that is one more thing onto the top of crazy nonsense reasons they(extremistis) hate us.
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True, real muslims will look at burning the quran the way I look at people burning the Bible - what point does it serve?
Yah sure lot of muslims will just shake their head...but you REALLY have no clue what their culture is over there...i know this because i'm from another country and realize how things from the outside look SO different form the way things really are in this country.
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There is no way this group of 50 incites muslims that were peace loving to all of a sudden decide to kill Americans. No way. That's stupid to even think.
You would be surprised how little it takes for them to pick up arms and go out and join the "holy war". Their whole war against the US is based upon trying to convince people that they don't respect islam and how ISLAM should rule the world...by burning a QURAN you are proving jsut that...do you think THEY will know it's 50 people burning it? NO they will see it "AMERICA BURNS QURAN" as the headline...do you get my point?
It is their right to do it, and I fully support their right to do it with every fiber of my body that served this country because that is what this country stands for, like it or not - the right for freedom of speech especially when you don't agree with what is being said.
I, however, condemn the act. It is petty, mindless and almost certainly being done purely for the attention it garners. For someone trying to grow a "church", this is nothing but a buttload of free advertising for them, and there are people that will support their endeavor and they will almost certainly grow as a result of this.
This is precisely the exact same bastardization of religion that the islamist extremists practice. It doesn't matter that nobody is getting killed, the nature of the act is the same: It is religiously motivated hatred supposedly in the name of a God that teaches peace and loving of the fellow man - God's name is usurped for the message of a man.
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Quote: Not a single person is demonizing muslims, OR islam. Not a one. Except for your failed attempt at accusing people of that........
How dumb is it for you to think that a church of 50 people burning the quran speaks for the American people? Seriously - how dumb is that?
The people in countries like iraq, afghanisthan, iran, etc aren't going to see it that way my friend...that is what you are not understanding... Because by the time this story gets there it willllllll be come US vs ISLAM
Quote: I disagree. This isn't making Americans look stupid - it's making a 50 member church look stupid. Just the same as when Ahmadinajad makes his stupid remarks - I think to myself "self?, that guy is stupid". And I in absolutely NO way relate what he says to the Iranian people.
Great that you think that...that is the way any educated and normal person should think...but come on do you really think all people (including people in america) are that non-judgemental?
our media made a imaginry mosque and placed ON ground zero lol...and people were going nuts over something thats not even true...how can you imagine 50 people buning a quran is going to go over with the media? esp in the middle east?
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