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Injured Tony Ugoh waived by Colts[/b[]
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Last year, Tony Ugoh lost his starting job. On Wednesday, he was simply out of a job.
The offensive lineman the Colts once projected as their left tackle of the future was placed on the waived-injured list after missing practice with an undisclosed foot injury. To take his spot, the Colts claimed another offensive lineman, Joe Reitz, off waivers from Miami.
Colts players and coach Jim Caldwell were not available after practice to comment on the move, but are expected to talk about it Thursday.
Ugoh's future with the Colts had been in doubt since Caldwell demoted Ugoh from starter to backup during training camp last season. Charlie Johnson replaced Ugoh in the lineup and started 12 times with Ugoh starting the other four.
When camp opened this summer, the Colts had hoped Ugoh would win the starting job at left guard.
He barely got a chance. Johnson sprained his right foot the first week of training camp, forcing the Colts to put Ugoh back in his old spot. Ugoh spent the rest of the preseason at left tackle.
When Johnson returned to practice Wednesday, the first time he'd worked out with his teammates since Aug. 6, the Colts wasted little time in parting ways with the 6-foot-5, 301-pound Arkansas alum.
Indy traded up to take Ugoh with the 42nd overall pick in 2007, and Colts President Bill Polian said then that he expected Ugoh to become the eventual replacement for longtime left tackle Tarik Glenn.
Glenn, however, retired unexpectedly that summer, handing the starting job to Ugoh.
As a rookie, Ugoh started 11 games, missing five with injuries, with a unit that allowed only 23 sacks. He started 12 of 15 games in 2008, when the Colts allowed only 14 sacks, but with the Colts ground game averaging only 3.4 yards per carry, Ugoh became a target for criticism.
Caldwell finally made the change at training camp.
Reitz spent part of the 2008 season and all of 2009 on the Ravens' practice squad after signing with Baltimore as an undrafted free agent. He grew up in Fishers, a suburb of Indianapolis, and played prep ball at Hamilton Southeastern. He also was the first player from Hamilton Southeastern to make the Indiana All-Star team in basketball.
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How is this possible? I thought that all of the botched high round picks came from our front office. 
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Looking is free, so look as much as you like. Injury stuff is a major concern. How many of those sacks were identifiably "his", like his first blocking contact? Has to have been coached up well with the Ponies. 
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I'd look at him if his injuries are healed..that RT spot concerns me a lot..
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yea...Ugoh is light years better than St. Clair and Vallos...granted he doesnt play the same spot as Vallos so he wouldnt replace him...but he has more value to us than St. Clair does.
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RT maybe? We don't need him on the left but could he be insurance over there?
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If we think that he can play RT, and if he is healthy, we need to bring him in for a workout.
However, and I may be off base on this, but I've always thought of him as a smaller guy... a lankier tackle - much more finesse and much less power; so I'm not sure how well he'd do as a RT for us.
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I don't think you are off at all...he's only 305..however his footwork should be better than Pachos..and definately St.Turnstile..
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If we think that he can play RT, and if he is healthy, we need to bring him in for a workout.
However, and I may be off base on this, but I've always thought of him as a smaller guy... a lankier tackle - much more finesse and much less power; so I'm not sure how well he'd do as a RT for us.
I agree I am not sure he would be an upgrade on the right side and he is a liability in the run game.
He might be an upgrade in pass protection on that side, but overall I don't think he fits the mold of what we need @ RT.
I still think that when he is healthy, Womack is probably our best option @ RT.
St. Clair can also be effective when we run the ball like Womack, but I think Womack was the better pass blocker of the two last season.
He still has to clear waivers so we might be premature in thinking we should bring him in for a look'Cy.
I wonder who will start @ RT this week? Is Pashos a starter or a backup there?
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I'd bring him in for sure.... They use the YPC average as his damning point? I don't really see that. Addai is simply not that great of a runner.
He'd be worth bringing in at a decent sized contract to contend at RT and backup JT.
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Where are all the people who cried so much over the Joe Thomas pick, claiming that Ugoh in round 2 was a better "value"? There were a TON of those, but they have all vanished! 
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yea...Ugoh is light years better than St. Clair and Vallos...granted he doesnt play the same spot as Vallos so he wouldnt replace him...but he has more value to us than St. Clair does.
In theory he plays better.
My guess is that if he plays better than those guys, he wouldn't have been cut.
Obviously the injury makes him pretty useless...at least in the eyes of the colts.
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Where are all the people who cried so much over the Joe Thomas pick, claiming that Ugoh in round 2 was a better "value"?
There were a TON of those, but they have all vanished!
I wasn't around for that, but I think it would have been a turkey shoot with those folks. 
If I had to guess I would say that JT was probably the most unanimous 1st round pick we have had since 99.
JT= no brainer!
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Where are all the people who cried so much over the Joe Thomas pick, claiming that Ugoh in round 2 was a better "value"?
There were a TON of those, but they have all vanished!
I wasn't around for that, but I think it would have been a turkey shoot with those folks.
If I had to guess I would say that JT was probably the most unanimous 1st round pick we have had since 99.
JT= no brainer!
Well you have to remember, there was a fair amount of folks that wanted us to take Brady Quinn first and then pick up a LT in the second....
So some of that thinking didn't have anything to do with JT vs Ugoh.. it had more to do with people wanting Quinn... and trying to convince people that Ugoh was every bit as good as JT.... The idea being, we get our starting QB for the next 10+ years and still get our starting LT.
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Where are all the people who cried so much over the Joe Thomas pick, claiming that Ugoh in round 2 was a better "value"?
There were a TON of those, but they have all vanished!
I wasn't around for that, but I think it would have been a turkey shoot with those folks.
If I had to guess I would say that JT was probably the most unanimous 1st round pick we have had since 99.
JT= no brain'er!
Well you have to remember, there was a fair amount of folks that wanted us to take Brady Quinn first and then pick up a LT in the second....
So some of that thinking didn't have anything to do with JT vs Ugoh.. it had more to do with people wanting Quinn... and trying to convince people that Ugoh was every bit as good as JT.... The idea being, we get our starting QB for the next 10+ years and still get our starting LT.
If we did not pick JT.....IMO
It would not have made a difference who we drafted @ QB.
As it turned out both had their wish come true.
And how did that turn out! 
Ugoh was not even close to being in the same league as JT.
I thought he was over rated and was at best a late 3rd round prospect in 2007. Not a Franchise LT.
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It didn't help that Tarik Glenn their current LT at the time retired and forced him into the starting role.
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I'm gonna pass on Ugoh.
Bill Polian is a pretty solid evaluator of talent .... and if he decided that they could release Ugoh ... then there are probably pretty solid reasons why. I also can't recall too many guys Polian dumped who went on to do anything elsewhere. I'm sure there are a few ..... but probably not many in their supposed prime.
Anyway .... Ugoh has missed 11 games in 3 seasons ..... 5 in 2007 ... 1 in 2008 ..... and 5 in 2009 ......
If it's up to me, I pass, We already have one injury risk in Pashos. 2 on the same team is just asking for trouble.
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You're correct.
Starting caliber tackles don't "just get cut."
Charlie Johnson is hardly a world beater,and the Colts trying to move Ugoh to gaurd speaks volumes about his talent/work ethic.
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Polian did trade M.Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th,but I'm thinking he prolly got this one right.
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Polian did trade M.Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th,but I'm thinking he prolly got this one right.
Yes he traded Marshall Faulk. He also drafted Edgerrin James that same year.
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Polian did trade M.Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th,but I'm thinking he prolly got this one right.
Yes he traded Marshall Faulk. He also drafted Edgerrin James that same year.
Yup and a few years later, Edge James left for Arizona and the Colts never missed a beat..
But to be fair, I'd have taken Faulk or James at the time they departed Indy.. both still had a ton left in the tank... again, to be fair, both had already shown they have the talent and the ability to be great.
Ugoh hasn't done that..
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Yup and a few years later, Edge James left for Arizona and the Colts never missed a beat..
A few years and 9,226 rushing yards later. James is a borderline Hall of Famer.
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Ugoh hasn't done that..
Right, I agree, but where else do you find 26 year old left tackles with 27 career starts?
I don't think Ugoh is a long term answer for any team. But with our lack of depth on the O-Line, especially after Lauvao ankle turn, wouldn't you rather have Ugoh plugged in there instead of St. Clair?
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A few years and 9,226 rushing yards later. James is a borderline Hall of Famer.
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But with our lack of depth on the O-Line, especially after Lauvao ankle turn, wouldn't you rather have Ugoh plugged in there instead of St. Clair?
If you just say a 26 year old, LT with 26 startss,,,,,, sure..
Hasn't he has some injury issues and then when healthy he wasn't great at LT..
But you are right,, as a RT or even RG.. why now try him out...
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That is a pretty big cut to make for the colts. I wonder what his deal is, just not motivated or a bust?? And could he play RT. I bet he is picked up quickly- does he have to clear waivers or is he free to negotiate with whoever?
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He was waived, so he has to clear before becoming a free agent. Gotta have four credited seasons before you can be released outright.
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I'm not sure about that.... at certain times during training camp, that applies to everyone, but after cut downs to the regular season roster, I'm not sure that applies to vested veterans.
Actually, I just looked, he is just now entering his 4th season, so he is NOT a vested veteran and MUST clear waivers first no matter what.
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Yeah, I should've been more specific. When I said he was waived, I meant he was waived and placed on waivers, not waived and his contract instantly terminated and becoming a free agent (aka being cut or released).
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I don't think you are off at all...he's only 305..however his footwork should be better than Pachos..and definately St.Turnstile..
are you certain????
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I'd bring him in for sure.... They use the YPC average as his damning point? I don't really see that. Addai is simply not that great of a runner.
He'd be worth bringing in at a decent sized contract to contend at RT and backup JT.
who gets cut for him to prolly play guard?
I'd like to try Fanaika first
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Wonder if this was political thing? He gets his old job back at a much more prestigious (and higher dollar value) position and when his former backup returns and reclaims starting status he's immediately released. Even mediocre backup left tackles with 27 starts are highly valuable. Just straight up releasing the guy doesn't happen without somekind of provocation. Something went down.
Which might mean he's still not a good pickup other than backup LT. If he's unwilling to play guard and not a good run blocker I doubt he's a Mangini/ Heckert/ Holmgren kind of guy. Granted... All conjecture.
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I'd look at him if his injuries are healed..that RT spot concerns me a lot..
I watched him in college and in the pro's. Ugoh is a bum. No thanks.
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Where are all the people who cried so much over the Joe Thomas pick, claiming that Ugoh in round 2 was a better "value"?
There were a TON of those, but they have all vanished!
In their defense I seem to remember that injury prone running back... whats his name? Oh yeah Adrian Peterson being involved in the debate too.
What ever happened to him? 
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