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This country was founded for the freedom to not be bound to any specific religion and the beliefs of the founding fathers echo that sentiment.
Fixed it for you...
The Declaration of Independance (also created by the founding fathers) openly and unabashedly embraces a "Creator" or God. The trap they did not want to fall into was a "State Sponsored Religion".
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I just want to put in here that David Wood and his Dearborn, MI group are not Christian Evangelists, they are an Anti-Muslim group much like Pam Geller.
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I just want to put in here that David Wood and his Dearborn, MI group are not Christian Evangelists, they are an Anti-Muslim group much like Pam Geller.
And as distasteful as that is...does that mean they are devoid of rights as well???
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I just want to put in here that David Wood and his Dearborn, MI group are not Christian Evangelists, they are an Anti-Muslim group much like Pam Geller.
And as distasteful as that is...does that mean they are devoid of rights as well???
uh, I never said they didn't have rights, but it ads perspective to their intentions.
The KKK has a right to do protest, but if they show up to a MLK festival you can guarantee they aren't there for the food and games.
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So turn that thinking around and place it on the the people trying to build this "community center".....
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A person who buys a piece of property and then faces protests because they want to build a religious establishment in an area not known for its high moral standards does not "put themself in a position".
It's not that simply Ytown.. When buying that piece of property in that location have to look at it from many different angles. That's just if you want to put up an apartment building.. If you want to put up a Mosque which by all accounts is getting plenty of coverage, you have to examine the deal even further..
I mean we are talking NYC for cryin out loud...You aren't buying farm land in Iowa.
Smart people would assume that a firestorm of this type would/could flair up
Armed with that knowledge, if they still go forward with the purchase, I'd say they did so with a very specific agenda in mind. Not that that is something that should stop them from building it. as I said, I support thier right to do so,, but I question the wisdom.
Now we come to what I commented on. The Trump offer to purchase the land and give them a quick buck profit.
If thier goal was to put up a mosque and they had no other agenda and weren't smart enough to foresee the danger... then with the Trump offer, they have an out that allows them to show thier sensitivity to america and make a profit.
To my knowledge,, they haven't accepted the offer by Trump.. That tells me they have a different agenda....
With that idiot in Florida threatening to burn a Koran tomorrow. they may be getting exactly what they want....
And who are we to complain.. We've painted all muslims with a broad brush as terrorists..
Now, they can paint christians as intolerant of other faiths.....
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Maybe they just figured that they could do what every other American can do and buy land, within the rules and laws of the city and state, and use it for a legal purpose .... one that is also protected by the Constitution of the United States.
I guess they were foolish.
I could not care less about them being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or any other denomination. They are Americans. They folowed the law. They did things the right way.
Maybe they got a great deal on the property. Maybe no one else is likely to sell them property given the firestorm over this site. Maybe they just want to be accepted for who they are. Maybe they just want to be able to be considered, at the very least, as important as the strippers on the block.
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I could not care less about them being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or any other denomination. They are Americans. They folowed the law. They did things the right way.
As over the years have Thousands if not Millions of People, Businesses, and Churches who have done the same and been asked to build elsewhwere and/or move by the communities they had bought land in.......what makes these people an exception and beyond reproach to this?????
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I could not care less about them being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or any other denomination. They are Americans. They folowed the law. They did things the right way.
As over the years have Thousands if not Millions of People, Businesses, and Churches who have done the same and been asked to build elsewhwere and/or move by the communities they had bought land in.......what makes these people an exception and beyond reproach to this?????
Could you link to one, because I honestly cannot remember a situation like this.
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Sure, there are radical Muslims. But, that it is just that. A few radical Muslims. Whereas, there is only one type of Christian - Radical Christianity. That is the only thing that you get day in and day out. The line that seperated radical Christianity from simple Christians. It's gone. Long gone.
This is the underlying premise of your argument that is so flawed that there is no way the rest of your argument can even be close to correct... and this is why you are impossible to talk to.
Muslims blow crap up killing thousands of innocent people, they blow up hotels and busses and mosques, they kill children and woman.. nations that practice their laws stone women to death.. and you state that there are just a few radical muslims and spend 8 pages of posts defending the Muslims....
50 Christians state they want to burn some books and you spend 8 pages demonizing all of Christianity...
You have an agenda Charlie, an agenda that is miles away from reality... as far from reality as those you argue with... you make some good points, it's a shame they are wrapped up in so much crap that they are almost impossible to find.
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You have an agenda Charlie, an agenda that is miles away from reality... as far from reality as those you argue with... you make some good points, it's a shame they are wrapped up in so much crap that they are almost impossible to find.
Thank you. I don't hate Christianity per say. Everyone claims I do and yea, sometimes I really go off on Christians. I am just sick and tired of their holier than thou attitude. They act as if Muslims are such horrible people because of a few radicals. Yet, they don't look at themselves.
They don't look at the abortion clinic bombings. They don't look at the domestic terrorists that have plagued this country in the last few decades. They ignore them and act as if Muslims are the only terrorists that have ever existed. Yet they completely ignore the attrocities that Christians have perpetrated throughout our own and world history.
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can we just go with your suggestion from awhile back, create a 'religious cultural center' at the site complete with church, synagogue, mosque and a few other sites so that we have a place for all religions to get together and stop this stupidity and be done with it?
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The only thing that those things should teach you is that WASPS in this country are extremely racist and will always be racist..
Nice Charlie, Where do you get your info? Your Mom & Dad, ( Moonbeam and Scooter )? Your college professor? As much as you hate it learn to live with the fact that this country was started by fat old white guys who were for the most part devout Christians.I know this brings you pain Bubba but learn to live with it.
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Maybe they just figured that they could do what every other American can do and buy land, within the rules and laws of the city and state, and use it for a legal purpose .... one that is also protected by the Constitution of the United States.
I guess they were foolish.
I could not care less about them being Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or any other denomination. They are Americans. They folowed the law. They did things the right way.
Maybe they got a great deal on the property. Maybe no one else is likely to sell them property given the firestorm over this site. Maybe they just want to be accepted for who they are. Maybe they just want to be able to be considered, at the very least, as important as the strippers on the block.
WOW did you go off the wrong end of the boat on that 
If you actually believe that they bought that land without some knowledge of the firestorm it might cause,, then good for you... I just don't believe it.. not for one second..
oh,, and you don't get great deals in that area.. no such thing...
I'd have been willing to give them the benefit of the doubt about thier intentions had they been willing to sell the property for a PROFIT to Trump..
But them not accepting that offer (assuming it's real) tells me that they did this for one purpose only..
As I've said all along, it's within thier rights as I understand them... But again, I question the wisdom of that move if, as they say, they want to live in peace within america.
I think they want to stir stuff up... and they are succeeding..
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can we just go with your suggestion from awhile back, create a 'religious cultural center' at the site complete with church, synagogue, mosque and a few other sites so that we have a place for all religions to get together and stop this stupidity and be done with it?
Actually, that's not an idea that is wholly without merit. I mean, people of all faiths, skin colors and nationalities were killed in the 9/11 attacks.. why don't we band together and AS A GROUP, denounce those that would commit crimes such as this... The center you discribe could be the central point of that effort...
At first blush and without further thought and discussion, I like it.
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Thank you. I don't hate Christianity per say. Everyone claims I do and yea, sometimes I really go off on Christians. I am just sick and tired of their holier than thou attitude. They act as if Muslims are such horrible people because of a few radicals. Yet, they don't look at themselves.
Since you get off on parsing peoples words Charlie.. didn't you just recently state that only a small fraction of Muslims are radicals but that ALL Christians are radicals? That there is NO LINE between radical Christians and non-radical Christians anymore? Isn't that what you said?
Didn't you go off on a tyrade, directed at me, where you took some comments in this thread and extrapolated out what MY PERSONAL FEELINGS toward immigrants, homosexuals, the poor, etc must be? Yes, you did.... In your world I hate them all.. that's what you said about 3 times.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time justifying myself to you because you aren't worth it.. but my son spent a good chunk of Labor Day while his friends were playing football and swimming at the pool at our church.. he was there because our church was sponsoring some homeless families, who happen to be black, and my son was playing with about 6 black homeless kids between the age of 2 and 7. He read to them, helped them with homework, played on the playground with them.. on the way home he had only one question.. could I get him to church later in the week so he could spend another evening with them..... For one week in July he and I worked Campo Mucho at our church which is for hispanic speaking kids, we organized games, played, with them, helped with lunches etc for over 160 hispanic kids (yes, we prayed and sang Christian songs too, it's a small price to pay).. I have no idea how many are legal or illegal, don't care, they are kids..... my son is 14 years old and this is how he chooses to spend his free time, helping the poor, helping hispanics..... so why don't you tell me again about the bigotry and the hatred that I have.. that I pass on.. that the average "radical" Christian has.. there are far more Christians like me, than there are like this lunatic in Florida.. there are far more Christians out there doing good every day than there are fomenting hate.. but you don't see them because you don't want to see them.. they ruin your stereotype... I can hate the effects of illegal immigrants and want to control it without hating the people that are here.... I can hate our welfare system and want to change it and make it more effective without hating those who have fallen on hard time... just as I can hate this global pandemic of Islamaphobia from the left and the right and the walking on eggshells and the living in fear of upsetting a Muslim without hating any individual Muslim.
Charlie you have spent a lot of time explaining the dangers of provoking Islam.... and I believe you think many of the Christians on this board fall into your "radical" sect because some pretty nasty harsh things have been said.. You need to take a step back and look at how YOU are provoking CHRISTIANS on this board... .there is a ton of provoking going on Charlie, you are certainly NOT the only one doing it but you are doing your share. I talk about my faith and faith based issues as often as I can with people who want to hear it and with people who disagree with me and I can say that beyond a shadow of a doubt, you bring out the worst in me.. seems like you bring out the worst in a lot of people on here.. maybe part of that common denominator is you... maybe you are provoking a lot more than you realize.. or maybe you do realize it and that is your goal, I don't know.
There are a select few people on both sides that I sort of expect to get nasty on certain issues.. when you are involved that number goes up considerably and I think you need to consider your contribution to the level of vitriol on these sensitive issues...
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So turn that thinking around and place it on the the people trying to build this "community center".....
I have no idea what your getting at.
I never said the Muslims didn't have the right to build the "Cultural Center". I think they should have seen the backlash coming, but if they want to endure it, all the power to them. Many men and women fought to guarantee their religious freedom.
I never said that church didn't have the right to burn the Quran. I think they should have seen the backlash coming, but if they want to endure it, all the power to them. Many men and women fought to guarantee their right to protest.
I never said David Woods didn't have the right to visit and question the people at the Muslim Festival. I think he was counting on controversy and trouble, and from what I have read on him actually provokes it. But many men and women died to give him that freedom.
I never said the KKK didn't have the right to visit and an MLK Festival or celebration. I think they would be doing so hoping to spark an issue. But many men and women died to give him that freedom.
Do you see where I stand now? While I may not personally agree with someones decision, if they have the right to do so it is not my place to stop them. I may express my right, given by the many that fought for those rights, to oppose it. But in the end if the subject in question is willing to endure any hostility and problems that comes their way, more power to them.
Fighting for what is your right in this country has taken a backseat to being politically correct or appeasing those that oppose, whether their reasons for opposition have merit or not.
Too many let emotion interfere with rational thought, and it cloud's their vision. Now if someone proves any one of these groups intends on deeds detrimental to our country (aka treason), then they forfeit their rights to which I am referring. but until then, they are American citizens that have all the same rights as you and I.
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Since you get off on parsing peoples words Charlie.. didn't you just recently state that only a small fraction of Muslims are radicals but that ALL Christians are radicals? That there is NO LINE between radical Christians and non-radical Christians anymore? Isn't that what you said?
I believe I said that here in the US the only type of Christian you see are the radical Christians.
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Didn't you go off on a tyrade, directed at me, where you took some comments in this thread and extrapolated out what MY PERSONAL FEELINGS toward immigrants, homosexuals, the poor, etc must be? Yes, you did.... In your world I hate them all.. that's what you said about 3 times.
I do not recall that. Maybe I did. I don't remember it. I know that I have said that the Republican Party and Tea Parties demonize immigrants, homosexuals, the poor, and Muslims. When I get angry I say a lot of stuff I don't necessarily mean sometimes. I honestly do not remember every saying that you, yourself are anti (all that). I know I have said that the Republican and Tea Parties have made that their agenda to be anti (all that). If I said that you are racist and hate others I am sorry. I do not remember it.
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No, you really do not see them. The only Christians you see are this "Pastor" in Florida. Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The guy in Oklahoma that protests at funerals and the Televangelists who go off about homosexuals and atheists.
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Yes, I am. I do not deny that. People get under my skin, so I get under their skin. They don't like it, neither do I. Perhaps they should be kinder to me. Because then, I won't get angry and get under their skin.
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beyond a shadow of a doubt, you bring out the worst in me.. seems like you bring out the worst in a lot of people on here..
Perhaps I do. I do not like organized religion. Many people do not agree with me. I don't care if they do not agree with me.
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Since you get off on parsing peoples words Charlie.. didn't you just recently state that only a small fraction of Muslims are radicals but that ALL Christians are radicals? That there is NO LINE between radical Christians and non-radical Christians anymore? Isn't that what you said?
I believe I said that here in the US the only type of Christian you see are the radical Christians.
And based on the places you choose to look, that doesn't surprise me.
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Didn't you go off on a tyrade, directed at me, where you took some comments in this thread and extrapolated out what MY PERSONAL FEELINGS toward immigrants, homosexuals, the poor, etc must be? Yes, you did.... In your world I hate them all.. that's what you said about 3 times.
I do not recall that. Maybe I did. I don't remember it. I know that I have said that the Republican Party and Tea Parties demonize immigrants, homosexuals, the poor, and Muslims. When I get angry I say a lot of stuff I don't necessarily mean sometimes. I honestly do not remember every saying that you, yourself are anti (all that). I know I have said that the Republican and Tea Parties have made that their agenda to be anti (all that).
Let me help...
You are running off the idea that "Muslims" are the bad guy. "Illegal Immigrants" are the bad guy. "Atheists" are the bad guys. "Homosexuals" are the bad guys. So, you already have a list of people you are targeting. Muslims are bad because they are terrorists. Illegal Immigrants are bad because they are looking for a "free ride". Atheists are bad because they undermine "Christian values". Homosexuals are bad because they "undermine the sanctity of marriage".
That is a LOT of hate. You are attracting and playing into the Anti-Muslim, Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Atheist, Anti-Gay crowd. That is dangerous, that is extremely dangerous.
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No, you really do not see them. The only Christians you see are this "Pastor" in Florida. Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The guy in Oklahoma that protests at funerals and the Televangelists who go off about homosexuals and atheists.
I see them but they don't speak for me. I actively denounce them.. that's what I do.
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Yes, I am. I do not deny that. People get under my skin, so I get under their skin. They don't like it, neither do I. Perhaps they should be kinder to me. Because then, I won't get angry and get under their skin.
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Perhaps I do. I do not like organized religion. Many people do not agree with me. I don't care if they do not agree with me.
For a guy who doesn't like organized religion, you spend a hell of a lot of time defending Islam.. 
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You are running off the idea that "Muslims" are the bad guy. "Illegal Immigrants" are the bad guy. "Atheists" are the bad guys. "Homosexuals" are the bad guys. So, you already have a list of people you are targeting. Muslims are bad because they are terrorists. Illegal Immigrants are bad because they are looking for a "free ride". Atheists are bad because they undermine "Christian values". Homosexuals are bad because they "undermine the sanctity of marriage".
That is a LOT of hate. You are attracting and playing into the Anti-Muslim, Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Atheist, Anti-Gay crowd. That is dangerous, that is extremely dangerous.
Right.. you aren't judgmental at all.
See, I said "running off". As in a political platform. I didn't say that you are. But rather that your political party is. If you took it as a literal "You" I apologize. But, my intent was directed at your political parties (Republican and Tea Party).
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I am stuck in the middle of a fight between Christians and Muslims. The honorable thing is to try to break up the fight. Muslims are not provoking Christians. You may perceive it as such, but that does not make it so. They are exercizing their right to build a Cultural Center to improve the already strained relations in New York. Strained not because of the terrorist attack, but strained because politicans are running off of hatred.
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See, I said "running off". As in a political platform. I didn't say that you are. But rather that your political party is. If you took it as a literal "You" I apologize. But, my intent was directed at your political parties (Republican and Tea Party).
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and because you perceive it differently makes it no more or less so... Have they made a single concession? Have they offered ANYTHING that could be construed as an olive branch to reach an amicable resolution to this with the HUGE number of Americans that are opposed to it?
This is what we have so far... If some lunatic burns the Koran in podunk Florida, Muslims will have no choice but to kill you. And as the Imam said of the mosque, if we change locations now Muslims will respond violently and they will have no choice but to kill you. So I guess you are right, they aren't provoking.. they are just threatening... Evidently Jeff Dunhams puppet really does speak for Islam..
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Yeah .... I guess that a religious organization moving into an area rife with strip bars and God knows what else assuming that they might not have a huge fight ahead of them is going off the deep end. Remember, this isn't ground zero. This isn't some sparkiling new part of the city, rebuilt as a shining monument to the best in huimanity, and in solemn remembrance of those who lost their lives that day. Again .... this is not ground zero. As far as I can tell ..... this area wasn't even touched by the devestation of that horrific day. So, given that, just how far away do we keep Muslims from "hallowed ground"? Do we let "them" work in any of the businesses that might be built someday in a new Twin Towers site? Maybe not ..... after all, we wouldn't want to offend someone who might happen to walk by and see someone who looks like a Muslim. This whole thing is an incredible example of religious and racial prejudice that is as distatsteful and appalling as anything could be. As far as Pete's links ..... unless I am wrong .... this Mosque site already has their building permits in hand ... or was approved for them. This is simply a case of people saying to one group of people "we don't want your kind here" .... and frankly, I hoped and wished that we had grown and become better people than that. I guess I was wrong. 
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If I remember correctly DC reported in an earlier thread that the building that used to be on this site was a Burlington Coat Factory that was destroyed due to a large hunk of the landing gear of one of the planes.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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It was my understanding that it was not destroyed but that a big enough chunk of landing gear from one of the planes (they said which one but I forget, not that its important) had come through the roof to render it uninhabitable.
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We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Yes, I am. I do not deny that. People get under my skin, so I get under their skin. They don't like it, neither do I. Perhaps they should be kinder to me. Because then, I won't get angry and get under their skin.
Interesting thought process you have there.......it's not your fault, it's the fault of others. Got it. That helps to explain a lot of your posts.
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Perhaps I do. I do not like organized religion. Many people do not agree with me. I don't care if they do not agree with me.
And many, charlie, do not care if you agree with them.
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Here's america charlie. Whether you like it or not - believe it or not - THIS is what America is: http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/10/ramadan.roadtrip.folo/index.html?hpt=C1See, America is not what we get on the news - America is not racist, nor religiously segregated. What you catch on the news is designed to inflame - and you fall into that trap 100%. If a muslim, or a jew, or a hindu, or a budhist - an atheist - a mexican, a romanian, etc.......was driving past my house, needed help, I'd give them all the help I could. My door would be open to them - spend the night if need be. Here's food. But, somehow, you seem to want to call me a radical Christian, a racist.........and basically ignorant. And it shows your true colors.
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Reminded me of a funny story Arch.. last spring I was driving from Wilmington to Raleigh (flat interstate the entire way, most boring 2 hour drive ever).. so as I'm getting closer to Raleigh I see this redneck truck pulled off the side of the road.. and I use the term "redneck" with the utmost affection.. a bit banged up, jacked up a bit, hunting and fishing stickers on the back window.. good stuff. As I get closer I see the two rednecks in front of the truck, looks like they are working on a car.. get closer, they are changing a flat tire on a minivan. At this point I see the torn jeans, the boots, the t-shirts, the baseball hats, the Copenhagen rings in the pocket.. these two guys defined the term "good ol' boys".. As I pass the minivan that they are working on I look over and on the guardrail sit two women and two kids.. the women are in the full burqa with the face exposed (not sure if that has a special name or not).. and the two little boys are goofing off... while the two rednecks are fixing their car... so I know what it's like out there arch.. I'm not saying that some Muslims probably don't hit some nasty intolerant people from time to time but for the most part.. Americans are still the most accepting people in the world, bar none.
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whoever wrote this is obviously a person with a deep understanding of human nature and has the gift of the ability to influence people...
Yup... he sure was all that, wasn't he?
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Yup. Too bad, too... it's the "more" part that puts his name in the wrong column in history's ledger.
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I am stuck in the middle of a fight between Christians and Muslims. The honorable thing is to try to break up the fight. Muslims are not provoking Christians. You may perceive it as such, but that does not make it so. They are exercizing their right to build a Cultural Center to improve the already strained relations in New York. Strained not because of the terrorist attack, but strained because politicans are running off of hatred.
Lol, here we go again, captain talk out of both sides of his mouth. So muslims building a mosque on ground zero= practicing rights and Americans should ignore it. Pastor burning books=antagonizing the poor muslims. Move out the country, please and thank you. It would be the honorable thing to do.
Secondly, get over yourself Charlie. You don't get under anyones skin, chill with giving yourself so much credit. Yes people get aggravated because your arguments always flip flop, go off topic, and you constantly contradict yourself. Might as well argue with someone who belongs in a padded room. You really don't stand for anything, you simply are anti american, which would explain why there is so many holes in your contradicting arguments.
By the way, no it absolutely didn't hurt when you told me to put a sheet on my head and something about the KKK. Why would a false claim bother me? I actually giggled a little. The reason you were bothered by my statement (which you already admitted) is cause it held some truth.
Haaahaaa at all Christians being extremist. You're simply awesome.
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Yeah .... I guess that a religious organization moving into an area rife with strip bars and God knows what else assuming that they might not have a huge fight ahead of them is going off the deep end.
Remember, this isn't ground zero. This isn't some sparkiling new part of the city, rebuilt as a shining monument to the best in huimanity, and in solemn remembrance of those who lost their lives that day.
Again .... this is not ground zero. As far as I can tell ..... this area wasn't even touched by the devestation of that horrific day. So, given that, just how far away do we keep Muslims from "hallowed ground"? Do we let "them" work in any of the businesses that might be built someday in a new Twin Towers site? Maybe not ..... after all, we wouldn't want to offend someone who might happen to walk by and see someone who looks like a Muslim.
This whole thing is an incredible example of religious and racial prejudice that is as distatsteful and appalling as anything could be.
As far as Pete's links ..... unless I am wrong .... this Mosque site already has their building permits in hand ... or was approved for them.
This is simply a case of people saying to one group of people "we don't want your kind here" .... and frankly, I hoped and wished that we had grown and become better people than that. I guess I was wrong.
the strip bars being there mean nothing to me.. If I'm a preacher, I'm going to put my church right across the street from strip bar and try to change sinners into saints LOL
Really,, are you telling me that they don't have another agenda,, that they aren't trying to stir the pot?
Serious,, is that what your really telling me you think?
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the strip bars being there mean nothing to me.. If I'm a preacher, I'm going to put my church right across the street from strip bar and try to change sinners into saints LOL
Really,, are you telling me that they don't have another agenda,, that they aren't trying to stir the pot?
Serious,, is that what your really telling me you think?
So what if they have an agenda...
This country was founded on the religious freedom to worship however you want to, it's not just for christians. Are we now going to start to pick and choose when and where certain faiths can practice that freedom? 
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the strip bars being there mean nothing to me.. If I'm a preacher, I'm going to put my church right across the street from strip bar and try to change sinners into saints LOL
Really,, are you telling me that they don't have another agenda,, that they aren't trying to stir the pot?
Serious,, is that what your really telling me you think?
So what if they have an agenda...
This country was founded on the religious freedom to worship however you want to, it's not just for christians. Are we now going to start to pick and choose when and where certain faiths can practice that freedom?
Start would infer it hasn't already been that way...that would be a mistaken assumption.
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While you're absolutely correct, why does that make it ok to keep doing it?
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While you're absolutely correct, why does that make it ok to keep doing it?
That goes with the assumption that it is always wrong to do so, which may be a big leap...
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Right or wrong has absolutely zero place in the discussion. Its either constitutional or unconstitutional. The law of the land is black and white and if people don't like it they don't just get to not follow it. We have lawful ways of getting it changed if that is what the people decide they want.
"All I know is, as long as I led the Southeastern Conference in scoring, my grades would be fine." - Charles Barkley
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