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I was never excited, so I'm really not angry.
yeah, thats me as well. More disappointed. I thought they had to win this game, and then follow it up with a win against KC. Confidence brings more wins and maybe something good. The reality of it was with a loss to the lowly bucs, we would be screwed for another year. And that is what it looks like now.
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Honestly, with the looming lock out next year and the realism that we are not a playoff caliber team, I am was just taking a wait and see approach. However, after the body of work I saw today, I have to say my expexcations have lowered significantly, so not very excited to watch the same old movie again. 
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I look forward to my victory meal at the Blue Pointe.
Better eat a big breakfest and lunch at tailgaitng Peen....
LOL.....I eat there anyway.
I have to eat anyway, so I might as well make it an agreeable meal.
I have lost 40 lbs since the end of last season, so i am always looking for calorie reduction....and broiled fish and steamed veggies is a good option.
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j/c FWIW, my level of excitement for the Chiefs game was at about a -4 immediately after the game yesterday. As of right now, I'm at about a 7. By Thursday, I'll be at a 10 again. No matter what, I love my Browns and I'll continue to support them. Am I part of the problem? Yeah, maybe. But, I'm okay with that. 
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Honestly, with the looming lock out next year and the realism that we are not a playoff caliber team, I am was just taking a wait and see approach.
I hear you. I'll ALWAYS follow the team and hope for the best, but after last season I vowed not to give this franchise so much as a penny of my money. You won't see me in that stadium til there are 2 winning seasons in a row. Lerner needs to go from concerned to downright frightened.
And yesterday hurt. I've always been one of those here in C-Bus who was proud to go out to a bar and watch them when they're not on TV. This is probably the 2nd or 3rd (or tied for 2nd or 3rd) best team we've had since the return, and I'm just now saying the heck w/ it. If my cable doesn't show them, then I'll skip it and find out what happened on this site. I'm not even wasting a little gas and beer money on this garbage any more.
And the thought of another terrible season followed by a year of no football. Just awful . . .
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At this time every year I talk myself into getting excited. I look at all the positive things that have transpired. I want to believe in the team and the coach.
I have been "The" royal fan.
Then reality strikes hard and fast. Since 1999 we have lost 10 of 11 opening games. Right off the bat 0-1 and the season becomes a struggle just to get ahead of 500.
One thing is crystal clear: teams who are consistently competing for division crowns have outstanding QB's. Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Warner etc.
You have a franchise QB most likely you have a winning season.
The Browns have had a revolving door at QB. When we get a guy who can lead a team and play the position at a high level then the excitement will truly begin.
I was hopeful because of pre-season play that Delhomme would be a great transition QB. Mentor a young guy and do so by winning. Kind of like Warner did.
But Jake Delhomme is no Kurt Warner. He is what he is. A high risk player that has a history of turning the ball over at critical times.
Time to curb the enthusiasm. I want to win - badly. I sure all us do.
But I am sick of looking at what we have at QB and hoping the guy works out. Maybe Colt will become the man. Maybe not. If we need to lose badly again to be in the top five of the draft to guy the right QB then let's get it over with and do so.
We have to solve the QB position. Delhomme might win a few games but he is not the guy to hang a future on.
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I said in the season prediction thread that Tampa was a must win for a decent season. (i.e. 6-8 wins). But if we can't beat Tampa or KC next week then we are in for a loooooong season with Baltimore, Cincy, Atlanta, Pitt, NO and NE all in a row. Really sucks that we lost this game even though I feel we are a better team than them but I bleed Orange and Brown so I'll still be watching every Sunday.
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One thing is crystal clear: teams who are consistently competing for division crowns have outstanding QB's. Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Warner etc.
You have a franchise QB most likely you have a winning season.
The Browns have had a revolving door at QB. When we get a guy who can lead a team and play the position at a high level then the excitement will truly begin.
Yep, I said that somewhere on here as well. Until you have a premier QB, your team will be average at best. We have decent/good WRs, TEs and RBs. But unless you have 'the guy' at QB, it really doesn't matter and we've proven that since 1999.
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I said in the season prediction thread that Tampa was a must win for a decent season. (i.e. 6-8 wins). But if we can't beat Tampa or KC next week then we are in for a loooooong season with Baltimore, Cincy, Atlanta, Pitt, NO and NE all in a row. Really sucks that we lost this game even though I feel we are a better team than them but I bleed Orange and Brown so I'll still be watching every Sunday.
Yeah, if we start 0-2... Big trouble awaits us quickly.
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If we start 0-2, stick a fork in the season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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If we start 0-2, stick a fork in the season.
Not that it's a fair comparison (actually, not even close),, But,, Dallas lost 2 games to start the season and went on to win the superbowl.. The year was 1993 if you are at all interested.
Point being, the season isn't over until it's over..... Just a thought.
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And we now return you to your regularly scheduled reality..... We are not that Dallas team.
We are a medium-talent team playing below it's skill level and we just lost to what was just about the worst team in the league last season who made far fewer upgrades than we did.
If WE start 0-2, stick a fork in this season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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If we start 0-2 ...
Baltimore
Atlanta
Cincy
Pittsburgh
New Orleans
Bye ... as in we could realistically be 0-7 ...so Byebye Mangini
I admit we could all be singing a new tune depending on the adjustments we make for this weeks game ... but if we can beat tampa or kansas city ... you cant look me in the eye and tell me cincy baltimore or pittsburgh will be a win ... or new orleans ... or even a fairly tough atlanta ...
and if that isnt bad enough the next two games would be new england and the jets ...
Ill wait until this weekend to go further .. but an 0-2 team that is showing it cant compete and win at the bottom level is a team that in all seriousness could be 0-9 by the time we get to the "easy" part of the schedule (cuz this sure cant be the easy part...)
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One thing is crystal clear: teams who are consistently competing for division crowns have outstanding QB's. Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Warner etc.
You have a franchise QB most likely you have a winning season.
It's a passing league and those who want 600 pounds of guys in the backfield and 4 yards and a cloud of dust are fooling themselves.. it's a passing league. You have to be able to score and you have to be able to score in a hurry and from anywhere on the field...
Look at last year...
top 10 passing teams...
1 Houston Texans (9-7)*
2 Indianapolis Colts (14-2)
3 New England Patriots (10-6)
4 New Orleans Saints (13-3)
5 San Diego Chargers(13-3)
6 Dallas Cowboys (11-5)
7 Green Bay Packers (11-5)
8 Minnesota Vikings (12-4)
9 Pittsburgh Steelers (9-7)*
10 Philadelphia Eagles (11-5)
8 playoff teams, 6 of the 8 division winners.. Every team over .500 with an average wins of 11.3 (and that doesn't count the teams on there that shut it down and lost games at the end because they had nothing to play for)
But the top 10 rushing teams were...
1 New York Jets (9-7)
2 Tennessee Titans (8-8)
3 Carolina Panthers (8-8)
4 Miami Dolphins (7-9)
5 Baltimore Ravens (9-7)
6 New Orleans Saints (13-3)
7 Dallas Cowboys (11-5)
8 Cleveland Browns (5-11)
9 Cincinnati Bengals (10-6)
10 Jacksonville Jaguars (7-9)
5 playoff teams, 3 division winners... Half (5) of the teams are .500 or worse with an average wins of 8.7... (and I think only 1 of these teams was able to shut it down at the end.. the Saints).....
Now aside from the Saints and Cowboys who appear on both lists, which teams would y'all rather the Browns be like? The Patriots, Colts, Vikings, Packers, Chargers.. or the Dolphins, Titans, Jaguars, Panthers.... or Browns? It's a no-brainer...
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And we now return you to your regularly scheduled reality..... We are not that Dallas team.
What part of me saying that it's wasn't even close to a fair comparison did you miss?
I know we aren't he 1993 Cowboys..
BUT, no way is the season over if we go 0-2... At least not for me, I only expected them to win 7 games anyway..
What cracks me up is guys that thought we'd be lucky to win 5 games, they rip the team apart after a loss when they are doing exactly as they predict...
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If it isn't a fair comparison, then why bother making the comparison??
They didn't lose two to two of the worst teams in the league... in fact, one of the losses was to the AFC Champion Bills which they had to then beat to win the Super Bowl.
Yes, it IS over if we go 0-2. Oh, there'll be the weekly hope and optimists and watching for improvement, but there is NO WAY we even make it to 8-8 if we start 0-2.... and don't give me any silly mathematics lesson.
Browns is the Browns
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What cracks me up is guys that thought we'd be lucky to win 5 games, they rip the team apart after a loss when they are doing exactly as they predict...
Actually those of us that expected little, did count TB as a WIN. When I thought they might win 3-5 games, TB was one of those winners... along w/ KC next week. Remove those 2 wins and not sure where we can expect a win next - just some random upset I would guess.
So there is a lot to be said when the team you expected to beat ends up beating you.
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Yes, it IS over if we go 0-2. Oh, there'll be the weekly hope and optimists and watching for improvement, but there is NO WAY we even make it to 8-8 if we start 0-2.... and don't give me any silly mathematics lesson.
Depends on what your expectations are.. if your expectations were to make the playoffs, then this season was probably over long ago.. like years ago... if your expectations are to win 8 or 9 games and be respectable then yes, if we go 0-2 against arguably our two weakest opponents, then that too is probably not a reality anymore... If your expectation is to win 4 or 5 games then we probably can lose the first 2 and still achieve that goal but the wind will be sucked out of MY sails if we start 0-2 against the Bucs and Chiefs... So for my own personal level of interest, this is sort of a must-win... 
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If it isn't a fair comparison, then why bother making the comparison??
So that I could demonstrate clearly that is isn't over... Dallas was a team that was expected to win the superbowl that year, they were a favorite.. yet, they started out 0-2..
The Browns are a team that not much is expected of and if they start out 0-2, they are merely meeting expectations..
Hey, we all know how it goes,, couple of years back, we were in the middle of a horrible year,, we beat the Giants who went on to win the Superbowl...
at 0-2,,, it's just not over.. (although I admit it will feel a whole lot like it)
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One thing is crystal clear: teams who are consistently competing for division crowns have outstanding QB's. Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Warner etc.
You have a franchise QB most likely you have a winning season.
It's a passing league and those who want 600 pounds of guys in the backfield and 4 yards and a cloud of dust are fooling themselves.. it's a passing league. You have to be able to score and you have to be able to score in a hurry and from anywhere on the field...
Exactly. As much as I would love to have a fantastic running game win consistently on the ground with great defense supporting, it's pretty clear now that nowadays a great ground game is usually going to come with a respectable passing game and a franchise QB at the helm. This has been the downfall of the team more than anything since the return. Without a franchise QB and in a pass-happy league, we've been doomed to mediocrity before the kickoff even started.
We can still have that great running game some day but until we get the stud QB who can lead the team and win games in the air as well, we're going to be on the outside looking in. If another terrible season this year puts us in position to get that guy, then so be it. I'm willing to deal with it if it means we finally get the pieces to the winning formula.
Oh... and to the original post, I'm still excited because I love this team, but I realize that we're going to be terrible again. I'm excited more about the future and how amazing a winning Browns team will be more than anything.
We're... we're good?
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If this teamstarts out at 0-2,we can look to Phil Savage for inspiration "I wish we could fast forward thru this season".
That turned out well
What you are missing here is that for those of us who expected few wins,the seaason was over before it ever started.The browns do have an identity and do have tradition,unfortunately both are about losing.
This team is bad,but not that putrid to lose to both TB and KC.
They'll win Sunday.Then we can go back to proclaiming every player and coach as great.
For one week,at least.
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I'm excited for every game. Somewhere between 8-10.
My expectations always go like this:
1st game - 10
2nd - 6
3rd - 4
4-16 - 2
I'm the idiot in my family that predicts at the beginning of every season that this year will be different and we will win.
It is just amazing how I am wrong every year. It is statistically harder to be consistantly in the bottom 10th of the league than it is have some good in with the bad. It takes a concerted effort to see this type of miserable consistancy over the course of a decade.
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So that I could demonstrate clearly that is isn't over...
If not demonstrating that ,and having it as clear as mud were the goal - you hit the nail on the head
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Hey, we all know how it goes,, couple of years back, we were in the middle of a horrible year,, we beat the Giants who went on to win the Superbowl...
And that is the odd anomaly bracketed by consistency in losing. It was one fun game in a miserable failure of a season; a win that did nothing except raise false hopes and expectations because we were all stupid enough to think "holy crap, they did it once, they can do it again".
If we lose two weeks in a row to two of the worst teams in the league that haven't improved all that much over last season, that squarely pegs us at the bottom of the heap as one of the worst teams in the league and NOT a middle-tier team trying to ascend to the level of mediocrity... e.g. It's over.
Browns is the Browns
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If this teamstarts out at 0-2,we can look to Phil Savage for inspiration "I wish we could fast forward thru this season".
That turned out well
What you are missing here is that for those of us who expected few wins,the seaason was over before it ever started.The browns do have an identity and do have tradition,unfortunately both are about losing.
This team is bad,but not that putrid to lose to both TB and KC.
They'll win Sunday.Then we can go back to proclaiming every player and coach as great.
For one week,at least.
Yes this team IS that bad...I told folks we would lose to Tampa and folks ridiculed me.
i'll sayit now..this team loses to KC
KC has a better QB, and they have some playmakers, better WR, they also got a game changer in Eric Berry back there..
Eric Berry meeting Jake Delhomme = INT frenzy for Berry, Berry is just going to love old Jakie too...he will be a big fan of Jake's 
You have got to laugh at this point, If this team does not by somehow figure out some miracle way to beat KC sunday, then we may not have another chance at a win until we plya The Bills week 14...that is if Spiller hasn't went on a tear by then
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I think people who expected things to be clicking on all cylinders have only themselves to blame for their disapointment. When you look at it big picture, we had very little to any talent to speak of last year.
Yet somehow we managed to win at the end of the year.
This year we had a huge turnover again on the roster but no time for them to play together for things to gel. So we will see just what we saw. The tail of two halves.
But once again, as the season goes on, we have better talent this year, more vets were brought in by someone who actually has a proven track record. So I feel all the gloomy Guses are just as pre-mature writing this team off as they were pre-maturely building them up.
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither are franchise teams.
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I mostly agree with you.
Some of that stuff, though, was REALLY bad. I would've thought they knew better than to put that bum St. Claire in at RT. He got abused. Why were we throwing so much? We're a running team, so we should be living and dying by the run. I'd rather run and go nowhere, than pass and go nowhere/backward. Especially with the people we've picked up this offseason.
I'm not saying Jake is a bum. He's a temporary upgrade, but you can't make him chuck the ball around for the whole game. He's going to turn the ball over, so you gotta run the ball alot.
I dunno.
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If it isn't a fair comparison, then why bother making the comparison??
So that I could demonstrate clearly that is isn't over... Dallas was a team that was expected to win the superbowl that year, they were a favorite.. yet, they started out 0-2..
The Browns are a team that not much is expected of and if they start out 0-2, they are merely meeting expectations..
Hey, we all know how it goes,, couple of years back, we were in the middle of a horrible year,, we beat the Giants who went on to win the Superbowl...
at 0-2,,, it's just not over.. (although I admit it will feel a whole lot like it)
So it's not over, but you feel like it could be over at 0-2. But, a Superbowl winning team 17 years ago started 0-2 and was a favorite, but you aren't saying we are a Superbowl favorite, but we beat a Superbowl winning team a few years back and we still had a horrible year. What a clear demonstration of making a point.
What on earth is even your point??? Any given sunday?? Keep expectations low??
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I think people who expected things to be clicking on all cylinders have only themselves to blame for their disapointment. When you look at it big picture, we had very little to any talent to speak of last year.
Yet somehow we managed to win at the end of the year.
This year we had a huge turnover again on the roster but no time for them to play together for things to gel. So we will see just what we saw. The tail of two halves.
But once again, as the season goes on, we have better talent this year, more vets were brought in by someone who actually has a proven track record. So I feel all the gloomy Guses are just as pre-mature writing this team off as they were pre-maturely building them up.
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither are franchise teams.
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I disagree. Why shouldn't we expect them to be clicking on day one? Other teams can do it. And even if they don't, they can still win. We heard all offseason about how great it was that the whole coaching staff remained intact. We saw all preseason how Jake was making great decisions and how disciplined the team was. Why shouldn't we expect them to be ready?
The truth is that they were clicking on all cylinders at the beginning of the game (well, at least most cylinders) and then Jake made a retarded decision and started to crumble. When Hillis fumbled at the start of the second half, even though we were up four points, the team wilted. It lost its confidence and it fell apart.
We should expect better than that. There is no excuse for it for teams that are going to be winners. They acted like losers when faced with adversity and its disappointing.
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not to be a pessimist.. but the Chiefs beat the Chargers..
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If we start 0-2, stick a fork in the season.
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No doubt. That is why i was saying last week was a must win.
Now we are at a critical juncture. Not only must we win, we need to win fairly big.
Then we need to go in to baltimore and steal that game.
That is the only way to erase last Sundays loss.
I know many people think emotion doesn't play as big a roll in pro football as it does in college, but it seemed to me Tampa wanted the game more.
If any saw the ravens last night....tell me they weren't fired up.
I am really looking forward to the season and looking forward to some victory meals after the game. I usually hit the Blue Pointe. I only do it if we win.
If we don't, I head to the car and head to my get out of town hotel....the Red Roof out in Middleburg Hts, and end up eating at Damons, which I think is a fairly crappy place.
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After watching last night, I saw we weren't the only team making mistakes. The Jets, a supposed contender, had fumbles and penalties galore.
The Ravens didn't look all that dominant either, neither did Pitts or Cincy.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I have to say, I didn't really see a team that truly did dominate. Maybe a team like the Seahawks.
Speaking of which, think about how the 49ers must feel. They were predicted to win the NFC West and they just got plain spanked!
And the Jets! Their offense looked unbelievably horrible, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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And the Jets! Their offense looked unbelievably horrible, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
shhhh........you aren't allowed to say anything negative about the Jets offense and their Sanchize QB. Otherwise you might inadvertantly say that Mangini did the right thing trading down and getting Alex Mack. That just wouldn't be allowed here 
#gmstrong
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and end up eating at Damons, which I think is a fairly crappy place.
Wow Peen! A browns loss followed by a meal at Damons...talk about punishing yourself.
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jc. It's so bad, even our opponents fans aren't coming to the smack shack. Years past, it would be flooded with posts after a loss like that. Here it is, two days after the game and nothing.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir
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and end up eating at Damons, which I think is a fairly crappy place.
Wow Peen! A browns loss followed by a meal at Damons...talk about punishing yourself.
I have heard a lot of people rave about Damon's, get their ribs.
I just don't think it is that good. Maybe because I have lived in the south for 40 or so years and spent much of my younger years visiting for the summer with my Mama who went to see her parents in Alabama.
Damons ribs don't stack up on my meter.
They be good on the northern meter, but they don't stack up on the Tennesse, Alabama meter....just being honest.....I buy ribs on the parking lot of a hardware store that beat those by leaps and bounds....
Don't worry about the hardware comment....really....a guy has a smoke house where he leases a corner of a Ace Hardware.....he is good.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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Peen...I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. I agree with you. Damons is just flat out bad food. I was just wondering why punish yourself even more if the browns lose.
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Peen...I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. I agree with you. Damons is just flat out bad food. I was just wondering why punish yourself even more if the browns lose.
Ahh,,,,,got ya!
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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