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Don't get me wrong. I have no idea if he'd be a good fit here or not. Just throwing it out there for discussion sake. But, I will say, I can't believe he didn't play a single snap in their opener. www.KFFL.comPackers | A.J. Hawk open to trade Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:58:26 -0700 Green Bay Packers LB A.J. Hawk, who did not play a single snap in Week 1, would be willing to be traded if it meant more playing time, according to Rob Demovsky, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette. "A.J. is a pro's pro and wants to do his part to help the team win, and his first priority is to be the best Packer he can," Hawk's agent Mike McCartney said. "But if some team called and wanted him to play on all three downs, I think he'd be excited about that."
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he looked like he would be very good his rookie year for GB. played well in their 4-3 and made some good plays.
then, he never fully adjusted to the 3-4 and just hasn't been the same (at all). borderline terrible the few times i saw GB last year in fact.
so, since we run the 3-4...no thanks.
i'd love for him to get traded to StL to be united with Lauranitis. Didn't work for Carpenter, but Hawk has more skill than him.
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He was credited with a tackle.. was that on special teams?
This is weird.. he has started every game since he got there and I thought he was fairly productive.. is he in the coaches doghouse for some reason? Did they draft some studs to replace him? How do you go from 4 years of 100+ tackles to can't even get on the field...
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Maybe we can do a 5 for 1 deal? 
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LINK After a training camp practice on Aug. 10, Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy heaped praise on A.J. Hawk, saying he was having the best camp of his NFL career. A month later, Hawk didn’t play a single snap from scrimmage for the Packers in their season-opening victory at Philadelphia. After starting 62 of 65 games in his Packers’ career, the former first-round draft pick appears to have reached the point where his best opportunity to be a key contributor on defense might be with another team. There’s still more than a month before the NFL’s Oct. 19 trading deadline and although Hawk’s agent, Mike McCartney, stressed that Hawk remains committed to the team that drafted him fifth overall in 2006, he indicated that Hawk would be willing to change teams if it meant more playing time. “A.J. is a pro’s pro and wants to do his part to help the team win, and his first priority is to be the best Packer he can,” McCartney said when reached by phone on Wednesday. “But if some team called and wanted him to play on all three downs, I think he’d be excited about that.” The fifth-year pro has not lost his spot in the Packers’ base 3-4 defense and remains a starter by definition, but he didn’t play from scrimmage against the Eagles because defensive coordinator Dom Capers used only his sub packages with five and six defensive backs. Despite his strong training camp this summer, Capers opted to play Hawk only in the base for the second straight season with Brandon Chillar replacing Hawk in the sub packages. Hawk’s position coach, Winston Moss, said on Monday that there were some packages in which he penciled in Hawk to play against the Eagles but said, “we never got around to it,” and “we decided to keep the same rhythm going.” Early in the preseason, it appeared Hawk’s role might expand when the Packers moved Chillar to outside linebacker. Hawk was then in competition with Desmond Bishop for one of the inside linebacker spots in the nickel. He had a strong performance in the Family Night scrimmage on Aug. 7, when he had a sack, a tackle for a loss and was solid in coverage. He followed that up with a solid string of practices that prompted McCarthy’s praise. “I would think A.J. is probably having his best camp in his time here,” McCarthy said on Aug. 10. “I’ve liked his approach. His conditioning is at the highest level. He’s always been a highly conditioned athlete, and I think he’s taken it to another level this year, and I think he’s been very productive out here. He’s put together some big plays, and I thought he definitely stood out in the scrimmage.” But after a couple of weeks, the Packers ditched the idea of playing Chillar outside, which meant Hawk and Bishop were no longer competing for a spot in the nickel. Bishop went back to playing on special teams, and Hawk was back to playing only in the base. The Packers didn’t ask Hawk to take a pay cut despite his $4.623 million salary this season. Hawk has one more year remaining on his contract and with a base salary of $10 million for 2011, it’s unlikely that he will be back with the Packers next season, at least not at that price. Getting another team to take on Hawk’s contract in a trade might be tough, but there are ways for an interested team to restructure the deal. McCartney said the Packers have not talked to him about trading his client, nor was he aware of any efforts to do so at this point. However, the Packers might be in the market for a running back, and could use Hawk as trade bait to acquire one after losing starter Ryan Grant for the season because of an ankle injury. Their opponent on Sunday, the Buffalo Bills, might be willing to part ways with former first-round draft pick Marshawn Lynch, and the Bills need help at linebacker because starter Paul Posluszny is out indefinitely with a knee injury.
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Maybe we can do a 5 for 1 deal?
Hawk, Matthews, Rodgers, Finley, and Jennings for Pashos?
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They do need a RB...
Maybe use Davis as some bait if we don't plan to use Davis?
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Maybe we can do a 5 for 1 deal?
Hawk, Matthews, Rodgers, Finley, and Jennings for Pashos?
Lol - was thinking unloading some our stash of LBs.
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However, the Packers might be in the market for a running back, and could use Hawk as trade bait to acquire one after losing starter Ryan Grant for the season because of an ankle injury. Their opponent on Sunday, the Buffalo Bills, might be willing to part ways with former first-round draft pick Marshawn Lynch, and the Bills need help at linebacker because starter Paul Posluszny is out indefinitely with a knee injury.
This would make a lot of sense.
Along those lines, can Posluszny stay healthy ever?
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We should get this guy! Hawk is a good LB he is better then anyone we got, The Packers just haven't use him right.
Jerome Harrison is in the last year of his contract.
We should ship them Harrison + a 4rd to Packer Land for Hawk and a 5th or another player.
We can go with James Davis from here on out..he is younger and signed longer anyays...face it..Harrison is not the longterm answer to our Rb question here, however Hawk IS and CAN BE a big piece to fix our D for a very long time.
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I guess we could use another slow linebacker...
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This just goes to show you how the league has evolved into a passing 1st league.....Hard to believe GB played the in tier game in the nickel or dime. I thought he looked pretty good in pre-season against us. How about we trade them Barton straight up. No!  trade for Davis
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Hawk’s position coach, Winston Moss, said on Monday that there were some packages in which he penciled in Hawk to play against the Eagles but said, “we never got around to it,” and “we decided to keep the same rhythm going.”
Nice lie..That just means he doesn't make a difference..no starter is going to ride the bench a entire game because you want to keep a certain package on the field for 4 quarters..yeah right..they didn't miss his skills at all..and in their mind he isn't loaded with that.
Now me..I never thought he was all that at OSU..solid maybe but no stud.
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Hawk’s position coach, Winston Moss, said on Monday that there were some packages in which he penciled in Hawk to play against the Eagles but said, “we never got around to it,” and “we decided to keep the same rhythm going.”
Nice lie..That just means he doesn't make a difference..no starter is going to ride the bench a entire game because you want to keep a certain package on the field for 4 quarters..yeah right..they didn't miss his skills at all..and in their mind he isn't loaded with that.
Now me..I never thought he was all that at OSU..solid maybe but no stud.
I'm pretty sure that GB did play in a nickel, which would mean that Hawk would not play.
He cannot cover a TE.
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I watched some of that game..Philly wasn't using 3 wideouts every offensive snap..the fact that the LB coach said "There were some packages they were going to use Hawk in tells me all I need to know..for that matter most LB's can't cover TE's anyway..but they still are in.
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Davis might be a good dangle; we could throw in St Eclair or some other O . . . 
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First of all know he wouldn't be the key piece on any defense. Dom Capers knows defense and if he was a stud he would be in there. Secondly you say make the deal Heckert as if your made up scenario is on the table and all Heckert has to do is rubber stamp it.
I'm sorry but posts like these are why people don't take you seriously.
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Did you read the title of the thread? This is about AJ Hawk. Hawk is open to a trade, there's no mention of Matthews.
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I don't follow your logic.
He plays well for a while, then GB switches to a 3-4, and he can't sniff the field. So that means he could do well here?
The guy is misused because he's in a 3-4. Not much else to it.
Edit: Woops, meant to respond to KOB.
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Not sure I'm following you. I understand he had some decent years but he isn't anabsolute stud, and since he is a scheme LB and we run the wrong scheme it's a terrible terrible fit.
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Replied to the wrong person, my bad.
Counterpoint: Even though he's obviously struggling with the 3-4, and there's no indication that will change, the kid has talent. Is it worth trying to tap that talent, even though he has a history of struggling in our system? We have many warm bodies at LB, but no real studs. This guy has shown he can be a stud.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we could probably do a lot worse than picking up this guy.
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Yeah, it's really hard for me to see him playing for another team.
I would have preferred we drafted him, but then we might not have Mack, but with all the picks we had we might have been able to still have moved up to get Mack. 20/20 *sigh*
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I mean he may be a slight upgrade but not a fixture of our defense like Knight of Brown made it seem.
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I mean he may be a slight upgrade but not a fixture of our defense like Knight of Brown made it seem.
Well, KOB also is willing to trade Harrison to get him.. to me that's just crazy.. Warts and all, at this very moment in time, he's really the only RB we have that appears realiable. Hillis I like a lot, but I'm hoping that he doesn't develop into a fumbler. Davis is completely unproven (maybe great if he gets his chance but today, unproven) and Vickers is a FB.
I don't get that trade for a guy that doesn't seem to be able to crack the starting lineup in a 3-4 D.
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First of all know he wouldn't be the key piece on any defense. Dom Capers knows defense and if he was a stud he would be in there. Secondly you say make the deal Heckert as if your made up scenario is on the table and all Heckert has to do is rubber stamp it.
I'm sorry but posts like these are why people don't take you seriously.
yeah ok...
what I laid on the table would the the "start" of ANY talks or trades make in this league..look what the Pats gave up for Randy Moss, Look what the Cehifs gave up for Cassel...look at some of the recent trades and then tell my my scenario isn't realistic.
I think YOU need to to look at what the average rates for trades actually are
Randy Moss was gotten for a 4th rd pick
Matt Cassel 2nd rd pick
Just look at what we got for Brady Quinn(a fialed first rd pick) we didn't get much
The deal I proposed was "realistic" and not out of the ballpark
If Heckert has offered or listened to any deals or not no one knows...
I was merely just laying out what would be "close" to a fair trade if a deal could be reached...The Packers need a back, we need front 7 help..its makes sense...
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Well, KOB also is willing to trade Harrison to get him.. to me that's just crazy.. Warts and all, at this very moment in time, he's really the only RB we have that appears realiable. Hillis I like a lot, but I'm hoping that he doesn't develop into a fumbler. Davis is completely unproven (maybe great if he gets his chance but today, unproven) and Vickers is a FB.
I don't get that trade for a guy that doesn't seem to be able to crack the starting lineup in a 3-4 D.
why Trade for Hawk? He doesn't fit the 3-4 you say?
Thats right he don;t..
However considering Mangini's chance at survival here is less then 10%..I doubt we are even running a 3-4 here next year anyways..If Mangini don't win he is gone...
Mangini, Ryan, Daboll, they got less then 10% chance of surviving the season...if we lose to KC..we are looking at 0-9..Mangini will be canned before the end of the year if that happens
We might as well start building for the 4-3 now...good to get started early....
As for Harrison
if we DON"T trade him...he will be gone after this year anyways with no compensation
This organization has treated him like garbage and hardly let him play since he has been here.
I think Harrison is a good player, I just don't see him staying here after this year...he is leaving..he is frustrated with this organization and wants to go somewhere where a team will give him the rock...Miami...San Fran...somewhere
If we don't trade Harrison this year...we will get nothing more him...he will most likely bolt via FA after this year...we gotta be smart we are rebuilding
We can get value for Harrison now from GB most likely...atleast get "something" anyways...just getting a 4th or a 5th for him alone would be better then letting him bolt via FA with no compensation..
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Yeah, I know the thread is about Hawk... but somebody mentioned Clay II and I couldn't help it... Thanks for moderating my 2 cent's.
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eeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.... Anyone else hear that broken record playing again?
I hate Mangini is the name of that tune. Anything I think I can twist into a hate on Mangini thread is actionable regardless of the flawed leaps in logic I have to ASSume to get there is the chorus...
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However considering Mangini's chance at survival here is less then 10%..
WOW,, 1 game into the new season and already you give mangini a 90% chance of getting fired..
Now, if we could only do something to trade for Spiller, your life would be complete 
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eeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.... Anyone else hear that broken record playing again?
I hate Mangini is the name of that tune. Anything I think I can twist into a hate on Mangini thread is actionable regardless of the flawed leaps in logic I have to ASSume to get there is the chorus...
ok maybe 10% is pushing it...however I don't think many realize how important this upcoming game with KC is...if we lose this game we could be looking at a "huge" slide...huge...
Mangini is on the hotseat this year...if he don't produce he is gone..
If Mangini is gone...I figure out Next Coach will come from either the Holmgren tree or the Reid Tree or someone from the WCO tree in general...
If were talking Reid(if Philly is dumb enough to get rid of him), Gruden, or Mooch(3 that come to my head right now) these guys haven't run 3-4 D, and neither did Holmgren.
Heckert has drafted primarily for 4-3 systems..he understands what kinda players you need to run that system.
As for Hawk, maybe he just don't fit in the NFC North (A pass Happy Division)
I think he would fit in the AFc North great(Baltimore, Cincy, and Pitt) are all running teams..Ray Rice, Mendenhall, Benson...Hawk fits here..
I never said Hawk was a "Ray Lewis" type of LB..however Hawk could be one piece of a good front 7...the guy has talent and is a very good run stuffer
Run Stuffing LB is what you need to win in the AFC North...the NFC North is a pass happy division way more pass happy then our division...I think Hawk could really help slow down Mendenhall, Rice and Benson...running the ball is the bread and butter of the AFc North.
As for Harrison, yes if we can work out a deal to send him to the Pack for Hawk do it..its the last year of his deal, we most likely will lose him at seasons end anyways, might as well get something for him if the opportunity is there.
Even though I am not a big Mangini fan, he is on the hotseat if you like the guy or not.
Holmgren said when he kept him that "he expected better results" meaning a better record...if Mangini can go 7-9 or 8-8 then yes i think he gets(and deserves) another year, but that will be a tall order with this schedule...4-12, 5-11 , 6-10 won't cut it for him this year...Also Holmgren will not sit idly by if the team is 0-9, 1-8...Holmgren will pull the plug..you gotta remember...Holmgren is a coach through and through...the guy just like Parcells will not take well to feeling "helpless" watching the team tank...He will feel compelled to do something...Holmgren and Parcells don't take well to losing..its not in their blood...
the KC game will be interesting
I also hope we beat KC..I just want to win a ball game...I do NOT want to have a terrible record this year...even though I don't like Mangini at the moment, I am pulling for the guy to win every sunday because I just want to win, I don't care who is coach
If Mangini proves me wrong and starts winning and making sound decisions i would like the guy, however, so far...he has left a lot to be desired...
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hey now in the other reply I said "10% is pushing it" I got a little carried away there Yes I would like to have Spiller, but were crying over split milk...so Far Haden has played well so its not a total loss or anything yet...spiller only had what 7 carries last week? not like he really got a chance to do anything...on the flipside Haden gave up a TD but so what...he looked good outside of that...you can't win them all.... I am just saying if we tank to KC...we could be looking at a huge slide here...0-9 1-8...lets just say if that happens...I wouldn't even want to be a fly on the wall in Berea...Holmgren will be ticked beyond ticked...it won't be pretty...
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I think the thing is they are not using Hawk right. He is playing ILB for the Packers 3-4 and he is more of an OLB, even though he is only 6'2"
We all know Mangini would line him up inside as well but he couldn't be worse than Eric Barton...
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Thats right he don;t..
However considering Mangini's chance at survival here is less then 10%..I doubt we are even running a 3-4 here next year anyways..If Mangini don't win he is gone...
yall need to be listening to what he be sayin
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But what if they're GM people up there in Packerland?
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I can't really fault your logic on the Harrison leaving anyway thing, but it's a stretch. He did threaten holdout, but that ended up being a pretty half-hearted attempt.
We had the same argument for getting rid of Winslow and Edwards, but for some reason I don't see the same thing applying to Harrison.
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What does that have to do with AJ Hawk? He's not going to help us this Sunday no matter what happens.
As for the rest of your post.. I really hope Heckert isn't making decisions based on Mangini being gone after 1 game.. that would be silly and stupid and undermine everything I've come to think about being happy that we finally have adults in charge..
Maybe Hawk is a better run stopper... I do agree that he is better than any LB we have, except DQ.. and even there, they have different skill sets..
I'd take him if the price was right.. I think we could give up Harrison.. I'm not excited about it but with Hillis and Davis (and then Hardesty coming back next year) I think we'll be fine at RB..
I do sort of have to laugh though because the year he came out of OSU, people on here were about drooling over him.. in fact some people had figured out how we should draft OSU guys in the first 6 rounds that year..
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As for the rest of your post.. I really hope Heckert isn't making decisions based on Mangini being gone after 1 game.. that would be silly and stupid and undermine everything I've come to think about being happy that we finally have adults in charge..
Why? did Parcells not Fire Cameron after 1 year in Miami? When a new "boss" takes over do they not usually hire their own guys?
I still believe Mangini (barring a .500 or close season) the guy is gone after this year and Holmgren will either take over as Head Coach himself, or hire someone he is familiar with
Now before anyone says "Oh Holmgren is not going to coach" I beg to differ, and I have proof.
Look at this picture from Mike Holmgren at Trainign Camp this year..
you can find many of them...in this photo he is with the NFL Commisioner touring camp.
Mike Holmgren Training Camp Photo
What does the card on the Front of Holmgrens cart say?
It DOES NOT say:
President Holmgren
GM Holmgren
VP Holmgren
Big Cheese Holmgren
it says COACH HOLMGREN
Now if he was just merely going to be the President..don't you think it would say "President Holmgren, Mike Holmgren, or Mr Holmgren"? Yes it would..but it says "Coach Holmgren"
that there alone is the kiss of death for Eric..I just think Mike needed time to get his GM and people here so he wouldn't be bogged down with everything...i think Holmgren wants to coach here in Cleveland and i'd pace the odds right now at the 60/40 to 70/30 for...Holmgren is going to take over at some point...the question is merely when
in fact..I wouldn't be surprised that the the "only" reason Mike isn't on the sidelines this year is because of that cast he has on his leg...otherwise...he would already be wearing the headset..
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We should ship them Harrison + a 4rd
But what if they're GM people up there in Packerland?
That's funnier than hell.... 
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They do need a RB...
Maybe use Davis as some bait if we don't plan to use Davis?
I'd give 'em Harrison and Davis.
Truly would.
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