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The Bucs traded for Kellen Winslow and gave him a huge contract despite knowing he had the knees of a player ten years older.
Winslow underwent what was at least his sixth knee surgery this offseason, and sat out most of the preseason. After catching four passes for 32 yards in the team's opener, Winslow has missed the entire week of practice this week.
Winslow's status for Sunday's game in Carolina is unknown, but it's a concern that Winslow's chronic problems prevent him from practicing at all so early in the year. Winslow fought through the pain to have a nice first season in Tampa, with 77 catches and 884 yards.
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I loved KW's fire and intensity.. didn't care much for his maturity level at all,,
But it sure looks as if we made the right decision trading him..
Sorry to say,, he would have been amazing if he would have stayed off that damn bike...
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I feel bad for the kid... something that is way too true way too often: one momentary bad judgment forever alters everything for you.
He could have been one of the greatest, or at least been in the running... now, he's got to fight through pain to simply have an average career.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I agree with you.
he simply failed to accomplish a maneuver that many of us have also failed.
His punishment just so happens to be far greater than ours.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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The guy is tough in the games. But, you really notice that he can't practice, especially as the season goes on. He's not able to get out there with the pads on, get involved in the scheme, etc. It's one thing to be able to read about the route you're supposed to take, who you're supposed to block (block?), snap counts, etc., but it's something different to get the practice of actually doing it.
I mean, how many times did the guy just plain kill us with a penalty?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I feel bad for the kid... something that is way too true way too often: one momentary bad judgment forever alters everything for you.
I don't feel sorry for the impetuous child. I feel sorry for the Browns and its fans.
If it all went down differently, like say someone on a crotch rocket came out of nowhere and plowed into his knee, I probably would pity him . . .
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young. 
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he would have been amazing if he would have stayed off that damn bike...
or onside kicks
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young.
Obviously most of us never did anything as stupid or risky as Winslow did, because we're all still here.
Kellen Winslow Jr could have been working on his latest 1000 yard, 10-12 TD season. Instead he screwed up his career after costing us extra to move up 1 spot to take him.
Of course, I was in favor of standing pat and taking Roy Williams .... so what do I know ......?  lol
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young.
It's not like he did it when he was 17 or 18.. he was a professional with a multi-million dollar contract who had just had one very serious knee surgery.... he knew what was at risk and he chose to do it anyway.
I did very stupid things from 16-25.. no doubt.. but I didn't rely on my knees to make a living and earn my millions and honor my contract...
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young.
Not that stupid. Note even close.
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I don't pity him. I don't feel sorry for him.
I also question - if his knees are so bad that he can't practice - what's he doing still playing? He has ability - no doubt - but if he can't practice, is he really doing what's best for him?
Provided he doesn't kill himself in a stupid manner - he has a long life to live. If his knees are so bad he can't practice now, and for the past year or 3 - is he doing himself any favors by playing?
Part of me thinks that this is kellen being kellen. The "hey, I have a great excuse to get out of practice, and it will make me look even more like a 'soldier' - I'll say my knees hurt - and I don't have to practice, but then I'll play in the games - people will think I 'really manned up'. "
Okay, just me being leery of his reasoning for not practicing.
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I did very stupid things from 16-25.. no doubt.. but I didn't rely on my knees to make a living and earn my millions and honor my contract...
You quit doing stupid things when you were 25? Good for you! I'm almost 42 - but I will say, in the last 6 to 8 months I've reduced the frequency of my stupid thing actions - but trust me, they are in no way eliminated. No way. Maybe "smarter" stupid things.........but still stupid stuff - often! But I have fun. 
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young.
It's not like he did it when he was 17 or 18.. he was a professional with a multi-million dollar contract who had just had one very serious knee surgery.... he knew what was at risk and he chose to do it anyway.
I did very stupid things from 16-25.. no doubt.. but I didn't rely on my knees to make a living and earn my millions and honor my contract...
I did things that looking back could have gotten me killed. But at the time, much like him, you don't think about that. The whole "It won't happen to me".
Was it stupid and immature of him to do? Yes. But it happened, and he is suffering the consequences of his own actions.
It is a shame the guy had to learn the hard way, but it happens.
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I agree. I hate to see anybody with a lot of talent do something stupid that prevents them from being able to fully realize that talent.. hell I can say the same thing of people with very little talent.. I hate to see anybody not achieve their full potential..
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Whether you pity him or not, it's just too bad it went down how it did. He had huge potential and we had him. He showed glimpses of that potential many times. But one quick error of judgment and the rest is history. Still love this punk of Porter though... http://dai.ly/cWfYc2
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I remember listening to WTAM after a game several years ago and Andre Knot was talking about how Winslow said he couldn't feel his legs after a game.
Winslow was a nice player while he was here but still seems to lack maturity. A fitting example would be waving a Buccs flag in front of the Browns bench as he did during pregame warm ups.
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Cause you never did anything stupid or risky when you were young.
when I screwed up no one ever said " I feel sorry for poor Line Judge"
and then go on to make millions in spite of it
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I'll always bea K2 fan...hope he doesn't ruin his legs to the point that damage is going to affect his everyday life after football. I LOVE THE ____ SOULJA! 
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He still is a disappointment. More concentration on the game rather than the grandstanding, better OC, and subtract the bike. Sorry to hear the obvious, but his lack of judgment and his distractions are still disappointments. Comfortable with where he is and the Browns are; we have much more upside.
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sadly, i think damage is already done.
he could have been one of the best, we came out on the better end of the trade that sent him to Tampa simply by not having to pay a huge salary for an injury riddled average tightend.
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well if he stops playing football he can still walk and most likely won't need surgeries to walk around...but who knows what will happen if he puts himself throuh this for 3-4 years
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The dude had heart and great hands and I wish it would have worked out differently for him and the Clowns, but it doesn't really matter how much damage he does to his knees as he has the money to pay for their replacements. Artificial knee technology will only get better...lots of people live with them today and suffer little or no pain at all. Just sayin.... 
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I'm sorry the kid will never realize his potential, because he had it.
With that said, he has no one to blame but himself and in that respect, you pays your money, you takes your chances.
It's not like he's destitute though...
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I feel bad for the kid... something that is way too true way too often: one momentary bad judgment forever alters everything for you.
He could have been one of the greatest, or at least been in the running... now, he's got to fight through pain to simply have an average career.
Sorry but I don't share the same feelings. I was in a motorcycle accident also and severely injured, much worse than K2 and nobody feels sorry for me nor do I want anyone to, it was my fault so I have to pay the price for my mistake. It effects my job and I make 45k a year K2 makes probably 6-8 million a year and will be set for life even if he walks away from the game right now. Me, I'll have to work my sore decrepid @ss off till i'm 75 retire in a nursing home and surrender all my assets to them. So no I'm not sorry for K2 and never will be.
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I'll be honest, I kind of feel sorry for you even if you don't want me to.
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I'll be honest, I kind of feel sorry for you even if you don't want me to.
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I loved KW's fire and intensity.. didn't care much for his maturity level at all,,
But it sure looks as if we made the right decision trading him..
Sorry to say,, he would have been amazing if he would have stayed off that damn bike...
feeling's mutual
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I loved KW's fire and intensity.. didn't care much for his maturity level at all,,
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But it sure looks as if we made the right decision trading him..
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Sorry to say,, he would have been amazing if he would have stayed off that damn bike...
Maybe.
He didn't have the desire to be the complete player, so the jury will have to remain out on that one forever. With what we know was immaturity, he may have had MORE things go to his head had he not been injured and made him even less of a complete player than he was headed to be. :shrug: Who knows for sure other than some crystal ball reader?
It's all about choices. Some folks chalk it up to youth and an early indoctrination into the world of celebrityism (couldn't think of a better word this early, sorry) but there all other kinds of youth that don't make the bad choices. Then there adults that make bad choices, like Big Ben. And whoever signed Jake Delhomme.
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I loved KW's fire and intensity.. didn't care much for his maturity level at all,,
But it sure looks as if we made the right decision trading him..
Sorry to say,, he would have been amazing if he would have stayed off that damn bike...
This echoes my sentiment pretty accurately. KW2 was always one of my favorite Browns (remember, I'm new school compared to a lot of you guys who have been a fan of this team for much longer than I have haha) I loved the attitude he brought to the field and we have not had many players on our roster who could fire up the team like Winslow Jr. could.
Yes, he was immature, and yes, he pretty much self-sabotaged his career and I'm glad we got rid of him when we could get something in return for him. I've always wished things would have gone differently.
Hearing he can't even practice without pain, I didn't realize that it was that bad for him. Nobody can question his play on the field, when he's in the pads he always gave it everything he had.
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And whoever signed Jake Delhomme.
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