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Is there a point in the season where we say, "Alright, we aren't any good, time to see what Colt McCoy can do?"
Should we put him in?
At what point in the season does that come? How many losses?
I don't think Mangini will want to put him in because he will be fighting for his job and a veteran QB will give him a better chance at winning. But if the order comes from the top, then he has to do it.
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I am not a Colt McCoy believer. I dont think he has what it takes physically and I blame Holmgren for pulling rank to draft him.
But to answer the question, no. There isn't a point in the season where you put him in there. It never works, there is nothing he could do that Wallace cant do to help this team win, so whats the point? See if he is any good/keep us from drafting Luck? No way IMO you pass on Luck bc you have Colt McCoy.
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Put him in only if we play a team with terrible pass defense at the end of the season (Detroit is the only one that comes to mind) and if the season is long since over.
In other words, it has to be obvious that we have packed it in for the season, and it's a no-pressure situation.
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No, no, and No. If we are 0-15, Delhomme and Wallace are unconscious, I'd play Cribbs as QB. McCoy could come in maybe to hand off. I wouldn't let him try one pass.
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No, no, and No. If we are 0-15, Delhomme and Wallace are unconscious, I'd play Cribbs as QB. McCoy could come in maybe to hand off. I wouldn't let him try one pass.
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I think we have to trust Holmgren at this point - if he says no, then I say no. 
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Only in an emergency.. otherwise, no..
If both Delhomme and Wallace go down "in a game" then there really isn't much choice is there? But I'd do whatever I had to do to avoid it..
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Unless Delhomme and Wallace both end up on IR, I'd say no to Colt for 2010. Let him hold a clipboard, listen to the calls and watch. He'll learn plenty of lessons (good and bad) by doing so.
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no, just because WE might be curious doesn't mean the coaching staff doesn't see him every day. they know what they have in him right now and you can bet anything they have an opinion of what he can become. i don't need to see anything because i trust mh.
for the record, everytime one of us made the "see what we have in him" argument, the guy ended up being crap. and then we act surprised.
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Ya, it always makes a crappy season a little more interesting when we have some rookie we hope will turn out to be Peyton Manning and lead our team for the next 15 years, so we say...lets see what he's got.
I think we should keep him on the sidelines until the coachs think he is our best option at quarterback, not as a last minute attempt to make something happen.
I'm not saying he might not see the field this year but if he does I hope its under some unexpected circumstances. Let him wait and let him learn, and maybe just maybe...he will be a quality NFL QB.
You guys need to remember, we are the Browns. Everything happens in a long, painful and drawn out way. No way we are gonna luck out like Pittsburgh and Baltimore and have a rookie QB tear it up.
Not saying they didn't draft well or anything, but they got some good rookies at QB.
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I think we should keep him on the sidelines until we have a receiving corps for him to throw to. Doesn't matter what HE's got if the WR's aren't good enough.
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He would only deserve to play if our QB play is horrible... which if we keep going at the rate we are... I say Colt never snaps a down this season... Our QB's aren't that bad, and are still capable of keeping us in games.
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I didn't oppose the pick of McCoy inasmuch as I would not have drafted him..he certainly wasn't the QB I wanted them to go after in the third round.
I was never impressed with CM at Texas..and never could fathom the attention for him..sort of like Quinn..
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Agreed, we are not losing exclusively because of our QB play.. they have made mistakes but so has everybody else.
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I say lets give our QBs a few more weeks to see how good/bad they really are before throwing him in there. Jake has played 1 game and Seneca 2 in a new offense on a new team (and Seneca's QB Rating was 103 last game, how often has that happened the last 3 years - and I know a lot of people hate that stat, but..).
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I didn't oppose the pick of McCoy inasmuch as I would not have drafted him..he certainly wasn't the QB I wanted them to go after in the third round.
I was never impressed with CM at Texas..and never could fathom the attention for him..sort of like Quinn..
Who was the QB you wanted in the third? You probably said so at the time,, I just don't remember.
I like him.. good kid, seems to be a hard worker, mobile, decent arm, accurate and in his division, wasn't he the winningest QB?
Dunno, but to me that at least spells decent.... not even close to sure he's a savior here....
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If we are totally out of it then why not, (which we might as well be now)?? You'll learn more in the game calling the signals than you would holding a clip board.
We might be in position to draft Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker or any of the other top rated QB's coming out and it would be wise to know what you have in Colt before making a decision to either draft or not draft a QB in the first round.
If Colt can get about 6 games it will show what kind of progression he has made since camp and would be a good barometer of his overall skill set. If he looks like someone you can build around then we use a high pick next year on another area of need or take BPA that isn't a QB.
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I agree with you ... just because you don't want to force-feed a young QB (like we did Couch) doesn't mean we can't get a decent assessment of his abilities once the season is a washout. He was successful at a topflight program against some very good competition, so I see no reason to treat him like a hothouse orchid now. If a little taste of failure is going to "scar" him then he probably wasn't going to be the answer anyway.
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j/c
If we continue to have success when we run run the ball...and if we continue to protect the QB (no sacks for the Ravens)...then I think it makes sense to see him in a real game.
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If we are totally out of it then why not, (which we might as well be now)?? You'll learn more in the game calling the signals than you would holding a clip board.
We might be in position to draft Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker or any of the other top rated QB's coming out and it would be wise to know what you have in Colt before making a decision to either draft or not draft a QB in the first round.
If Colt can get about 6 games it will show what kind of progression he has made since camp and would be a good barometer of his overall skill set. If he looks like someone you can build around then we use a high pick next year on another area of need or take BPA that isn't a QB.
It would be basically throwing in the towel. I don't want to see that mentality this year no matter what. McCoy isn't going to win us any games this year so he should just ride the pine. Unless both Delhomme and Wallace are completely out of action I don't want McCoy to sniff the field.
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It would be basically throwing in the towel. I don't want to see that mentality this year no matter what. McCoy isn't going to win us any games this year so he should just ride the pine. Unless both Delhomme and Wallace are completely out of action I don't want McCoy to sniff the field.
If McCoy can't win any games then he is obviously not our QB of the future and sitting on the bench isn't going to change that. You are not going to learn on the bench. You learn by playing, making mistakes and learning from them. If we are 2-8, 1-9 or 0-10 we need to see what Colt can do because we will be sitting very high next year in a draft many experts claim is a QB rich draft and you will need to know some kind of read on Colt's ability.
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Part me of would like to see McCoy get in to see what he could do. But only if we are dead in the water. Which it seems like we might be by week 8 or 9. I would want to see if he can play so that I know if we need a QB. And if McCoy turns out to be good, not saying he is, then he would be getting valuable game experience.
Another part of me thinks that our coaching staff/front office should be able to tell if McCoy is good enough by watching him practice, study etc. But how can you tell if a guy is good or not when he's throwing to Carlton Mitchell and Alex Smith during practice?
And another part of me says, "Screw it! Don't play him." And hopes we draft Luck/Ponder/Foles.
It's a tough choice, but playing the young kid when you're out of it seems like the best thing to do. Especially because our offensive coaching staff doesn't seem like the best in the world at determining whether a player is good or not.
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I'm not picking on you, or anybody, but this is the same mentality I had, and still do on Colt, that I had with Quinn.
The difference is Quinn was drafted to be a franchisee and Colt was not.
I don't make the calls, so I don't really care. Quinn should have played right away while we were bad. Right now, we don;t reeally know if we're that bad, except that our record indicates so,....
We don't really even know if we need a QB, because we can't get anyhting else correct.
Same story after 10 years,....
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I am not a Colt McCoy fan, at least not yet. Throwing him to the wolves will get him killed for sure. Not sure what you see that is gained, but he will probably make us worse rather than better. Odd value draft who may pan out. Only way that I see him in is for a special WildElf set series of plays or (more probable) due to injuries to the two veterans. Might be Cribbs before him IMO. I hope he is getting reps not knowing how bad JD is ITO injuries. Maybe he is the answer, but I would be surprised (pleasantly!), but surprised ne'erthe less.
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As others have mentioned, we have a pretty good running game and an above average O-Line (that has room for improvement with Pashos in and Lauvao back). That's not exactly throwing him to the wolves.
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Do people actually think Cribbs would start at QB over McCoy if it came down to it?
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The ONLY way that McCoy should see the field is if he deserves to see the field through his work in practice. Frankly, this is what I would expect anyway. mangini is all about players earning their way onto the field ..... so I don't expect him to just give a player a free pass to playing time.
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As others have mentioned, we have a pretty good running game and an above average O-Line (that has room for improvement with Pashos in and Lauvao back). That's not exactly throwing him to the wolves.
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Do people actually think Cribbs would start at QB over McCoy if it came down to it?
Somebody does, but probably not most of us,...if Wallace got hurt next week, they'd go get somebody that wasn't doing anything anywhere before they put Cribbs at QB, no ?
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Either that or they'd just leave Wallace in the rest of the game.
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You can only learn so much watching. Maybe if we are winless or with a couple wins heading into Buffalo we throw him in there to see what he has. Don't want to start him out the last 2 weeks against Baltimore and Pittsbugh that spells death to a rookie qb. Wean him in gotta see what he has this year to see if we potentially need a QB or not.
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As others have said, on in the case of an emergency. If they think he's ready, at the end of a blowout with the Browns having the big lead could be a possibility, (although the Browns leading in a blowout may not be a possibility).
I dislike the idea of playing someone, especially a QB, to "see what he can do". To me it's as foolhardy as saying, "let's see if I can take this curve at 85 mph".
He shouldn't play until the coaches all think he's ready, and, is our best option at that position. Not bloody likely in 2010. Not much more likely in 2011. He may start in 2012 if we don't draft a franchise QB before then.
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I understand, and agree for the most part, in The Browns' situation,....but is seems every other team in the league goes and gets a franchise guy and starts him. I'm just thinking, we don't have the luxury of time to "develop" one.
I'm getting too old to really care anymore, and ain't smart enough to know any better, so I'm just going with whatever.
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People *really* need to stop clamoring for 2nd or 3rd string/rookie QBs every time the team has a below .500 record. Especially when QB play isn't the problem.
Delhomme played one game- half of it injured- and put up pretty decent numbers (until he twisted his ankle, and that did throw his game off, but it's a valid excuse.) Wallace has done generally well. Neither of them are anywhere close to being the jokes that Quinn and DA were.
Can Colt McCoy play WR or RT? Fine, throw him in. Otherwise, no.
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NO. The plan was to draft Colt and let him sit. Holmgren said so from the get go. It would be a major shocker if Colt ended up starting a game. And a complete accident if Jake and Wallace went down in a game, and the emergency QB Colt had to come in to finish a game.
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with Colt...id put him in as soon as Seneca and Jake proved they cant win games...
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J/C: With Colt, I think he's going to really have to secure the mental side of the NFL before he becomes successful. He doesn't have huge zip to his passes and is going to have to learn to be accurate, smart, and deliver the ball quickly ALA Chad Pennington. Now I watched a lot of the Jets and I liked Pennington a lot, but Pennington didn't really play his first two years.
It just would be hard if we're in a position to draft Mallet (my first choice) or Luck (I like him a lot also), not to draft them. Physically they just are on the money and throw a great ball. Mallet being 6'6 and with quick, good footwork that makes him shifty in the pocket really impresses me with the cannon he has. Luck seems to be very accurate too though.
But McCoy can do it, he just has to work really hard and figure out how to play his game so that he can be successful. And I really wouldn't be surprised if he became successful, he was a very good college player, has a good upbringing, and seems to be quite competitive. He's just going to need some time I think. That and the offense is going to have to be West Coast, timing, cerebral offense. There's really no need to rush him and create bad habbits for no reason. Let him mature a little and see where he's at in a year or two. I do feel like he can be good, he's just going to have to develop, and I think that if given the chance, he definitely has a shot at becoming a decent NFL QB. But as I said, he's gonna have to realize that he's gotta mold his game to what he can do ALA Pennington
But watching this team and being patient on a rookie QB waiting in the wings is difficult. I just try to forget he's there
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The one thing Colt is is a Winner. He wins games. How? I have no idea, he not that great of a QB, but he does it over and over and over again.. Most likely the Browns will destroy him, like they have every QB since the return/But I will take anything that could save this team...please just win some games, will ya Browns please 
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If we're 13-3 and resting our starters for the playoffs then I'll give him a shot. Otherwise, he shouldn't see the field this season.
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Colt needs to sit this year if not next year, Colt is not physically gifted type QB, if Colt is gonna make it in the NFL he will have to use his brains & guts, I dont fall into the belief one style of QB fits all, I think Colt has a chance to go the path of a montana Brees type QB, not overly gifted but smart enough to know where the ball needs to go. he's not gonna go the Elway or Marino type, but Colt is smart and is a hard worker and I'm not gonna bet against him, and if he dosnt work out well it's just a late 3rd rounder, we've wasted higher picks. 
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