The one area I would really like to see him work on is catching the ball so he can get more INTs.
Earl Thomas, for example, has less tackles, but has 3 INTs.
Overall though, the kid's a player, and I am supremely happy that he is a Cleveland Brown.
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the kid plays with a mean streak we have needed since 99, I dont think the hit was cheap either...looked like he was just playing football to me!
as far as ROY, lets see how he does the rest of the season, there are some studs out there tearing it up as rookies, just look at Sam Bradford who is looking to be the next Peyton Manning!
Quote: Although he cheap shotted our WR in the head you gotta like this guy is out hitting people.
It's only a cheap shot because it was your player who got hung out to dry by Palmer, and not ours. Had it been your safety delivering the blow, it would have been an unfortunate play he couldn't stop because he was already committed. Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt, but it wasn't a cheap shot, and it wasn't to his head. He delivered a viscous blow to his chest with his should. Just because Marvy, T.O. and Carson all cried about the Ward hit being "dirty" in their post game interviews doesn't make it true. Even Shipley admitted, "It's part of the game." It's hilarious listening to Bengal coaches, players and fans call Ward's shot cheap especially after Ndukwe's hit on Watson. They can think whatever they want, but I'll happily wait to see what happens next time Carson hangs one of your guys out to dry in our secondary.
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Quote: It was a shoulder to the head period He was flagged and will be fined,have a nice day
to the head? yes. Late to defenseless receiver? yes. Penalty and likely fine? yes.
Cheapshot? That implies a moral depravity, as in trying intentionally to harm a player outside the confines of the game. I don't think that was his intent. The ball hadn't hit the ground yet, the play wasn't technically over. The ball had been touched so he could hit the receiver. He was trying to punish the receiver, but i dont' think he crossed the line into hurting the receiver on purpose ourside the gamesmanship of intimidating receivers that is part of the game.
He hasn't played like a dirty player in his first four games, but he is aggressive. In that play, he was over aggressive, but not dirty in my opinioin. You are certainly entitled to differ. A dirty player would have lowered his head and speared the receiver in the head. Ward lowered his shoulder and hit him on both his shoulder and his head.
I play IDP for my fantasy football league. My league-mates hate me right now(I was smart enough to pickup Ward in the draft and he has been money as DBs usually don't rack up so many consistent tackles)
Quote: It was a shoulder to the head period He was flagged and will be fined,have a nice day
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the "cheap shot" your DB took at us (Evan Moore I believe) earlier in the game? Oh, that's right, our team isn't full of crying babies like the Bengals. I admire Shipley for admitting that it's part of the game. Palmer hangs his receivers out to dry a lot, end of story. I can't wait for the meltdown to begin in Cincy....
Quote: It was a shoulder to the head period He was flagged and will be fined,have a nice day
Don't let the facts get in the way of your point. He hasn't been fined yet, and you obviously haven't looked at the play, but hey, you have a nice day too.
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Quote: CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Former NFL Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira, now the rules analyst for Fox Sports, said in a phone interview today that he thinks T.J. Ward's helmet/shoulder-to-helmet hit on Bengals receiver Jordan Shipley Sunday was a cheap shot and that in his opinion, the NFL should fine Ward at least $25,000.
"Nobody in the league likes to say that somebody took a cheap shot at somebody. But I'm not in the league,'' said Pereira, in his first season with Fox. "And I think it was a cheap shot and I think he deserves to be hit and he needs to be hit hard.''
Pereira said, "to me, I'd look at the severity of the hit and even the fact that it led to the concussion and this is just my opinion -- but I'd start at the $25,000 mark To me, I'd make it stiff. He needs to learn his lesson. If people say you're making an example of T.J. Ward, I'd say 'so be it.' There's no place in the game for that stuff.''
Other highlights of the 10-minute Pereira interview:
• "I think it's one of the worst I've seen in awhile. I think it's the exact hit that the NFL is trying to get out of the game. There's no intent to tackle. There's just a lead with the shoulder to the head and helmet-to-helmet hit and it's after the ball has gone by. I don't consider it late, but it's the exact act you don't want in the game.''
• "I can understand why the Bengals would be upset. In my mind, it's worse than just the normal shoulder or helmet-to-the-head hit.''
• "You can see why Carson Palmer went in there and the Cincinnati players were upset. Sometimes it happens when you're making a legitimate play to try to break up a pass, sometimes helmet-to-helmet contact or shoulder to head contact could be considered incidental, but this was a shot. He knew exactly what he was doing.''
• "I think it's a hit that every other player in this league needs to look at and realize that's not acceptable.''
Well, Mike Periera is a doofus, so what he thinks doesn't really matter a whole lot. He was horrible as the head of officiating, and I think the fact that the current state of NFL officials is, by and large, atrocious, has a lot to do with him. Good to see that his advice is to do exactly what the league cannot and should not do, which is penalize based on the outcome as opposed to the act itself.
Quote: I think it's one of the worst I've seen in awhile. I think it's the exact hit that the NFL is trying to get out of the game. There's no intent to tackle. There's just a lead with the shoulder to the head and helmet-to-helmet hit and it's after the ball has gone by. I don't consider it late, but it's the exact act you don't want in the game.
Did this guy not see the Lions/Browns preseason game?
If Ward gets anything worse than Suh's fine, I'm calling BS (though I fully expect it).
As I said before, the thing that makes me mad about the hit is that it cost us points. I don't have an issue with the hit itself. I'm glad Shipley is ok, don't get me wrong. I don't want our guys out there with intent to injure.
But, I do want our guys out there with intent to stay in the receivers' minds.
• "I think it's one of the worst I've seen in awhile. I think it's the exact hit that the NFL is trying to get out of the game. There's no intent to tackle. There's just a lead with the shoulder to the head and helmet-to-helmet hit and it's after the ball has gone by. I don't consider it late, but it's the exact act you don't want in the game.''
Im not saying it wasnt a foul, but to say there was no intent to tackle is idiotic! Of course he wasnt trying to tackle him! It was in the end zone! He was trying to dsilodge the ball! It would have done no good whatsoever if he caught the ball and Ward tackled him!
And, BTW, Palmer should have went in there and apologized to him for the crappy throw!
Quote: There's just a lead with the shoulder to the head and helmet-to-helmet hit and it's after the ball has gone by. I don't consider it late, but it's the exact act you don't want in the game.
So, it was after the ball went by, but it wasn't late? What?
I wonder how vehement Mr. Pereira's opinion was of Suh's attempted decapitation of our QB? You know, the one that couldn't have been any more blatant and yet yielded only a $5k fine.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Unless the NFL calls this dweeb in as a consultant, he has no business making those kinds of statements unless he is a Bengals fan. And at that point his former standing has no bearing on the issue.
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He was flagged and will be fined,have a nice day 
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