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If you don't pay your mortgage or your rent, they will take away the privilege to have a roof over your head.
But, according to some, that's "not fair, the rich should pay for it.".
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Wrong, 50% of the country does not currently pay taxes, yet they still get the benefit without having to pay anything into it.
For a reason. Economic Hardship, etc...
So, let's see you would rather have people that are exemp from taxes not be allowed to call 911, get help from Firefighters, go to Ambulences, etc..?
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Wrong, 50% of the country does not currently pay taxes, yet they still get the benefit without having to pay anything into it.
For a reason. Economic Hardship, etc...
So, let's see you would rather have people that are exemp from taxes not be allowed to call 911, get help from Firefighters, go to Ambulences, etc..?
Squires was talking income tax - you know, the taxes that pay for our defense, social programs, etc?
Individual towns have seperate taxes (generally an income tax, but not always) for fire protection, police, etc.
Or perhaps you didn't know that.
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Squires was talking income tax - you know, the taxes that pay for our defense, social programs, etc?
Individual towns have seperate taxes (generally an income tax, but not always) for fire protection, police, etc.
Or perhaps you didn't know that.
I repeat, you would rather have people that don't pay into those taxes not recieve the benefits provided by them?
That is, you would rather deny them 911 Coverage, Firefighter Coverage, Ambulance Coverage, etc...
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Actually, Fire, Police, 911 usually come from Property tax. So if you own property you should be able to at the very least pay the taxes.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Squires was talking income tax - you know, the taxes that pay for our defense, social programs, etc?
Individual towns have seperate taxes (generally an income tax, but not always) for fire protection, police, etc.
Or perhaps you didn't know that.
I repeat, you would rather have people that don't pay into those taxes not recieve the benefits provided by them?
That is, you would rather deny them 911 Coverage, Firefighter Coverage, Ambulance Coverage, etc...
Try to follow along charlie. Plus, I never said that, did I?
Try to separate the 2 discussions here, okay?
In one, we are talking about a place that has no fire department of their own. The town in question said "we will provide coverage for a fee." The area where the fire was apparently at some time said "gee, we pay $75 a year, OR we buy fire trucks, staff them, etc........let's pay the $75 a year. That was their choice.
I live in the country - my "police" protection consists of the county sheriff, and the 2 deputies on duty for 420 sq. miles. I pay taxes for county coverage. I surely don't expect a neighboring county to come to my rescue. I have neighbors that don't pay taxes for police "protection", but since the county provides it, I expect the county to fulfill its duty and protect them as well as it does me. I surely don't expect a neighboring county to provide protection for free. Apparently you do?
I also pay taxes for the fire department - it is a township fire department. I know some that don't pay taxes for that. I expect the township fire department to fight my fire as well as the fire of those that don't pay taxes for it. But I surely don't expect a neighboring town to come to my rescue, or the rescue of my neighbor - just because. Apparently you do.
What I would never expect is, if I lived somewhere where there was no fire department - I would not expect them to come put my house out unless I had paid the fee. $75 per home is a reasonable fee to get the benefit of something that you are not entitled to anyway without paying the fee.
Had the fire department put out the fire, the people that HAD paid the fee would think "heck, why pay?" Then, the next thing you know, the fire department that is paid for by the people in that town, and has enough trucks/people, etc, to protect that town - well, they'd be on the hook for protecting everyone around - all on the backs of the 35,000 in the town.
It's not fair the guy lost his house. It's not fair to expect something for nothing.
And in the end, had he paid $75, they would've done what they could - the fire department.
I know you like the idea of not paying taxes but enjoying the benefits - but the real world is different charlie.
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I am a little late to this thread but my .02 is ...
Operator: Hi Buckeyed11. Your city does not have a fire department. For $75 a year, you can have the fire department from the next city over cover your house in case of a fire related emergency. Would you like to add this coverage to your house ?
Buckeyed11: Do you take cash or credit?
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We have this now; called income tax and property tax. Try not paying either of them and see if you even have a house left to burn. 
Key word there, TAX.
Everyone pays into it and get the benefits.
Look its this simple. He didn't pay into it. If you live in an area that you don't pay taxes that goes towards fire service, you better hope you have a volunteer fire department. If not ,you pay the $75 (which amounts to a tax for the service) or play Russian Roulette. With that said, I could not have in good conscience as a firefighter let the thing burn without some attempt to help. And, I'm sure there is some lawyer out there that would have been taking notes of what I was doing, waiting for me to do something wrong. 
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And, I'm sure there is some lawyer out there that would have been taking notes of what I was doing, waiting for me to do something wrong.
I think that's a HUGE part of WHY they don't just save the house and send him a bill for services later. If they are not legally obligated to save the house and they do anyway, they open themselves up for a lot of lawsuits if they don't do anything perfectly.
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With that said, I could not have in good conscience as a firefighter let the thing burn without some attempt to help.
i would agree to a certain extent although we don't know the circumstances surrounding the event. maybe the firefighters have already helped out people who did not pay the fine and saw some of their own get laid off and were sick and tired of people getting something for nothing? (tea party for ya charlie). i know that I, for one, in my place of business, will always hold someone accountable for their mistake, no matter the cost, because individual accountability has taken a backseat in 2010 and is becoming a national epidemic
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We have this now; called income tax and property tax. Try not paying either of them and see if you even have a house left to burn.
Key word there, TAX.
Everyone pays into it and get the benefits.
Look its this simple. He didn't pay into it. If you live in an area that you don't pay taxes that goes towards fire service, you better hope you have a volunteer fire department. If not ,you pay the $75 (which amounts to a tax for the service) or play Russian Roulette. With that said, I could not have in good conscience as a firefighter let the thing burn without some attempt to help. And, I'm sure there is some lawyer out there that would have been taking notes of what I was doing, waiting for me to do something wrong.
I live in an area where most fire departments are "volunteer". What that means is they are not staffed full time. The firemen - who have the same training as full time fighters, DO get paid. A flat amount for showing up, even if the call is canceled. And also an hourly rate when on a call.
Volunteer does not mean free. Plus, add in the costs of the equipment. It's nothing to spend $250,000 for a truck. The money comes from somewhere - so even "volunteer" fire departments get tax money.
The "volunteer" fire fighters are also covered by insurance - when they are on a call. They get hurt on a call? The "volunteer" fire dept. insurance covers them. Not their own, individual policy - the department policy.
In the situation we are talking about, what if they had tried to put the fire out, a fighter got injured...........the towns policy would not cover them because they were doing something they shouldn't have. Then what?
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And, I'm sure there is some lawyer out there that would have been taking notes of what I was doing, waiting for me to do something wrong.
I think that's a HUGE part of WHY they don't just save the house and send him a bill for services later. If they are not legally obligated to save the house and they do anyway, they open themselves up for a lot of lawsuits if they don't do anything perfectly.
To expand on this just a bit, what if one of the firefighters was to be hurt while attempting to save this guys house and they weren't covered under their insurance because they took it upon themselves to act on this home? Obviously I have no knowledge this is the case but it's certainly a possibility.
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Two things.
I wonder what the risk insurance is for the town. Like you said, what if a firefighter got hurt or worse putting out a fire they were not "covered" to do so? I am sure the city has an insurance plan in place for their workers. That may not cover in this case.
Second.
75 dollars vs. the cost of a new home out of pocket vs. cost of repairing a home
75 dollars vs. the cost of a new home out of pocket.vs. cost of repairing a home
I think I'd pay the 75 dollars just in case. I wonder what he spent 75 dollars on throughout the year that he could have easily cut back on.
It sucks. It really sucks, but in today's government the first thing they cutback is police and fire. They never go for the secretaries or road workers first. People wouldn't vote for new levies otherwise.
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Look its this simple. He didn't pay into it. If you live in an area that you don't pay taxes that goes towards fire service, you better hope you have a volunteer fire department. If not ,you pay the $75 (which amounts to a tax for the service) or play Russian Roulette. With that said, I could not have in good conscience as a firefighter let the thing burn without some attempt to help. And, I'm sure there is some lawyer out there that would have been taking notes of what I was doing, waiting for me to do something wrong.
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Homeowner in 'no pay, no spray' fire dispute: 'I'm not a freeloader'
Town's decision to not fight the fire due to unpaid fee sparks debate
A man whose home burned down because he hadn't paid a $75 municipal fee said he had made a simple mistake and wasn't trying to take advantage of the system.
"I'm no freeloader, I've worked all my life for everything I've got," Gene Cranick of Obion County, Tennessee, told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC on Tuesday evening. "It happens to anybody, I don't care, you forget things and I did. I suffered the consequences for it."
The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond, because Cranick had not paid the annual fee.
Cranick's story sparked a wide-ranging debate across cable news and the Internet.
Radio and TV talk show host Glenn Beck defended the fire department letting Cranick's home burn down.
"If you don't pay your $75 then that hurts the fire department," Beck said in response to the blaze. "They can't use those resources and you would be sponging off of your neighbor's $75 if they put out your neighbor's house and you didn't pay for it."
"As soon as they put out the fire of somebody who didn't pay the $75, no one will pay the $75," he said.
Fellow conservative commentator Daniel Foster, meanwhile, said that he had no problem in principle with the "opt-in government" philosophy behind the decision to withhold fire services to those who hadn't paid the required fee.
Morally, however, the issue was quite different, he wrote in National Review Online:
"But forget the politics: what moral theory allows these firefighters (admittedly acting under orders) to watch this house burn to the ground when 1) they have already responded to the scene; 2) they have the means to stop it ready at hand; 3) they have a reasonable expectation to be compensated for their trouble?"
Cranick and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat. The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years and is common in rural areas.
'Hurt the fire department'
South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, which Cranick offered to do, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.
Firefighters did eventually show up on the scene, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee.
Kelly Edmison, fire chief of nearby Union City, said a fire tax would be better than the current fee system.
"Without a doubt, the best is a fire tax," Olbermann quoted Edmison as saying. "The last thing a firefighter wants to do is not be able to help when they'd like to."
Other locals have been sympathetic during this trying period, Cranick told Olbermann.
"Most everybody has been compassionate and neighborly," he told MSNBC. "I understood some of the firefighters went home and were sick. Some of them even cried over it."
"I appreciate it," he said.
Cranick, who is living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home.
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What if a person had been in that home while it was burning?
Would the Fire Department still be allowed to just sit back and watch them burn?
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What if a person had been in that home while it was burning?
Would the Fire Department still be allowed to just sit back and watch them burn?
In the given circumstance, I'd bet that the firefighters would take it upon themselves to help a person... but a home is not a human life.
To give a much more direct answer, however: Yes, they absolutely would be allowed to sit back and watch, just as all of the other spectators there would be permitted to watch the person burn.
If it is a private company, they are not there as a public servant or as a "first responder" as you traditionally think about it - they are a paid contractor.
Does it suck? Yes. Does it matter that the guy didn't mean to not pay? No, not one bit.
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Incidently Charlie, you are showing exactly what WOULD happen in a perfect socialist society. Everyone chips into a common fund and those that don't participate would be left in the cold by the community that did chip in. Sort of like how a union would go to bat for those that pay union dues, but would happily screw over anyone outside of the union. In a free market world ... the firefighters would contact the homeowner at first report of the fire, let them know "your house is on fire, but we'll put it out for a nominal fee of $xxx" ... the guy would agree to payment and the house would be saved. 
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Yes, they absolutely would be allowed to sit back and watch, just as all of the other spectators there would be permitted to watch the person burn.
If it is a private company, they are not there as a public servant or as a "first responder" as you traditionally think about it - they are a paid contractor.
Does it suck? Yes. Does it matter that the guy didn't mean to not pay? No, not one bit.
Then they are guilty of failing to render aid, which is in the lawbooks and is commonly known as "Good Samaritan Laws". Yes, those laws were put in the books in order to prosecute hit and run drivers, however, these people did not render aid and it was obvious to any person that aid was requested as the man made a call to 911.
The following states have good Samaritan laws:
Alabama
Section 6-5-332
Alaska
SECTION 09.65.090
Arkansas
A.C.A. § 17-95-101
Arizona
A.R.S. § 9-500.02.
California
Ann.Cal.Bus. & Prof.Code §2395. (CA Health and Safety Code 1799.102 - see comment in discussion)
Connecticut
C.G.S.A. §52-557b.
Colorado
CRS title 13-21-108
Delaware
16 Del.C. §6801 (a)
Florida
Section 678.13 (2008) The Good Samaritan Act
Sections 678.1315 - 678.1382 (2008) Other related laws
Section 401.2915 AED use by the public
Georgia
§31-11-8
Hawaii
Sec. 663-1.5
Idaho
I.C. §5-330
Illinois
210 ILCS 50/3.150
Indiana
IC 16-31-6-1
Iowa
I.C.A. §613.17
Kansas
K.S.A. §65-2891
Kentucky
KRS §411.148
Louisiana
LSA-R.S. 37:1731
Massachusetts
5-309 Chapter 137
Maryland
Maryland Law 5-309
Maine
Title 14 164
Michigan
333.20965
Minnesota
604A.01
Mississippi
§73-25-37.
Missouri
Section 190.092
Montana
27-1-714
North Carolina
G.S. 90-21.16
North Dakota
§ 20-9-4.1
Nebraska
25-21,186
Nevada
(NRS) 41.500
New Hampshire
Section 508:12
New Mexico
24-10-3
New Jersey
2A:62A-1
New York
Article 30
Ohio
§ 2305.23
§ 4765.49
Oklahoma
Title76.Torts Section5
Title76.Torts Section5.1
Section 698.17
Title 76. Torts Section 5.4
Oregon
(ORS) 30.800
Pennsylvania
42 Pa.C.S.A. § 8 332
Rhode Island
§ 9-1-27.1
South Carolina
SECTION 15-1-310
South Dakota
§ 20-9-4.1.
Tennessee
63-6-218.
Texas
6701d
Utah
78-11-22
Virginia
H.B. 2097
Vermont
SS 519 S.283
Washington
4.24.3000
Washington DC
D.C. CODE 1981 §2-1344.
Wisconsin
895.48
West Virginia
55-7-15
Wyoming
1-1-120.
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63-6-218.
"Good Samaritan Law."
(a) This section shall be known and cited as the "Good Samaritan Law."
(b) Any person, including those licensed to practice medicine and surgery and including any person licensed or certified to render service ancillary thereto, or any member of a volunteer first aid, rescue or emergency squad which provides emergency public first aid and rescue services, who in good faith:
(1) Renders emergency care at the scene of an accident, medical emergency and/or disaster, while en route from such scene to a medical facility and while assisting medical personnel at the receiving medical facility, to the victim or victims thereof without making any direct charge therefor; or
(2) Participates or assists in rendering emergency care to persons attending or participating in performances, exhibitions, banquets, sporting events, religious or other gatherings open to the general public, with or without an admission charge, whether or not such emergency care is made available as a service, planned in advance by the promoter of the event and/or any other person or association, shall not be liable to such victims or persons receiving emergency care for any civil damages as a result of any act or omission by such person in rendering the emergency care, or as a result of any act or failure to act to provide or arrange for further medical treatment or care for the injured person, except such damages as may result from the gross negligence of the person rendering such emergency care.
(c) A receiving medical facility shall not be liable for any civil damages as a result of any act or omission on the part of any member of a volunteer first aid, rescue or emergency squad, which provides emergency public first aid and rescue services, while such person is assisting medical personnel at the receiving medical facility.
(d) If:
(1) A volunteer fire squad is organized by a private company for the protection of the plant and grounds of such company;
(2) Such squad is willing to respond and does respond to calls to provide fire protection for residents living within a six (6) mile radius of the county surrounding such plant; and
(3) The plant is located in a county which does not otherwise provide fire protection to such residents; then the members of such volunteer fire squad, while providing fire protection within such area outside the plant, shall be liable to suit under the provisions of the Governmental Tort Liability Act, compiled in title 29, chapter 20, part 2.
[Acts 1963, ch. 46, §§ 1, 2; 1976, ch. 551, § 1; T.C.A., § 63-622; Acts 1985, ch. 338, §§ 1-4; 1994, ch. 556, § 1.]
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That leaves only 1 question, how far away was his house?
But, something tells me that the Governmental Tort Liability Act applies to them..
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The law you cite is refering to volunteer fire departments, and I honestly don't know if that applies to contract fire departments. Good samaritan laws are also put in place to protect those providing "services" protection from lawsuits if something were to go wrong. If that legal protection isn't there, then the fire department is putting themselves at risk if something were to go wrong.
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And so would every spectator be guilty... big freaking deal  When it happens, charge them... until then it is simply a pointless exercise in supposition.
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I also thought that part of the Good Samaritan Law also requires "on-duty" volunteers to provide emergency services for which they are trained.
ex. a lifeguard must provide CPR/Rescue breathing when they are on duty. They are not, however, required to give emergency services when they are outside the pool. They simply don't identify themselves as a professional rescuer.
It sounds pretty cruel to say that, but that's the way I remember it.
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I also thought that part of the Good Samaritan Law also requires "on-duty" volunteers to provide emergency services for which they are trained.
ex. a lifeguard must provide CPR/Rescue breathing when they are on duty. They are not, however, required to give emergency services when they are outside the pool. They simply don't identify themselves as a professional rescuer.
It sounds pretty cruel to say that, but that's the way I remember it.
Are they required to go to the pool next door to offer help?
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Hmmmmm,
Maybe my analogy doesn't translate to this situation as well as I thought.
To answer your question, I have no idea. I'm a volunteer lifeguard for a camp that's in session one week a year.
All I know is that if a coworker, or random guy on the street collapses and needs CPR, I am not obligated to give that emergency service to them until I identify myself as a professional rescuer.
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Then they are guilty of failing to render aid, which is in the lawbooks and is commonly known as "Good Samaritan Laws".
As usual, you are wrong. A good samaritan law protects those rendering aid from prosecution. It does not require anyone to provide aid. If your giddy little fingers would have stopped long enough to comprehend that last section you emboldened, you'd realize it said the volunteer firefighters would be liable to suit only in their designated area....meaning if they screwed up while fighting a fire in their jurisdiction, they could be sued (i.e. the good samaritan law does not apply).
A good samaritan law actually also protects those that do not render aid....the description you posted says as much:
"...shall not be liable to such victims or persons receiving emergency care for any civil damages as a result of any act or omission by such person in rendering the emergency care..."
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I also think the GS law applies directly towards people ... as in, if the person was in the house, THEN the GS law applies, and they may be required to provide services to save the life of the person. If the house is burning down, they're not obligated to save it.
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Where I live now (aurora Ohio) we have a paid FD.. But where I grew up in Perryopolis, PA, we had a VFD.. http://www.perryopolis.com/vfd/index.shtmlIt worked out very well. Most of the folks in Perryopolis either owned a business (like my dad) or worked in factories in the area. That meant that when they were off work, they could be available to fight a fire should one come up. If you read the first page it gives the history of the department.. and mostly, it was funded by Businesses and citizens and fundraising activities.. (bake sales, hayrides etc etc...) It's interesting that Arch said an truck might cost $250k.. that's exactly what the town paid for on in 1998.. one of thier other trucks is a 1948 and another is a 1951. So that's how it used to be across the country and obviously, still that way in a ton of small towns and villages. I don't beleive any of the firemen are paid anything for thier service. Maybe the rescue squad.. not sure. I also don't think any funding comes from the city either. Just saying, it can still work...
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Where I live now (aurora Ohio) we have a paid FD.. But where I grew up in Perryopolis, PA, we had a VFD..
http://www.perryopolis.com/vfd/index.shtml
It worked out very well. Most of the folks in Perryopolis either owned a business (like my dad) or worked in factories in the area. That meant that when they were off work, they could be available to fight a fire should one come up.
If you read the first page it gives the history of the department.. and mostly, it was funded by Businesses and citizens and fundraising activities.. (bake sales, hayrides etc etc...)
It's interesting that Arch said an truck might cost $250k.. that's exactly what the town paid for on in 1998.. one of thier other trucks is a 1948 and another is a 1951.
So that's how it used to be across the country and obviously, still that way in a ton of small towns and villages.
I don't beleive any of the firemen are paid anything for thier service. Maybe the rescue squad.. not sure.
I also don't think any funding comes from the city either.
Just saying, it can still work...
All I can say is the Archbold fire department DOES get money from taxes, as does the township I live in. Every time we vote (this is in my township), there is a levy for fire department costs.
The volunteer fire fighters DO get paid - as I said, a flat amount for showing up for a call, then an hourly amount for time spent on a call. Trust me, they don't support themselves on what they get.
In Archbold, and the township I live in, the firefighters are able to leave their jobs as soon as the pager goes off. The employer will NOT hold it against them - not one bit.
The Archbold fire department gets funding from its township as well, just as my township department gets funding from the township. Also, both departments get money from the county they are in. (I don't know, but I would guess they each get money from the state as well - but I don't know that.)
I do know, the township I live in has a fire department levy every election - some pass, some fail. Same for Archbold's township.
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(I don't know, but I would guess they each get money from the state as well - but I don't know that.)
Not sure about your township, but when I was a vol. In S.E Ohio We got money from the state every quarter. I also received pay for time off work, time on the job and mileage.
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Exactly what I thought the GS law was about.
The GS laws were to protect people who in good faith try to aid someone from prosecution. Like if you happen on a car accident and the car is burning, you pull the occupants from the burning car, in the process you cause or extend injury to the victim. You are protected under the GS law.
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Arch,, I"m not trying to speak for your location.. just what I know and remember from my home town..
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Having said that,, let me be clear,, that whole plan of charging for fire protection is idiotic.. bad idea,,
They do that already ... it's rolled into your taxes so you don't notice it.
... and since you don't know it, instead of $75 it probably ends up costing you $125 once the government tacks on some of their own bureaucracy.
What the article doesn't mention and nobody has mentioned is that there is a box on the form where you subscribe for the fire protection service.. and that box is the "If you cannot afford this service, please check here..." box..
So what happens if you check there? As I understand it they do a quick financial check and if you really can't afford it then they have a fund (which is made up of voluntary contributions of other county residents) and you get it for free through the voluntary charity of your neighbors...
So while some of you say, and I agree, I don't know if I could stand a watch a guys house burn like that.. but by the same token, if your neighbor came to you and said he couldn't afford his fire protection because times were tough, would you NOT lend OR GIVE him the $75?
So while libby lib and the libettes want to make this a simple issue of exploiting the poor, that is exactly what it is NOT.. It is an issue of this guy gambling with his home and his family and he lost (almost said he got burned but that would be in poor taste).... Does this guy have homeowners insurance? Does he have auto insurance? Does he have health insurance? If he has those, then not paying the $75/year for this fire protection is just monumentally stupid on his part.
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He claims to have just simply forgot and that he paid it in years past. An awfully costly mistake  I'm glad those firefighters went home and got sick, because the way the article painted them was as if they stood around pointing and laughing at the guy while he lost everything. Good to know they do have human decency, even if its only a little tiny bit. Personally, I would have fought the fire had I been them, even if it cost me my job. You don't let a guy's house burn down with his pets inside over $75, I don't care what message it may send to other people about paying the $75 or not. Someone asked me to elaborate on what I meant in another thread when I said that the difference between myself and conservatives is that doing what I'm doing doesn't give me the right to be an ass hole, well there you go, I think that's a fitting example for you.
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Actually, it is not a fitting example.
The guy had a choice. He made his choice. Since he had paid in the past....since he had an opportunity to let his neighbors pay for him.......why is the blame on the fire department?
A "fitting" example here is: Our society has come to the point of 'let someone else take care of it, it's not my fault, and someone else should pay for me".
$6.25 per month. And he couldn't do it because "he forgot". I'm fairly certain a bill was sent out to him - but he "forgot" to pay it. Until he needed it.
Anyway, if he didn't "forget" to pay his house insurance, he's fine. They will pay.
But did he "forget" that too? I don't know.
Pets are pets. Sad to see them go - heck, I still come to tears about Mo, my lab, and Clyde, my cat. Lifes tough.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about honestly.
My fitting example comment was about something I said in another thread that has long since been derailed but someone asked me a question that I had not yet answered. To what I said in that particular thread, this situation is a fitting example.
I'm behind the firefighters in theory that they shouldn't just go around putting out fires they aren't responsible for because then what happens when a fire in their area needs put out and they don't have the resources because they're putting out all these other fires for free? This is pretty much the conservative point of view on the matter in a nutshell, which I don't really disagree with.
However, I then pointed out (which I had not yet done in the aforementioned thread) why I differ from the conservative point of view where the firefighters were right and damn the non paying liberal .... I think sitting there watching it burn under any circumstance when you are trained to help is wrong and that makes the firefighters and anyone who agrees with the decision an ass hole, in my opinion.
Which in and of itself is fine, no law against being an ass hole. Just not the way I choose to conduct myself. If you needed extracted from your home because the region became engulfed in military conflict, I would use my expertise to come save you and your family because it is something, like the firefighters in this case, I am one of the few around who is capable of doing - and because I think its the right thing to do. Even if you couldn't pay my fee.
So yeah, don't have a lot of sympathy for fire department for the heat they're taking because I think they acted in a way that is in the opposite moral direction of my beliefs.
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the difference between myself and conservatives is that doing what I'm doing doesn't give me the right to be an ass hole
Most conservatives I know would have put the fire out. Anyhow, that guy rolled the dice and lost, simple as that. It's no different than "forgetting" to pay your car insurance bill.
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All the ones I know (which admittedly is very few) and the ones on TV especially are lauding the fire departments decision 
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Nice sig pic.  See, not all conservatives are a-holes.
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The real shame in this is that the firefighters were able to check the status of their payment, and decided not to do what they are paid to do.
Obviously, they could have just stayed in their firehouse and let the house burn, but decided to go out and become a lookie-loo, under the guise of protecting it from spreading off the property.
It is a disgusting act performed by heartless beings that inhabit this country, where the laws and rules overcome common sense. Which is why this form of payment for public emergency services is inappropriate.
No amount creative rationalization can justify firefighters standing around and letting a mans house burn down.
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That kind of sums up my beef with conservatism. On paper it looks pretty good, but on paper it doesn't account for the humanistic side of life.
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