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terrible, just terrible for the Browns.
It was obvious that he had fallen out of favor with the Browns.
Not really.. I mean, if they werne't going to use him, then they may as well get something for him right..
I don't like losing Harrison, but it's exactly what you would think would happen to a guy that isn't getting it done and isn't being given a chance to get it done....
Mike Bell is someone I know nothing aboiut.. apparently someone feels he can help more than Harrison.
We still have a shifty fast back in Davis so maybe it's not the end of the world here...
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Harrison may have "more" success in Philly, but we have to remember it's a different setup there. They don't need thumper backs, they need guys who are quick and shifty and catch out of the backfield.
Also, LeSean McCoy is the starter there. They didn't bring Harrison in to be their feature guy.
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Hmmm ..he was traded..I said he would be at the end of the year,it was accelerated big time.
Yet no moves made for a WR..that's equally interesting.
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Not sure whose feet to lay this trade at. Was it something requested by the coaching staff? Something Heckert decided upon after watching the team?
On the face of it, just evaluating what I sense are the talent levels of both backs involved, I'd say we got the crappy end of the stick.
But maybe a change of location will reinvigorate both guys. I sure hope so because this staff is gonna kill Hillis at this rate along with at least one of our QBs.
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Hmmm ..he was traded..I said he would be at the end of the year,it was accelerated big time.
Yet no moves made for a WR..that's equally interesting.
With McCoy our starter for the foreseeable future, we may need bigger backs who can also block.
Not saying this is the only thing that factored in, but could be a part.
I've got to think that this is more an indictment of Harrison, though. For whatever reason, coaching staffs just didn't like the guy.
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well what i do know is that bell was around when NO was trying to get every ball to reggie bush so he didn't have the most opportunities either. if he's a better fit for our system, so be it. at least at the position, getting caught up to speed is relatively quick. heckert worked with his previous org so he must have some positive thoughts on bell and if not, it shows how little we think of harrison, who clearly hasn't performed this year. i guess worst case, we got another body early instead of waiting a full season to let harrison go.
i hope this doesn't say something about hillis' availability.
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I think the team really like the look of the power run game right now. The Oline seems to be opening up the rigtht holes and they realize that Hillis can't run it as much as they want him to without breaking down physically.
Also, I feel like Davis is a bigger, younger version of JH without the contract issues. He can make it around the end like Harrison but can maybe break a hole open in the middle like JH struggled to do.
I just heard that Schefter reported that they tried to get this done 2 weeks ago but it stalled.
I;m sad to see him go but it sure did appear like there was something wrong with that relationship. Now we know.
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j/c i sure hope they tried to hold the packers hostage first
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wonder if rogers is next... they had better get much better than that if they deal him.
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wonder if rogers is next... they had better get much better than that if they deal him.
Wouldn't surprise me if he is gone. And, who knows what kind of deal we'd get. The guy hasn't been all that impressive this year, whether it's effort or injury.
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just saw this on ESPN.. don't like it at all.. but what can I do?
The Front Office wants to beat the Steelers pounding the ball, and Harrison can't do that (but he can get yards)...
Harrison should do well in Philly. Good luck.. Hope u beast on'em!!
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wonder if rogers is next... they had better get much better than that if they deal him.
No kidding. Hindsight is 20/20, but we'd have been well rewarded to have traded Harrison, DQ & Rogers in the offseason. 3 people hyped and overvalued by those not as in the know as all us geniuses at DawgTalk.
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With McCoy our starter for the foreseeable future, we may need bigger backs who can also block.
I'll add to that and the thought s about Harrison..no neither coach was enamoured with him..I think also how he practiced had something to do with it also..plus his comments on he didn't know his role..well he does now..maybe behind the scenes he made some noise to get himself moved.
My other thought was that this looks erily similar to getting another bigger back ala the loss of Hardesty..plus like I maintain the Browns not wanting to utilize a small back.
Now they can work two big backs into the lineup..
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I'm thinking Rogers for Lee Evans, straight up. 
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Perhaps MH and TH thought they could get by with the talent on the roster for this year, adding pieces to the puzzle next year and the year after to make the Browns a contender. Unfortunately, key injuries have left the team in much the same sad state as most of last season. This isn't an indictment of the new regime...just an observation.
Harrison never had the confidence of Mangini and Daboll. And obviously he didn't impress Holmgren and Heckert. One would have thought that his performance in the last four games of 2009 would have earned him some respect. But instead, they went out and got Hardesty and all but proclaimed him the "feature back." Harrison would have been a free agent at the end of this season, so he was most likely gone anyway.
I hope Bell can add something to our running attack. Even as the losses mount, I will still be in my seat at McGee's Grill and Bar on Sunday cheering our guys on. I hope they can find a way to turn things around and keep the season from turning into a wasted year.
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I'm thinking Rogers for Lee Evans, straight up.
I love Lee Evans, but why do you hate Shaun Rogers? He'd probably retire.
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If I had to speculate on the reasoning.....
Harrison is gone anyway, so trade him for Bell which gives us a healthy back that at least somewhat wants to play here. Don't expect much production from him, just expect a RB that will be trying to prove something.
Harrison, in turn, gets to go to a situation where his skill set fits a little better.
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This trade makes no sense to me at all. Harrison would have been the better option late in the season. I think they could have got more value here.
Wasn't Bell in Denver when we got... Oh what's his name... before Lewis... ???
Reuben Droughns. That's it. Wasn't he a back up when Droughns was in Denver?
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If Harrison doesn't want to be here... and my guess is that he is perhaps a little bit bitter, especially now that we were set to be forced into relying on him this week... then you need to do what is right all around and find a better situation for all.
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Okay did some looking. That was Tatum Bell. We got Reuben Droughns in 05 and Mike Bell was in Denver starting 06. So I was confused by the Bells.
Anyway I still don't understand this trade.
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You're probably right Purp but wouldn't you think he would have tried a little harder to be the man here and take advantage of his opportunities? He just never got started this year. Last year must have been the line and Vickers making those runs happen.
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This trade makes no sense to me at all. Harrison would have been the better option late in the season.
I'm not so sure about that. I can't see one reason why that would be the case.
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Well, I'm basing that soley on last year. So, I might be wrong.
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The biggest question I have about the trade is
1. What are the teams (were any other picks involved? or just player for player straight up).
And 2. What is Mike Bells contract status ...
Assuming We keep Hillis and the possibility of having service from Davis and Hardesty for a few more years at least ... if We have the big back durability / insurance policy of Mike Bell for even 2 or 3 more years ... this is a GREAT example of how Heckert will continue to work.
Last year at the season's end we had Harrison who was somewhat angry on getting the tender but no long term deal ... Chris Jennings... an Aging/Retiring Lewis ... and a Hurt James Davis ...
At the end of this year we can have Hillis, Hardesty, (Maybe Bell) and Davis all locked up for at least a few years. Is Bell the answer to all of our problems? No.
Does this show that Heckert COULD be a genius? I fully believe so. This is ONE less hole that we might have had to fill in the draft ... and one more reason to buy into Heckerts philosophy of "if you take care of all of your holes in the offseason and free agency ... then you REALLY CAN DRAFT the BEST player available"
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The Browns have traded RB Jerome Harrison to the Eagles for RB Mike Bell, the Eagles announced Wednesday.
Harrison has not been able to build on his strong finish to the 2009 season, when he rushed for 561 yards as the Browns' featured back. He lost his starting job to Peyton Hillis and has rushed for just 91 yards on 31 carries in four games.
Bell, 27, has rushed for just 28 yards on 16 carries in five games this season. He signed with Philadelphia in March after two seasons in New Orleans.
The way we see it
The trade is basically a wash in terms of money, with Harrison, 27, making $1.759 million this season and Bell reportedly making $1.7 million. And both backs join offenses which might suit their skills a little better. The 6-foot, 225-pound Bell could fit well in Cleveland's scheme, which successfully has emphasized a physical ground game with Peyton Hillis as the focal point. The 5-9, 205-pound Harrison has good quickness and catches the ball well, and he could be a nice addition to a potent Philadelphia offense.
Both teams have starting running backs who are playing hurt; Hillis has a quad injury, and the Eagles' LeSean McCoy has a rib injury. Browns head coach Eric Mangini reportedly said Wednesday that he expects Hillis, who was to sit out practice Wednesday, to play Sunday, and Eagles head coach Andy Reid reportedly said that McCoy, who missed practice Wednesday, should be back Thursday.
These teams are familiar with each other, with Browns GM Tom Heckert holding the same position in Philadelphia before joining Cleveland in January. What's more, they have a history of making deals together; this is the third trade the teams have struck since April. (Interestingly enough, the last deal they made was on the second day of April's draft, when the Browns moved up to take rookie RB Montario Hardesty, who was expected to compete with Harrison for the starting job before suffering a season-ending knee injury.)
In short, this appears to be a deal that makes sense for both clubs, considering the circumstances.
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Both Harrison and Bell project as backups with their new teams as long as the starters can play. Harrison has more value because he joins a better offense.
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I personally don't like this trade at all..this trade was garbage..we again got the "short end" of the stick per se...
My Problem is NOT trading Harrison..I understand why we trade him..he didn't want to be here...my problem is "WHAT WE GOT FOR HIM"
We got took here...we could have gotten more for Harrison...this is NOT a smart move..it was a boneheaded one...
Mike Bell has been given up on by what...3 teams? The guy isn't very good...I remember him alot in Denver..the guy was a fumbling machine from what I remember of him in Denver...
I wasn't a big Harrison fan but I would take Harrison over this guy...
We should have got a draft pick out of it...a 4th or a 5th for Harrison would have been better then this guy take the pick and let the Eagles keep Bell....this is a classic facepalm moment...facepalm...im doing it right now...
We should have asked for a 5th atleast and just signed Jennings
Jennings is a better RB then this guy..I would take Jennings over Bell anyday....
unbelievable!....we got took here folks...we got hoodwinkled....
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oh, who knows... players are people. They get squirelly the same as you, me and everyone else. If they aren't happy, they won't be motivated.
He's already gone out and worked his butt off and tore it up once to prove himself , and this is the reward he got.... so what motivation does he have to "take advantage of his opportunities" this year? I'd say it is very easy to understand him not being motivated. It's unprofessional as hell, but I can certainly understand it.
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Mangini did more with RAC's team than RAC could ever do. RAC put teams out on the field that looked unprepared,unmotivated and lacked discipline. Watching a RAC team was probably the most difficult thing for me to stomach in all my years of being a Browns fan.
Are you counting last season when Mangini took RAC's team, along with the changes he made for improvement, to a 1-11 record. Are you saying RAC's team was the most difficult thing for you to stomach in all your years of being a Browns fan next only to the team Mangini ran out there last season?
I'm sure that's what you meant.
Me? The 3-13 season was the worst I remember.
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I respect your opinion and have nothing to back this up ... but he is a quality backup (172 attempts with the saints for 654 yards and a 3.8 ypc) ...
and dont forget how upset everyone was with the braylon trade ... this could be a complete blown deal... or it could be that we took them to the cleaners ...
I would at least wait to see what he can do for us before we make TOO hard of judgments...
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A 4th or a 5th? Are you kidding. Nobody would have given us that for him. Marshawn Lynch went for a 4th and he is leaps and bounds better than Harrison at this point. Maybe a conditional 7th...MAYBE but a 4th or a 5th? 
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I personally don't like this trade at all..this trade was garbage..we again got the "short end" of the stick per se...
I see it as a wash. Same age, same salary, nearly identical 09 stats, and each is a better fit for the offense their new teams are running. Basically, I agree w/ that last article posted.
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I know that last year's "team", at the beginning of the year, was the closest I've ever come to just not watching the Browns anymore. It wasn't because they were frustrating, it was because they were boring.
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I like this trade. Harrison was gone next year and I don't think he was going to amount to much. This was his fifth season with us and he couldn't prove it to either of the coaching staffs that he was our guy. Yeah he had a few games that were good last year but he also whined about wanting a contract. I'm sure he was going to leave next year so why not at least see what Bell can do? Bell may not be the answer but if he turns into an asset I think it was a good trade.
My big question for this is the timing. Maybe we should have waited till Hillis was a little more healthy? With Colt's first week coming here, I thought they would rely heavily on the run... or maybe that is the reason they didn't want Jerome... Who knows...
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Those last 4 games did a lot to erase the memory of the first 12. As they say, and it's true, winning cures everything. 
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I think its a good trade for both teams.. they need a guy more like McCoy and we need a guy more like Hillis.
I'm not a big fan of having two backs when the backs are completely different. If you design your offense around a pounding back and your pounding back goes down and you are left with your speed back then you are completely revamping your offense.... I think it's a good deal because for whatever reason, Harrison was never going to be the guy here.. I wish him luck.
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My big question for this is the timing. Maybe we should have waited till Hillis was a little more healthy? With Colt's first week coming here, I thought they would rely heavily on the run... or maybe that is the reason they didn't want Jerome... Who knows...
With Hillis out, or should be, we had no big back. We had Harrison and Davis and Davis is hurt too. So all we had was Harrison. Now all we have is Bell.
I'd still like to see them bring back Jennings. He might lack vision and speed, but dude runs with abandon.
How we're going to go forward with one back is a mystery to me unless they're going to run Hillis out there some more.
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and dont forget how upset everyone was with the braylon trade ...
And they still should be.
Why do so many around here delude themselves into thinking that was a good trade?
We got Chansi Stuckey, Jason Trusnik, Shawn Lauvao and Larry Asante.
That's not good value for Braylon Edwards. Say what you will about the guy, but we could've acquired more than that for him. The timing on the trade was all wrong ... Mangini knew he was gone, and should've jettisoned him much sooner.
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I'm with KoB and a few others on this one. We got had. Garbage trade for a guy on his fourth team in three years. He's not a workhorse and he's not a change of pace. I'm surprised nobody's played the "he's got a SB ring" card yet
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Well, he does have a SB ring.
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