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Great trade. Harrison was a lazy guy who didn't fit the system. Bell will be a nice replacement for Hardesty and fill in for Hillis.
Neither one of them will sniff the field next year with Hillis and Hardesty back healthy. At least we have two RB's who fit the same mold, now.
you had a good run Hank.
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anyone know if James Davis is healthy yet?
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Well, he does have a SB ring.
Yeah, he's got that going for him. He's also now on a team that apparently values the willingness to shove the ball down the opponent's throat. We'll see on Sunday if we got another Ham Sandwich.
Harrison was gone already. He cashed his check weeks ago.
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I like this trade. Bell is a smashmouth kind of back. I think he'll fit our offense really well. I wish we could have pulled off the trade that the Pats did for Deion Branch. I think that he'll help them a lot, and I think he could have helped us even more. For a 4th, I would have been all over that trade. If anyone has any doubts what kind of offense we are building here in Cleveland, this move should really squash them. We are building a big back/smash/crush/kill/destroy offense. You know? I love it!  Man I hope we can find a solid veteran WR before the trade deadline though.
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For those who keep arguing that we got taken in this trade and could have gotten more, I have a question. Don't you think the Browns asked around and gauged offers? Really, do you think we took the first deal without exploring what other teams might give us? I don't believe it for a minute. Just because some of you think Harrison is the next Barry Sanders doesn't mean that the people in the league, who acually know what the heck they're talking about, do.
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Harrison's stats are much more impressive IMO
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A 4th or a 5th? Are you kidding. Nobody would have given us that for him. Marshawn Lynch went for a 4th and he is leaps and bounds better than Harrison at this point.
Maybe a conditional 7th...MAYBE but a 4th or a 5th? 
maybe
I was being liberal..to be honest we could have probably gotten a 6th or a late 5th for him...even a 7th is better then Bell..
regardless...we got hoodwinkled...big time..Bell is um...yeah 
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Also, for those who asked, Bell signed a 1 year contract with the Eagles as restricted free agent. He will be a free agent after this season ... or a restricted free agent, depending on the CBA ..... same as Harrison.
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even a 7th is better then Bell..
Bell will be on the active-45. when was the last time one of our 7th rounders can say that?
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A 4th or a 5th? Are you kidding. Nobody would have given us that for him. Marshawn Lynch went for a 4th and he is leaps and bounds better than Harrison at this point.
Maybe a conditional 7th...MAYBE but a 4th or a 5th?
maybe
I was being liberal..to be honest we could have probably gotten a 6th or a late 5th for him...even a 7th is better then Bell..
regardless...we got hoodwinkled...big time..Bell is um...yeah
do you really think a 7th is better than bell? come on man. id give a 7th for bell all day. we just gave them a back better for their system for a back better in ours.
i now a lot of people stick up for someone on this board till the end, and then still say how bad or great player or coach is. like following politics or religion with blind faith. so i understand your value of bell if thats the case. i just think bell will produce more, now than harrison did this year. jmho
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I'm somewhat ambivalent to this trade. Since Harrison got happy feet this season and forgot how to hit a hole running forward, he really wasn't going to be of much use to us.
Is Bell going to be better, who knows? Possibly a fresh start for both is warranted. We certainly need the body and Harrison wasn't going to get it done for us.
I'd give this a ham sandwich for a bologna and cheese sandwich.
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Bell willbe on the active-45 because of injury,not because of talent.
The reality of the trade is this,the Eagles traded thier bum backup for our disgruntled backup.
Niether team was going to get anything for thier guy,so I guess it's even.
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Not sure whose feet to lay this trade at. Was it something requested by the coaching staff? Something Heckert decided upon after watching the team?
On the face of it, just evaluating what I sense are the talent levels of both backs involved, I'd say we got the crappy end of the stick.
But maybe a change of location will reinvigorate both guys. I sure hope so because this staff is gonna kill Hillis at this rate along with at least one of our QBs.
It's simple Otto....we have decided a power running game is the direction we need to take and we brought in another power runner to back-up Hillis....so we don't kill him before his time.
Bringing in Jerome required a different mind set after Hillis.
Now, we just keep doing what we seem to do fairly well.
Mangini had nothing to do with this other than say he was good with the move....this is a Heckert move top to bottom.
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I like this trade and wish Harrison the best as long as he can stay determined. I just hope Bell can give us at least half the production Hillis has. Heckert should've packaged Sean Rogers and a 4th round pick along with Harrison to try and pry Kolb away from their hands.
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The difference between the two is that we tendered our guy this past offseason so that we could keep him around, whereas Bell's team made no effort to retain him, and the team that did sign him has given up on him after 5 games.
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Bell willbe on the active-45 because of injury,not because of talent.
not sure if James Davis is better than Bell because he's always hurt. Heck, same for Hardesty (I assume you mean Hillis/Hardesty/Davis would be our 3 active RBs if they were all healthy).
being healthy is a key asset in the NFL (just ask Lee Suggs for our Browns RB example)
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you summed up how I feel about this trade pretty well.
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This is definately NOT the trade I had envisioned.
I would have rather tried to land a position of need like receiver or safety and resigned Jennings and went with Hillis, Davis and Jennings.
But what's done is done.
Hope Bell is worth it.
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Right now, RB is a position of need.
That's become 98% of our offense, and we don't have healthy players to execute that offense.
Honestly, I'm strangely ok with this. It's a big gamble. If Bell can knock some defenders around similar to Hillis (I don't expect lightning to strike twice), this will be very good for us in the short term (this season).
I'll say this again... I really wish we could've figured out some sort of Smash-and-Dash combo with Hillis and Harrison. Can't say I'm surprised, though.
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I'm with you, tell me what back to we have on our roster that can hit the home run in one run. Yes, Hillis is a monster( white rhino) but we could have used Harrison more often as a change of pace. Hillis will not make it the rest of the season if we try to pound him 35+ times a game. Then what, we have not seen Davis and this guy we traded for is a bum. We got had per usual.
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It's not the Harrison trade that irks me, it's what we got for him.
I would have been perfectly fine with Hillis, Davis and re-signing Jennings. I seem to have alot more faith in Davis than alot of people. To me Davis is our "dash", he's the fastest guy on the TEAM. If he get's a shot to prove it I will not be suprised AT ALL to see him light it up.
I tried to be politically correct in saying "whats done is done" but I gotta say. I HATE this trade.
Bell is a journeyman BUM that hasn't done anything in his career. If he ends up producing I will be shocked, completely and utterly shocked. But I will be the first to eat crow.
Philadelphia is laughing right now. There is no way they wouldn't have traded Bell for Harrison. We could have at-least kept our composure and made some other phone calls and took it to the deadline, because I guarantee Phili was chomping at the bit to make this trade.
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Exactly,
We did not get anything in return for Harrison. People can talk about him being disgruntled, pissed or whatever, if you have to move him, get something you need for him. Mid-round draft pick, serviceable receiver.. something! But we take a Philly bum for someone who can say I rushed for 280( I forget the actual number) yards in a game. I'm not saying you going to get alot but you should get better than some bum. And the sad part is that the Cleveland Press will not question this move on bit!!
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I can't fault them for making the trade if the writing was permanately on the wall and that is all you could get for him. But the lack of effort is what really chaps my butt. Make some phone calls man, if nothing go's through then make this trade 30 second before the deadline. Like I said, there is NO WAY Phili doesn't take this trade, they could talk tough all they want on the phone but at the end of the day they are trading Bell for Harrison.
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It is a silly deal, but we weren't using Harrison right anyway. I didn't even see an outside run called for him but maybe one or two times all season, most his runs were between the tackles. We have the most hard headed coaching staff in the NFL.
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It really bothers me that Holmgren would o.k this deal.
There was no need to panic, like I said wait it out and field some calls. Harrison did enough at the end of last season that as the deadline panic sets in for OTHER teams in need of a RB we have more leverage and could have possibly landed a better deal.
But again like I said if nothing comes up then make this trade at the last possible moment.
Bell was not being used in Phili, was averagign a measly 1.8 yds a carry and had fumbling issues. The guy was on the verge of being cut imo.
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do you really think a 7th is better than bell? come on man. id give a 7th for bell all day. we just gave them a back better for their system for a back better in ours.
i now a lot of people stick up for someone on this board till the end, and then still say how bad or great player or coach is. like following politics or religion with blind faith. so i understand your value of bell if thats the case. i just think bell will produce more, now than harrison did this year. jmho
Yes I do...a 7th could mean the difference between moving up in the 1st, 2nd or even 3rd rds to get that extra guy we covet...any extra pick is a good pick.
Yes I would take a 7th over Bell...at worst case scenario I would rather roll the dice in the draft with the chance of getting someone then having this stiff Bell.
Bell probably won't even be on the active roster of this team next year...atleast he shouldn't be....he isn't the answer to anything in terms of our running woes....
not to mention this guy has already cough up the rock after only 16 carries...
he had 1 fumble in 6 rushing attempts with Denver in 07
He had had 2 fumbles lost last year with the Saints.
He already has 1 fumble this year on 16 carries
anyone see a pattern here? Harrison really didn't get fumblitis until this year....Bell has been plagued with fumbling his entire career when he has played.
this guy is a fumble waiting to happen....we would have been better off signing Chris Jennings..atleast Jennings can hang on to the ball and is younger and has some upside and would have come much cheaper....
We could have sat on Harrison another week or two...waited to see if a team like the Packers(who have RB probs) lost another Rb and just maybe we could have gotten a better deal....
We got jobbed on this trade...in the very least we should have asked Philly for a 7th for Harrison and told them to keep Bell and just signed Jennings...I have more faith in Jennings then I do Bell and thats sad...Jennings isn't a world beater, but I thought he was practice squad material and may develop into something like a decent depth player....afterall Jennings is young, but he showed flashes in the Steelers game last year, enough flashes to atleast get a spot on our practice squad.
Bell is a fumble waiting to happen, and i will cringe when we give this guy the ball if we do sunday....i really hope Hillis is healthy and can share the load with James Davis....Bell in my opinion has a problem putting the rock on the turf...
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Not sure whose feet to lay this trade at. Was it something requested by the coaching staff? Something Heckert decided upon after watching the team?
On the face of it, just evaluating what I sense are the talent levels of both backs involved, I'd say we got the crappy end of the stick.
But maybe a change of location will reinvigorate both guys. I sure hope so because this staff is gonna kill Hillis at this rate along with at least one of our QBs.
It's simple Otto....we have decided a power running game is the direction we need to take and we brought in another power runner to back-up Hillis....so we don't kill him before his time.
Bringing in Jerome required a different mind set after Hillis.
Now, we just keep doing what we seem to do fairly well.
Mangini had nothing to do with this other than say he was good with the move....this is a Heckert move top to bottom.
I'm no expert, but that makes a load of sense... 
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Harrison was unhappy here.
We might have traded for Bell, but Davis will be the one who will benefit from this move.
He will have the opportunity this Sunday and if he makes the most of his PT then Bell will probably be insurance and of little consequence otherwise.
I thought Davis and McCoy seemed to have some chemistry in pre-season together.
Hillis Is still going to still be banged up Sunday and I can't see him carring the load on his own.
James Davis front and center.....here is your opportunity.
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I sure hope so
James Davis has potential to be a good back...
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I have no problem trading Harrison this year if we aren't going to use him, but for Bell?? Bell has never impressed me... maybe he'll fit the system better as some have said, but I would have rather gotten a late draft pick for Harrison or a WR...
but whatever... hopefully Bell can pick up a blitz if he's going to get in this weekend...
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I think you're (all due respect) starting to make stuff up .. you forget to mention that in his rookie year he had 1 fumble of 157 attempts ...
and he has 4 fumbles in 357 attempts career for just over 1.1% fumbles per carry ... dont forget Jerome's numbers are fairly similar ... 3 fumbles in 302 career attempts ... just under 1.0% ....
I dont know if I like the trade or not yet ... but you cant say that he is an absolute bum if he really is similar to harrison ..
And also ... Jerome's lifetime stats ... 1401 yards in 4 seasons plus this season for 4.64 career average with 6 rushing touchdowns ...
Mike Bells is 1404 yards in 4 season plus this season for 3.93* career average with 14 touchdowns ...
The only real difference between the two guys is Jerome is more of a "scat" back (adding 61 receptions to mike bells for 444 yards to mike bells 27 for 196 yards ...) while Bell has nearly 15 to 20 pounds more on his frame ...
The way we have been using our running backs (up the middle versus in screens and the running game) seems to imply we want a big powerful back ... It looks like we get a guy that we want.
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This guy was brought in because JH was not a power back...
We need another power back this sunday to keep hillis from having to shoulder the load...
this is about protecting our rookie qb...with 2 big vet runningbacks...JH was gone next year anyway....we got a guy that might keep colt clean right now, and give hillis a chance to recover...
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I'm not that upset with the trade, I understand it and just want to say good luck to Jerome, and thanks for December, 2009, amongst a few other games earlier than those.
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Unless Bell has adopted a different style of running since his Denver days, he's no power back. He may be bigger than Harrison, but he never really ran with a whole lot of power in the past. We'll see... Bigger doesn't mean more powerful, though.
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Here are the facts as I see them:
1. Harrison is a UFA at the end of the season.
2. We drafted Hardesty to fill his role.
3. We hit on Hillis.
4. There are SB contending teams that are very thin at RB and may pay for a one year rental.
Bottom line, I have no problem trading him.
It's lame to quote yourself but it saves time here. See above plus...
IMO Harrison was mentally done with this team.
We had the opportunity to swap him out with someone who wanted to play.
We were not going to resign him.
I see this as getting something in a bad situation.
And I'm ok with this trade.
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well he might not be an animal to stop like hillis is, but he's a bigger vet back...his style is more north/south no? 1 cut and go...
he will give hillis a break, and allow us to continue to run the same type of offense...don't know how successful we'll be
how's this guys blitz pickup? anyone know?
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I cannot say that I gave Hillis that nickname but it fits when you see him running through defenders! And Bell cannot be our "Black Elephant" because he has not proven himself anywhere. If he proves himself, then he will get a nickname. But the problem that the Browns have is that we do NOT have any "cheetahs or Gazelles"!! Maybe Davis will pan out but we do not have anyone in the running back position that can take it coast to coast in 1 or 2 moves. I know Harrison might have been pissed but we should have found a way to use both he and Hillis(White Rhino).
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