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I don't want to trade Hickson at all. I think that he could be a special talent.
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No way ATL finishes with the 4 seed. They'll be behind Miami and Orlando.
The major reason why I think the Cavs will finish better than a lot of the worst teams in the east is because they will play team basketball. Watch the worst teams play...they play as a bunch of individuals, not as a team. I think it benefits the Cavs greatly that they've tasted some success, because it will keep them hungry, and it will also help them focus on the fact that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. This team doesn't have players with individual agendas, and that's a very good thing. Team ball brought a ring to Detroit a few years ago, and kept them relevant until age caught up with them and they were forced to dismantle. Our core is young...I could definitely see them emulating the Pistons teams of the early 00s.
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Yeah.
Behind Miami, Orlando, and Boston.
That puts Atlanta likely the 4 seed.
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Miami, Orlando and Atlanta are all in the same division, so they can't all be in the top 4. Three division champs plus the second-place team with the best record.
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Would it be crazy-ironic if we managed to trade for Carmelo Anthony and won a title with him instead? 
Would love Carmelo here for one season. What would it take to get him though, of course the 15 million trade exception, 2 1st round picks, and 2 players, who would they take? The absolute only way I would trade for Carmelo is if he signed an extension! Would be a nice run I think.
jj, the exception and 2 draft picks.
i wouldn't do it. not unless there was an extension involved and we all know that ain't happening. not a smart move for the better of the team, as fun as it would be.
plus i don't wanna see another star player walk away from a cleveland team even if we all know it would happen.
Carmelo is open for a trade to Cleveland....just not an extension. Which is bad but hey, at least he's honest about what he wants (unlike someone else we knew). So that's out.
I actually hope he gets traded within the East soon (Knicks, Nets, there was someone else [Chicago?]). I want the East as strong as possible to stomp the Heat.
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i wouldn't do it. not unless there was an extension involved and we all know that ain't happening. not a smart move for the better of the team, as fun as it would be.
plus i don't wanna see another star player walk away from a cleveland team even if we all know it would happen.
Well it depends on a few things ... How Denver is doing this year and how many other "suitors" would be open for a Carmelo rental. If Denver gets desperate to unload him, because he's openly talking about leaving in the summer ... then maybe we can get him for (cheaper). If teams like New York stay away, because the figure they'll get him in the summer anyway ... then maybe it boosts our chances. It's a longshot for sure, but I'd say it's possible.
I don't see him staying for more than a season anyway, so I guess it would come down to us being a 6th-ish seed in need of one more big peice (like say, a mid-range scoring machine that a ball-movement up-tempo-offense team could pass to), and Denver doing poorly and desperate to unload him for anything before he bolts. I could see Dan Gilbert pulling the trigger on this ... just in hope that he fullfills his promise of a title before Lebron.
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i feel like the only way we should unload jj is if we get back an unprotected draft pick(s)
i would love to see melo on the cavs, but let's face it, you don't win the title with him this year anyway. and you have to put emotion aside and realize it's for the best of the team not to unload draft picks and a guy with high value like jj.
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I don't see him staying for more than a season anyway, so I guess it would come down to us being a 6th-ish seed in need of one more big peice (like say, a mid-range scoring machine that a ball-movement up-tempo-offense team could pass to), and Denver doing poorly and desperate to unload him for anything before he bolts. I could see Dan Gilbert pulling the trigger on this ... just in hope that he fullfills his promise of a title before Lebron.
Did California already pass that Mary-Jane law? I have a better shot playing for the Cavs this year than 'Mello. He will be a Bull.
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Why not? We'd essentially be replacing Lebron with Carmelo. We won 60+ two years in a row with pretty much the same team. Lebron is a bigger physical presence and has a much better overall game, but Melo is a scoring machine and would probably end up fitting into this team-oriented system better. We wouldn't have to worry about Melo on 5 in end-game situations.
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I completely agree. That's why I said a lot depends on the desperacey (word? ) of Denver. If they know he's gone at the end of the season, then MAYBE they take what they can get for him, which might not cost us JJ/unprotected picks, etc.
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But why would the Bulls trade for him when they can get him at no cost (other than the contract) in the summer? It's kind of like how Milwaulkee rented CC for a few months before he inevitably went to the Yankees.
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But why would the Bulls trade for him when they can get him at no cost (other than the contract) in the summer? It's kind of like how Milwaulkee rented CC for a few months before he inevitably went to the Yankees.
because they would want to dump Boozer's contract back on the Nuggets. with the new CBA, paying top dollar to 2 PF's will not be smart basketball or financial sense.
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Past 3 seasons we have opened with the Celtics. This is our first win in those 3 games. LeBron is 0-3 in season opening games the past 3 seasons. Just saying.
I could point out that the old, slow Celtics were playing the 2nd night of a back-to-back where their energy and focus was rightfully put on the first game vs. the hyped up Heat, so a letdown was just part of the process with them. However, the fact that we hung around all night and completely outclassed them in the 4th quarter should at least raise a bunch of eyebrows. It's the first step towards 'not' hearing about LeBron everytime the Cavs are brought up.
and, that's the type of game we have to win if we are going to make a run at a division title. great job by the Cavs.
(and yes, division title. Bulls are without Boozer right now and we all know his injury history. The Bucks working Bogut back in from his injury and Gooden/Maggette aren't known for rising teams up. Pacers are improved with Collison, but still have too many injury-prone guys. 45-50 games likely wins the East-Central. That's the top of the win curve for the Cavs, but hey, it's a small possibility at least. It's not like we're in the East-South)
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not only did we lose lebron but we lost all size in the frontcourt. no shaq no z no 7 footer.
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I thought Melo was a SF ... and would Denver really want to take on Boozer's contract? By the way, I don't think there's really much of a chance of this happening ... but to quote Lloyd Christmas, "I'm telling you there's a 'chance' ".
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That might be a blessing in disguise. Last year people were begging Mike Brown to go small-ball, and he kept trodding out Shaq and Jamison. I donno ... we'll probably get destroyed by a team like Orlando.
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melo is a 3 that can play the 4 much like lbj. when he wants to he can really harass 2's, 3's, and some 4's on defense. truth be told he needs a no-nonsense guy like byron scott even better doc rivers. although george karl had him playing great defense before his unfortunate leave of absence.
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But why would the Bulls trade for him when they can get him at no cost (other than the contract) in the summer? It's kind of like how Milwaulkee rented CC for a few months before he inevitably went to the Yankees.
I was initially putting it in context with your scenario of fire sale desperation by Denver. First I think the Bulls and Bricks are probably the only two teams 'Mello signs any extension with at time of trade. The Knicks might initially be a no-go since they are pretty sure they can get him next year without giving up something this year. I think the Bulls are a team that can get real deep into the play-offs this year with him and would be able to give a little "right now" value back. (Maybe then it becomes a bidding skirmish between the Bulls and Knicks????) The Bulls probably have more to offer (maybe something like Gibson, Deng, Johnson + picks) than the Knicks (who bty, can't afford to lose out on "you-know-who" and 'Mello). But again, this is using the "Denver gets Desperate" scenario and willing to do a deal w/ the Bulls without Noah. Just my $0.02
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I thought Melo was a SF ... and would Denver really want to take on Boozer's contract? By the way, I don't think there's really much of a chance of this happening ... but to quote Lloyd Christmas, "I'm telling you there's a 'chance' ".
i've always viewed Melo as a PF. he's a SF much like Duncan is a PF. because the team "says" he is.
but, then you watch the game and Melo is on the block on offense and using his incredible post-up moves and crashing boards for rebounds and boxing out the bigger guys. he may be a "SF" but he plays "PF" (at least to me)
i don't know that Denver would want Boozer's contract, but they might be willing in order to not lose their superstar for nothing.
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We have a better chance of getting Chris Paul than Carmelo. I dont' want Melo. for what? We already had a talented ego maniac who couldn't win a title in seven years. I'm happy to stick with this team and only trade if a long term talent comes along that's worth a trade. Otherwise, let's build this team the right way for the long haul so in two or three years we can win a few titles. 
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both Melo and Paul have come out and put themselves in the conversation as wanting to create a superteam.
such a team won't be created in Cleveland (unless completely through draft/trade), so no use for either of them.
let's enjoy the ride of this season and hope we can get into the playoffs and maybe upset a team to get to the 2nd round. that would be fun.
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Well, being 1-0 was fun while it lasted. I guess we do kind of miss Lebron putting up 30-8-8. I hope he dies a slow painful death. Tonight.
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Cavs couldn't buy a bucket tonight. Refs called the game way too tight both ways, too. Whistles were blowing every 10 seconds.
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not trying to sugar coat a 20 point loss, but we did not have mo as well as andy tonight, ehhhh
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No we didn't, but we still should not have even lost, let alone gotten blown out, by a lousy Toronto team. But they were on fire, especially in the third quarter, and we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. We also had to give up trying our inside game, because we were working the ball inside and getting fouled with no calls early on (strange, because the refs were blowing their whistles for one thing or another all damn game). Once we got into a big hole we had to resort to chucking up threes to try and get back into it.
At least the Cavs game wasn't as unwatchable as Miami-Orlando is. It's four minutes into the fourth quarter and Orlando has 13 points in the entire second half.
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cavs blown out, heat blow out and lakers controlling the Suns (so far)....bad night of bball for my interests
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Losing both Mo and Andy for this game not only takes away from the starting lineup, but also depth, as depth players move up across the board. Players who would not otherwise play wind up playing, and role players wind up playing a lot.
This team needs to be at full strength in order to compete night in and night out.
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I had been out all day/evening - got home, flipped on the TV and it was on ESPN at about the 2 minute mark of the first quarter. Mark Jackson with his droppy dog voice was going on and on about Dan Gilbert, the ankle biter Van Gandy was throwing his opinions in - I kind of wanted to vomit.
There is no singular voice in sports programming that I loathe more than Mark Jackson - I didn't like him while LeDouche was here; now it's about 20 times worse. My God man, drink a coffee, a five hour energy, a Nos energy drink - something.
And Cavs - I know you're not gonna win the title this year, but you're better than last night. Hopefully a bouce back is in order for this evening.
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i love how cavs fans "need to get over it" but it's ok for espn talking heads and lebron himself to keep harping on it.
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Some weird stats for you guys:
Reggie Evans now has 25 rebounds this season without scoring a single point.
Kevin Durant is 22-26 from the foul line in 2 games.
Rajon Rondo had 24 assists in a game. Tied an NBA record with 50 assists through 3 games
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Reggie Evans had two points last night.
Twice in two nights the Cavs have crapped their collective pants in the second half, specifically the third quarter, giving up tons of points while scoring none. Outscored by 14 points in the third last night, and 16 tonight. How you score 67 points in the first half and 36 in the second of a game is beyond my comprehension. The worst part is that Sacramento and Toronto are not good teams.
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if you want the first pick in the draft, those are the type of games you gotta lose.
i really like what i am seeing with sessions. i think as time goes on with byron scott as his coach, he could be molded into a really solid player.
i like hollins too. great boost of the bench.
problem with this team is that a lot of these guys were brought in to be complimentary to lbj, and with him gone, it just doesn't work.
i just hope management doesn't get sucked into the theory that they are one overpriced guy with a bad contract away from being a 5 seed.
this thing needs to be blown up. and i know coach don't wanna hear it, but it's the truth. there are some pieces here, but bottom line is that you're better off with a high pick next year than getting blasted in the playoffs.
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I like Sessions, too. I think he'll be even better as a spark off the bench. Hollins is raw but has a lot of potential, and his size is definitely a plus.
Regarding the draft, 1) we won't be getting a first overall pick. The odds will be overwhelmingly against the chances of that happening. If we don't make the playoffs, which I think we will, we'll have so few draws in the lottery that the chances of us pulling a Bulls/Rose situation are highly unlikely. 2) Getting a #1 overall pick doesn't mean squat anyway, because there isn't going to be a James/Howard/Durant/Rose caliber player out there to get. Forget whatever flavor of the week college freshman is getting hyped this week, he's simply not in the same league as those guys. A high (top 3) pick has to net you a guy who will make a star-level impact immediately.
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Seeing Jamario Moon, and Daniel Gibson taking last second shots is quite a shame. Mo will make it a bit better, but we're a 25 -30 win team right now. Jamison has been a disaster since he's been here. We will be lucky to trade his huge contract for another year.
This franchise is in big trouble. Gilbert has to wonder if he will lose the fans if he goes into full rebuilding. With Mo, Varejo, still here it gives the fans a reason to go to the arena. If we trade them, you're looking at attendence going at 11-12,000 a night. Or you we could be like the pistons and overspend on free agents like Gordon and Vilenueve. None of the stars will sign with the cavs. It's a tough spot to be in.
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Id say you have to think long term, getting a mid level name like Villanueva(sp?) will add some seats and excitement, but if you tank it for a year and get to the 10k cheap night figure for the chance at a super player, youll sell out the arena moving forward.
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yeah i don't want any overpaid guys like villanueva. he may have been a decent piece when lebron was around, but right now it's not a smart move.
tank it for 2-3 years and come back strong.
yes, there is no lebron or durant most likely in next year's draft, but you don't know that.
you still need to add the best pieces to this team possible and the way to do that is through the draft.
just tank it. it sucks, but you have to do it, best interests of the team.
trade jamison if you can, trade mo if the right deal is there, and trade andy if the incoming package is good.
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What would you call a "good package" for Mo or Andy, though? If you're tanking the season for the chance at a high pick, there's no sense in clearing cap space, because you're not going to be bringing in a high-priced free agent. So are you trading for a bunch of draft picks so that you can fling as much crap against the wall as possible in hopes that something will stick?
I'm just not that much of a believer in the NBA draft, I guess. Looking at the top five selections for the 2000 through 2009 drafts, how many of those can you say the top five picks come anywhere close to their draft value? You're not drafting a guy in the top five to develop into a solid piece; you're drafting a star who absolutely must contribute immediately. Otherwise, what's the point? Outside of the top five, its a total crapshoot anyway, so you have to hope and pray that you get that top five pick AND you don't blow it on a total bust (Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, Greg Oden) or a "solid contributor" (80% of top five picks for the past 10 years, excepting 2010 since the season has just begun).
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