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Seems to be a difference of opinion here based on some of the posts. Let's discuss the pros and cons.
Me, I'm in the let him start camp.
Here are the reasons as I see them:
1. For a first start in his rookie year he went on the road against one of the best Ds in the league and played reasonably well. It didn't look like the moment was too big for him.
2. The #1 problem with the Browns since their return is the lack of a franchise QB. The organization should do whatever it takes to find that guy. It's the key to unlocking perennial success for the Browns. Considering the circumstances today Colt at least supported the notion he could be that guy. Let's find out.
3. He showed some excellent accuracy today. Pro-caliber accuracy. 60% completion accuracy.
4. As the game progressed he showed some nice poise in the pocket. Later in the game he really went through his progressions and trusted his protection.
5. He showed some nice wheels. He's not a sitting duck back there.
6. He was playing with the worst set of receivers in the league and actually elevated their play with his reads and accuracy. Hit the guys in stride allowing them to get some YAC.
I really hope Mangini doesn't try to show some veteran loyalty and send McCoy back to the bench when the other guys get healthy. He showed enough today that he is ready to show if he can be the guy.
Could lightning have struck for us in the 3rd round?
We deserve to find out.
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It is very early, but based on today, I would rather have Wallace in there.
No knock on McCoy at all.
Delhomme was a complete waste of money ... I said so when we signed him.
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You would rather have Wallace because?
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1. It's just one game, albeit a very tough one and a very decent performance in it
2. We're most likely going to still see him this week in New Orleans as well
3. IF he shows progress/improvement (and no signs of "shell shock, lol), then we MIGHT see him one more week after the Bye.
Then and only then - IMO - should they even entertain the idea of making a switch for the remainder of the season.
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I want to start McCoy for one reason and one reason only. So when draft time rolls around we aren't sitting on our thumbs. We will know if we need to draft one or if we don't.
Regardless if we should or not I still want to draft a QB. I'm tired of not knowing if we will be good at QB or not. I say if there is any question at all you draft one.
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1. It's just one game, albeit a very tough one and a very decent performance in it
2. We're most likely going to still see him this week in New Orleans as well
3. IF he shows progress/improvement (and no signs of "shell shock, lol), then we MIGHT see him one more week after the Bye.
Then and only then - IMO - should they even entertain the idea of making a switch for the remainder of the season.
What exactly are you afraid of? We aren't going to the playoffs and Delhomme and Wallace are not the long-term answer.
Recent history has proven that sitting a guy might not be as important as getting the guy experience. Several rookie QBs have made an impact in their rookie years and it only sped up their progression.
So what exactly does bringing the other two back in do for McCoy or the Browns long-term?
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I want to start McCoy for one reason and one reason only. So when draft time rolls around we aren't sitting on our thumbs. We will know if we need to draft one or if we don't.
Exactly where I stand.
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I'm not afraid of anything.... but no matter how you look at it, no matter how you slice it - it is STILL just ONE GAME.
Secondly, as it stands right now, either or the other two (when healthy), still gives us a better chance to win.
IF McCoy goes again and acquits himself well, THEN and ONLY then do I believe that this discussion should be had. Until then, I view it as the typical thing we see around here where one player has one decent game and they are immediately annointed.
Slow down, maintain perspective and don't rush something.
You ask me what I'm afraid of... I ask, what are YOU afraid of and what's your hurry?
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And that exactly lines up with my point #2.
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Unless he has a "sophomore jinx" next week and really looks bad, I see no reason to bench McCoy. The guy finds receivers, has deadly accuracy, seems like a smart QB and didn't have the deer-in-headlights look out there for the vast majority of the plays, even when he was pressured.
He already looks more like a QB than Wallace and Jake is hobbled... even if Jake isn't, keep ridin' the Colt so we can see more.
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Think big picture.
I might agree with you if we were in the hunt. We're not and we aren't going to be.
You're thinking more short-term. I'm thinking more long-term.
Let's do what we have to do to solve the QB problem. Everything becomes easier after that.
Considering the situation and the opponent, he showed enough today to possibly be the answer.
Let's find out if he is.
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I want to start McCoy for one reason and one reason only. So when draft time rolls around we aren't sitting on our thumbs. We will know if we need to draft one or if we don't.
Exactly where I stand.
Yea, what he said.
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Am I trying to be a better person?
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And the perennial QB controversy begins...
I still say you let the kid learn from the bench for the rest of the year. He has had game action, which has given him a taste. We have rushed into these decisions way to often. Do it the right way. Let him sit and learn and then declare the team his in the offseason if he has shown you enough in practice and in the film room that he deserves it. However, I would elevate him to 2nd string so as to get him the reps in practice he needs.
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He didn't look scared. Start him the rest of the year. Seems like he can handle it, so might as well see what he's got.
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From a story in the Plain Dealer tonight: Quote:
You can argue that McCoy completed seven of 11 passes for 125 yards and one TD after Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau called off the dogs. But the Steelers are not easily impressed, and they gave McCoy his props.
"He's going to be a good quarterback," said linebacker James Farrior. "He didn't have all his weapons and he came out of it all right."
Tomlin said, "He showed some innate things that I'm sure they're excited about -- and they should be."
Browns guard Eric Steinbach said, "He was awesome. From Wednesday on, he took leadership and command. He carried that demeanor right into the game. He's a natural-born leader. If he's our guy from here on out, we can build off what he did."
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I wonder if Steinbach is speaking for all the players.
Interesting quote.
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His play was better than Delhommes and about on par with Wallaces. Only difference is that McCoy can only get better. His accuracy was better than any QB we have on the roster.
I was all for sitting McCoy but he played a pretty good game against the toughest defense he's going to face all year.
I know it was only one game but I say let the kid play, he has earned a shot imo.
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One other point I forgot to make.
7. Arm strength. Other than a deep out it didn't really seem like there was a throw he couldn't make.
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I love McCoy's willingness to take control and not cower in the face of intense pressure.
This guy came in today and, after the initial jitters that comes with ANY rookie playing their first game, looked like he had been in the NFL for years. He, unlike Brady, Charlie, and Timmy, came in and wasn't an emotional mess and made great decisions with the ball.
Savage tried to sell us on Frye then Quinn having "it". Neither of them did. Holmgren/Heckert/Mangini never said a word about McCoy having "it". This dude has the "it" factor, other wise known as composure.
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If Delhomme starts another game for the Browns this season Mangini should be fired. I'd be happy to let Colt start from here on out.
As for Delhomme, I seriously hope the front office is discussing putting Delhomme on I.R. for the rest of the season.
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Why not, he showed some promise today and it's not like we have anything to lose. Lets see what he has. 
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If Delhomme starts another game for the Browns this season Mangini should be fired. I'd be happy to let Colt start from here on out.
As for Delhomme, I seriously hope the front office is discussing putting Delhomme on I.R. for the rest of his career.
Much better after the fix... 
Delhomme was a mistake from the beginning. Giving a headcase 7 million to play was just a foolish decision. His true impact, from here on out, will be what does he do to help Wallace and McCoy grow.
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"I think we've found our QB". That's what I said when the game ended. Unless the OL breaks down completely, which I cannot see happening, I think he should start the rest of the year. Hell, he almost made those sow's ears into silk purses. Imagine what he might be able to do with another good RB and a couple of above average WRs. I also have to agree with PhilDawson.....DelHomme oughta be our 3rd stringer from here on out. I hope Ratliff is thinking about a coaching career....... 
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Think big picture.
I might agree with you if we were in the hunt. We're not and we aren't going to be.
You're thinking more short-term. I'm thinking more long-term.
Let's do what we have to do to solve the QB problem. Everything becomes easier after that.
Considering the situation and the opponent, he showed enough today to possibly be the answer.
Let's find out if he is.
I'm thinking all pictures... however, you are thinking solely the long-term picture based upon a singlular performance with some very mixed results.
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What are all the pictures?
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i think he should, but i am also in the group that thinks eric mangini should get some leeway with this team.
but if he thinks he could lose his job. he's gonna start one of the other 2 because he'll lose his job developing a young qb.
while colt looked good at time stoday and looks promising, let's remember that there will be an adjustment period, there is one one full game tape of him for study by teams we play, and he will probably struggle at times.
eric mangini may feel that he has to put the best guy out there, even though the best idea may be to let mccoy develop and don't worry about the record at the end of the year.
although i guess you could also argue mccoy might save mangini's job, when you look at what bradford is doing in st louis, while mccoy isn't bradford, bradford is still a rookie playing well. (he looks really really good, happy for stl)
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If Delhomme starts another game for the Browns this season Mangini should be fired. I'd be happy to let Colt start from here on out.
As for Delhomme, I seriously hope the front office is discussing putting Delhomme on I.R. for the rest of his career.
Much better after the fix...
Delhomme was a mistake from the beginning. Giving a headcase 7 million to play was just a foolish decision. His true impact, from here on out, will be what does he do to help Wallace and McCoy grow.
Agreed. Delhomme needs to be a mentor from now on. Hopefully he realizes this and takes it in stride.
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Before today I would have flipped if I read this post. Especially after the dreadful preseason he had.
After today? Not so much.
The big reason for that is because he wasn't shell shocked. He passed the eyeball test. Against the Steelers...THE STEELERS!
When Charlie Frye played the Steelers his rookie year, he was an absolute deer in the headlights. Totally lost. Yes, Colt threw 2 picks and could have thrown another one, but he didn't look shell shocked.
We have to remember this: Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye's first starts were both good as well, and we all know how those two turned out.
I want to see improvement week after week. I want him to continue to have the unfazed look.
He's definitely earned another start. That much I know.
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I am sure he will start next week, and perhaps beyond.
There was a lot of pressure in the first half. The first half involved a lot of short passes.
The second half he looked much better. The passes were generally accurate, and although he does not have a huge arm, accuracy trumps arm strength every time.
He fared much better than expected given that Cribbs and Mass were out. I wish they would put Moore in the gameplan. He just does not play enough. This is not a knock against Watson, it is a statement that the Browns need to adjust their personnel.
I liked what I saw. Neither interception can be viewed as a terrible pass.
He looked better than in any of the preseason games.
The Browns are going nowhere, I would not mind if he played the rest of the season.
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We have to remember this: Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye's first starts were both good as well, and we all know how those two turned out.
That's just it. Their first two starts couldn't touch this one.
There was just something about his play. I'm not going to see he has "it" but he looked the part much more than the other two.
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What are all the pictures?
There's your rosy one where he's all that and ready for anything and we roll into the sunset with him as our starter for the rest of the season, everyone and everything else be damned.
Then there's the one where next week he may fall flat on his face and you now have to figure out which performance is the aberration.
Then there's the one where this season, no matter how bleak - is NOT over yet. And to throw it away for one single player is a pretty damned crappy consideration for the other 52 on the roster just because "I want to see what he has".
We're all but guaranteed to see him again next week in New Orleans... there's no way they're going to rush Wallace back with the Bye to follow.
IF Colt continues to impress and IF he gets to the point where the argument can be made that he gives us the best chance to win, THEN the conversation should be had.
If he cannot TAKE the job, then your questions come Draft time are already answered, aren't they? As is any argument as to whether or not he should start.
Like I tried to say above: He looked good - for a rookie, but it was just ONE performance, and it wasn't all rosy.
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We have to remember this: Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye's first starts were both good as well, and we all know how those two turned out.
That's just it. Their first two starts couldn't touch this one.
There was just something about his play. I'm not going to see he has "it" but he looked the part much more than the other two.
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Frye and Quinn had a much better start in their first game. I looked it up.
Then again, Quinn played the worst pass defense in the nfl in Denver and Frye played Jacksonville and got sacked 5 times.
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You would rather have Wallace because?
a) at the moment he looks more capable of managing the game
b) if there's something in McCoy, there's no point in trotting him out there right now. Little to no good can come of it. Yes, he can gain experience, but he can also get hurt/regress into poor habits ... we're not winning more than 4-5 this year. Be smart.
Whether he is The QB or not remains to be seen ... but we're in no rush to find out. We're a-ways away from being ready to determine who our QB is/should be.
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One other point I forgot to make.
7. Arm strength. Other than a deep out it didn't really seem like there was a throw he couldn't make.
But the deep out is a pretty important throw. It looks like the Browns have really been working on his mechanics. His arm is stronger than it was at Texas, but it still isn't good. However, we haven't seen enough of him to make any real judgments there. He wasn't forced to make many challenging throws today as far as arm strength goes, so we'll see.
A word of caution: Today was one game. While Colt showed many good signs, it is much too early to say he's a legitimate quarterback. Even Quinn had a decent game or two.
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We have to remember this: Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye's first starts were both good as well, and we all know how those two turned out.
That's just it. Their first two starts couldn't touch this one.
There was just something about his play. I'm not going to see he has "it" but he looked the part much more than the other two.
I know what you're talking about. Much of it is because it was on the road against the #1 defense in the league and it didn't phase him. It was the eyeball test.
Near the end of the game he wasn't afraid to keep slinging it in a situation where the Pittsburgh defense usually feasts.
Charlie Frye was launching deep balls his first start too though. Quinn protected the football his first start but dinked and dunked his way to good stats. Many of Colt's throws were hard earned. I know Colt's 1st INT isn't on him but we still can't have 2 INT's.
We shall see, but one thing is certain: I want to see more.
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What are all the pictures?
Got to say he looked pretty good out there at times. He also looked not so good as well. Against the Steelers that's a well above average showing. The Steelers generally make everyone look bad.
I'd like to see him against the Saints so that the other two injured QBs can get healthy and then we see where we are after the BYE week.
Im 50% with you and 50% with Prp.
Let's see what he can do against the Saints. I'm mildly excited to see what he does next.
But this is only one game and Quinn/Anderson/Holcomb/Couch all had games much better than what was on display from McCoy today.
I'm going to want to see much more, but this is a start
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i think he should, but i am also in the group that thinks eric mangini should get some leeway with this team.
but if he thinks he could lose his job. he's gonna start one of the other 2 because he'll lose his job developing a young qb.
Holmgren's cart is hitched to Colt (no pun intended) more than Mangini's, considering Holmgren pulled rank to draft him. It won't look very good for Holmgren if he faults Mangini for playing a guy that Holmgren hand-picked and it has less than desirable results.
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I know you think you're smarter than everyone else but don't twist my words, take them out of context, and try to label them as "rosy". The message I've made is pretty clear. I was impressed with the young man today and think we should continue to see what we have in him.
I really don't see what sitting on the bench does for him or the team based on what he was able to show today considering the circumstances.
I am interested in the long-term at this point. I don't see much upside in worrying about the short-term.
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I am in favor of him continuing to sit.
I did notice that early in the game he would tuck it in and run and as the game progressed he ceased that and looked downfield to make a play. That says something.
Even still, I like what Seneca brings, he's a vet and proved just as capable if not more so.
What's the hurry in playing Colt? You think he will sour on the bench?
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You would rather have Wallace because?
Because he's way better right now? and you play to win the game?
God, I knew the McCoy homerism would be flying high after looking at his inflatd stats....but here's the bottom line: McCoy did not manage one single scoring drive when the game mattered...the TD drive was a vanilla gimme, whole different D playing there, the FG was Haden's pick....0 points in 3,5 Qtrs, that's what I saw
Now, he was ok but you saw a lot of bad things too in an already dummied down playcalling, he basically was on a 1 read and go-run style out there (or at least that's what he did all game) to protect him...and he still managed to get sacked 5 times...he threw off his backfoot a lot, simply hate it, reminds me so much of Quinn, simply hate it even when better QBs do this (Romo and Favre come to mind...but they have their share of horrible plays doing this, don't they? and McCoy simply doesn't have the arm to do this)
My biggest fear came true in this game....fans, who want to believe in a better future no matter what looking at stats and thinking McCoy deserves 1 or 2 more years of "development" delaying finally drafting a true franchise QB in the Top 10...those homers will only boost MH's ego and decision to pull rank...this could be a disaster...Colt "The Hobbit" McCoy is NOT our future, please don't got there...well he could be "tried out" because he "didn't look soooo bad" but then our future will look more like the same...didn't we say and do the same things and waste time after Frye and Quinn games? Can we ever learn? Please?
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