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I agree with you, but I still think that UNLESS its seneca who is basically 90 or 95% healthy .. or we know Jake is 100% healthy in the body ANNNNND the head ... I would move forward giving McCoy the next 2 weeks to prepare with the first team for New England.
I mean, yes he looked bad his first preseason game ... but he has really only had about a week and a half to two to prepare to run ANY style of offense with the "1's" .. and he has already had a lot of progress. At this time Im leaning more towards "we have nothing to lose" by leaving him in.. especially if the other guys arent fully ready to go.
Are we out of the race? Actually no ... but we definately need to move forward one game at a time and leaving Colt in as the starter seems more beneficial than having a liability in if seneca and jake arent fully healthy.
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I like Jones over Green.
For this team.
AJ Green might be the better receiver, but Jones would fit in better with this offense, IMO.
I like Greg Childs from Arkansas. I think he is a good fit for this team and is a good route runner to go along with good hands.
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Well JD & Wallace have two weeks to be ready so speculating on who will/should be the starter against NE is premature.
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I really enjoyed seeing the posts from those pretender-football-experts before today's game. Colt, the defense, the offense, the special teams, and the coaching staff really made cutiepies out of you today. Sorry they couldn't have lived down to your expectations.
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Well JD & Wallace have two weeks to be ready so speculating on who will/should be the starter against NE is premature.
I agree with you .. not trying to speculate ... but what I am saying is a combination of 1. don't rush those guys back ... and 2. McCoy hasnt looked bad .. but hasnt looked great .. so if there is even a chance that he will play the next game as it stands now ... he should be getting a TON of reps with this offense ... he needs it and so do they with him
But for that matter ... Ratliff also needs to be working a ton with our offense .. becuase as it stands we are 1 play away from Brett Ratliff starting ..
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Well JD & Wallace have two weeks to be ready so speculating on who will/should be the starter against NE is premature.
I agree with you .. not trying to speculate ... but what I am saying is a combination of 1. don't rush those guys back ... and 2. McCoy hasnt looked bad .. but hasnt looked great .. so if there is even a chance that he will play the next game as it stands now ... he should be getting a TON of reps with this offense ... he needs it and so do they with him
But for that matter ... Ratliff also needs to be working a ton with our offense .. because as it stands we are 1 play away from Brett Ratliff starting ..
All things being = and Wallace is 100% I think I would rather see Colt come off the bench and not the other way around, because we don't want to screw this kid up by yo, yoing him in and out.
A game or two on the bench is not always a bad thing, once you have gotten your feet wet.
He will observe the game differently then he had prior to his experience.
I just don't want the kid to feel like he needs to be the teams savor this year.
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I like Jones over Green.
For this team.
AJ Green might be the better receiver, but Jones would fit in better with this offense, IMO.
I like Greg Childs from Arkansas. I think he is a good fit for this team and is a good route runner to go along with good hands.
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I like Jones over Green.
For this team.
AJ Green might be the better receiver, but Jones would fit in better with this offense, IMO.
I like Greg Childs from Arkansas. I think he is a good fit for this team and is a good route runner to go along with good hands.
I am glad someone brought him up...He really impressed me as well. If we can grab him as well as a decent Vet FA....I think it could go a long way.
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The New England game would be four weeks for the two high ankle sprains to heal, about the minimum time. Colt should have almost all the practice reps.
I was thinking, if we use Django-math and take the last six minutes from last week's game, since they don't matter anyway, and add them to this week's stats, then if you average the two games McCoy's game stats would about equal Wallace's average game.
I haven't seen any dangerous tendencies developing, instead he seems to be improving a bit. This week he did not NEED to pass for the last 6 minutes, actually most of the last half. No fumbled snaps, no QB fumbles, no "pitches to nowhere", no delay of games, no pre-snap timeouts, no INTs this week, no "happy feet".
Six week's healing time gives us two more games to see what Colt has got. After that, unless he really goes downhill, ride him for the rest of the season. If we can pick off one of the next two home games, we have five very winnable games before finishing out at home against the Ravens and Steelers. Wildcard here we come! 9-7 baby!
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I"m just hoping they don't rush Delhomme or Wallace back in.. that High Ankle sprain is a killer.. hard to heal from.. Takes time.,
As long as Colt is holding down the fort as he has the last two games, I'm not the least bit in a hurry to rush Delhomme or Wallace back in.
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I'm in complete agreement with the assessment on Colt.
The kid dropped back 17 times yesterday and went 9/16 and what I like is that he has high expectations for his passing game. He isnt afraid to show emotion when a WR or RB makes a mistake (i'm remembering the two times Vickers made a mistake on his hot read and Colt seemed upset).
What i like most about him is that the game isnt too big for him. Colt McCoy just played against the Steelers and Saints on the road and is 1-1 and played two very solid football games. I look at the kid and think that he is our best chance to win right now and should play.
Seneca plays well enough for us to be in the game. He isnt going to win and he isnt going to lose a game for us.
Delhomme could win a few games for us, but hes going to lose more games...
Colt McCoy wins us games with his decision making and his composure as a QB. He didnt lose it last week, and he didnt lose it this week.
All things considered, he is playing like Seneca Wallace but with more composure and more leadership in our offense. Wallace is good sure, but we're a better team with Colt. I saw a fired up team for the first time this year yesterday and I think a lot has to do with Colt. When he is on the field, everyone on the offense seems to be held more accountable and thats what leaders do.
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You can bet that we won't be rushing those QB's back before they're ready, they'll get ALL the time they need.  Last week I was excited and optomistic after the Pitt game, now I'm becoming a believer, this kid is light years ahead of where most of us thought he could be at this time. Colt might not have lit up the score board but he did exactly what was expected of him in this game, imagine what he might become with some real weapons? The only thing that concerns me is him dropping back in the pocket looking downfield in an all out blitz, he needs to be able to roll out of that if he doesn't have a quick read on those plays. But hey, he still finished the game with a better QB rating than Brees. 
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I think we can all agree that McCoy is at least as good as Delhomme because he takes care of the ball.
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If you go with the 6week heal time then McCoy's first 4 is
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What a tough start!!! If we had lost yesterday half the people on the board would be talking about how he only threw for ??? and we didnt move the ball. Since we won, everyone is reflecting on his composure. I would love to get Luck next year but McCoy is a keeper. We let him grow and get him some weapons he'll be a lot better.
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If we had lost yesterday half the people on the board would be talking about how he only threw for ??? and we didnt move the ball. Since we won, everyone is reflecting on his composure.
We raced out to an early lead and because of the circumstances the Saints never really challenged that lead.. there was no reason to force him to try to do any more than he did... IMHO that is real smart coaching when you can beat a real good team AND protect your young QB all at the same time..
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His composure is really surprising to me, though i'm not sure why because he had it at Texas...
He really looks like a leader in the way he commands the huddle and runs the plays. With that said I'm not sold on his skill set. It's tough to tell without some WRs out there to help him. He threw a lot of underneath stuff, but did fit the ball into a few trick spots. Only had one deep ball that resulted in an PI. Will be interesting to see how he grows...
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just another way of noting how tough a first 4 game stretch Colt might start his NFL career on: Peter King's top3 teams plus the defending Superbowl Champs (who of course Colt beat): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/wr...k-week-7/2.html
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just another way of noting how tough a first 4 game stretch Colt might start his NFL career on:
Peter King's top3 teams plus the defending Superbowl Champs (who of course Colt beat):
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/wr...k-week-7/2.html
Not at all sure it's fair to say that Colt beat them, but I guess technically, it's true 
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So you are saying he is Charlie Nagy???
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For this game I guess you could say that...
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Hard to really say anything about Colt one way or the other about Sunday's game.
We only had 212 yards of offense.
68 on a fake punt. Which puts us down to 144 yards of offense.
And it seemed like we didn't really give Colt a chance to make plays, either.
If there's one negative to take from yesterday's game, it's that I think we over-protected Colt yesterday.
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We didn't need to.. we also didn't give him a chance to make mistakes.. Imagine what would be going on today if everything else was equal but Colt flung two INTS that gave them scoring chances and momentum.... I'm not for protecting Colt to the extent that it costs us games but if we can win without making him do a lot, at this point, I'm all for it.
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I don't care that we over-protected Colt, because we won.
I'm just saying, you can't really judge anything about Colt's game yesterday because he was being held back so much.
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Not at all sure it's fair to say that Colt beat them, but I guess technically, it's true
no moreso than those that said Colt lost to the Steelers
he's the QB, he gets more blame, so I'm just making sure he gets some extra credit 
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Instead of griping about McCoy's numbers, you need to look at the complete job of a quarterback. There is a lot more to it than the numbers.
Colt was astute enough yesterday to assess the situation and recognize what he needed to do -- and then he did it. He needed to manage the game and make sure the team stayed focused and didn't make silly mistakes. He didn't need to set individual rushing and passing records yesterday.
If the game were ONLY about the statistics determining the winner, NO would have stomped our backsides. They had a lot more yards than we did.
Colt did what he was supposed to as the team leader. He doesn't have to be the super star every game. Some days are for other people. In those times, his job is to manage and lead to provide what those people need in order to be the star. When the time is right, he will get his day. Believe me, he WILL get his day.
Keep him in!!
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He'll learn more on the field than holding a clipboard. Our line is good enough to protect him so the concern that he'll get broken like Couch is minimal, existent but minimal.
By the end of the year we will know enough to either try and draft a QB high next year or draft other needs.
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He'll learn more on the field than holding a clipboard. Our line is good enough to protect him so the concern that he'll get broken like Couch is minimal, existent but minimal.
By the end of the year we will know enough to either try and draft a QB high next year or draft other needs.
I'd like to see the right side of our line play a little better... they got blown up a few too many times for my liking.
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I don't think that at all......
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9-7 would be great but there is no way that sniffs a wildcard in the AFC. There are currently 8 teams in the AFC at 4-2 or better, plus a Miami team at 3-3 who should be 4-2 if not for the refs giving the Stoolers a gift. There's a good chance an 11 win team gets left out of the playoffs if things continue the way they are.
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He'll learn more on the field than holding a clipboard. Our line is good enough to protect him so the concern that he'll get broken like Couch is minimal, existent but minimal.
By the end of the year we will know enough to either try and draft a QB high next year or draft other needs.
Hopefully we will, but I do agree with you quite a bit
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Colt has been a decent game manager. Doesn't seem to rattle like Jake. I am impressed after that HUGE quality W. Colt Fever, y'all. 
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If we can pick off one of the next two home games, we have five very winnable games before finishing out at home against the Ravens and Steelers. Wildcard here we come! 9-7 baby!
9-7 would be great but there is no way that sniffs a wildcard in the AFC. There are currently 8 teams in the AFC at 4-2 or better, plus a Miami team at 3-3 who should be 4-2 if not for the refs giving the Stoolers a gift. There's a good chance an 11 win team gets left out of the playoffs if things continue the way they are.
Seems to me that the Browns control thier own destiny here. They beat Cinci, they had the Ravens beat until the 4th quarter on the road and Pitt is pitt and the Browns did well in that game with a ton of injuries to starters, a rookie QB, on the road.
We can see Cinci is not the jugernaught they were last year and if the Browns beat them on the road and win both the final home games against Balt and Pitt, then correct me if I'm wrong but we win the AFC North title and are "IN" the playoffs even if we lose out until the Cinci game.
Personally I think the team is getting a fire under thier belt and will win one of the two games coming out of the Bye and then we get 4 teams that are not playing as well as the Browns are before we take on the final 3 divisional games.
So in the imortal words of Jim Carey "So you're saying there's a chance!" Yes there is slim or not.
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Seems to me that the Browns control thier own destiny here. They beat Cinci, they had the Ravens beat until the 4th quarter on the road and Pitt is pitt and the Browns did well in that game with a ton of injuries to starters, a rookie QB, on the road.
We can see Cinci is not the jugernaught they were last year and if the Browns beat them on the road and win both the final home games against Balt and Pitt, then correct me if I'm wrong but we win the AFC North title and are "IN" the playoffs even if we lose out until the Cinci game.
There's just one small thing wrong with that master plan......the fact that the Stillers are 5-1 and we are 2-5. That's a big hole to climb out of with the schedule we have and their schedule. I see the Stillers finishing 11-5 or 12-4 and if we win out ( ) we are 11-5.
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I don't think I'll ever be "impressed" with a simple game manager. Dilfer was a decent manager. We still don't know if Colt is a starting QB or a decent manager until the starter gets put back in. I said this before, a quality backup is very valuable and we may have 2. The Saints game told me nothing except that coaching doesn't want to give him too long a rope yet. We'll just continue to watch and see what comes of it. While "poise and confidence and the respect of your OL" all matters, nothing matters more than production. In this offense that means pulling a rabbit out a hat but I at least need to see something fuzzy and soft coming out a hat. So far it's just been that poise, confidence etc. All good stuff but not what really really matters yet.
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You have a point, we don't know if he is any more than a good game manager..
I have a feeling we are going to find out however
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I will agree about the watching, and agree he doesn't have the body of work needed or age to be declared the starter. But if those same intangibles you are writing off just happen to be The Fix, then why fight it? I am not pimping him to start. A game manager who is effective NOW might be exactly what we need. Those great backups you treasure may be injured now. I am not looking at this as a permanent solution; but a good solution, yes. I have JD at #3 currently. A fair and open mind must consider the possibility that this is for now our starter who gives us a better chance to win. Also, a number of folks seem to see his skills and game presence as ahead of what they expected. Not disagreeing; he needs more, fer shure. But to shrug off all the good and not give him credit for some great things he has managed just dings him unfairly. I will pull for him when I see him against the Patties.
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Does this game give Colt the starting Job for the remainder of the season based on two games?
This is what I would do..first I would place JD # 3 and just forget about him.
Right now he's too fragile and I doubt mentally he's there .
I would start McCoy until Wallace is 100%.Now there is where someone needs to be in Mangini's mug and tell him not to trot a half healed QB on the field.
Once Wallace is good to go,play him .
Now this is where most will disagree with me.
Come draft time,I'm getting the best QB I can;a QB I know can start and not have these same ???????? about ability.
Then I go from there,and continue to develop McCoy.
Not gonna talk about receiver because everyone knows this team needs a # 1 deep threat to throw to..but I'm after a QB now,regardless of any impressions McCoy is giving.
Since MH likes to draft a QB every year,it should a plan to get the best one they can.
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All good stuff but not what really really matters yet.
Let's not forget that CM is coming into this gig as our third string QB this year. Nobody thought we'd be down two QBs. CM wasn't supposed to even see the field this season. Nobody should be expecting to see the next Drew Brees at this point in his development.
I know you said we'll have to watch and see what happens with CM, but to say what he has shown to date "doesn't matter" is simply wrong. There have been plenty of rookie QBs with better players around them for whom the game was simply too big for them to handle. So far, CM has demonstrated that the game isn't too big for him and that he can handle the pressure of starting. Give him some better players and more experience and THEN let's see where we are.
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