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I know we need help in the wr area but if we have a top end draft pick how would our backfeild look with ingram from alabama or james from oregon to mesh with hillis? i wasnt happy with the hardesty pick because of his past problems with injury and i feel we could get a quality wr via free agency. What is everyones thoughts on this?
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James is a runt 5'9" and 180 pounds soaking wet. Playing in a gimmick offense. No thanks.
Quality WR's without the headcase factor are rarely seen in free agency. And even if they are they have to decide they want to play for the Browns.
I'll take Julio Jones over Ingram right now just based on needs.
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Depends on who we'd grab from FA...
If we could get 2 of: Mike-Sims Walker, Jacoby Jones, Steve Breaston, Davone Bess, Sidney Rice or Vincent Jackson ... then I say they'd turn their attention elsewhere, as you'd be able to draft another project WR without too many problems.
Given that SD will have to also sign Gates and Malcolm Floyd, it's very likely that Jackson will a FA next year.
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I think we have a couple of capable RB right now. I do see a need at WR, but I think we can pick up 1 or 2 capable WRs in free agency. I don't know that we need a "star" ..... just guys who can get open, catch the ball, and move the chains would be a huge improvement. If I am running next year's draft. I am looking at the areas you cannot get in free agency very often, those being a franchise QB, a strong pass rushing DE, or a strong pass rushing LB. I would also look Safety in the 2nd or 3rd. I also think that it's still rather early to be discussing next year's draft. 
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Do we need to spend an early round choice to do as you suggested? I think we could get an adequate backup in later rounds. We really need to fill some positions once before we start looking to spend early round draft choices on back-ups where we already have one good player.
I think we need to spend our drafts, trades, and money on getting what we need before we start on what we want. Spending a high draft choice on someone to relieve Hillis would be a luxury.
Hillis needs more than 20 carries per game to perform at his best. Spending a high draft choice for another running back would be very expensive if you want to still maxinize Hillis' skills.
Now if you really want to replace Hillis. that's another question entirely. I don't want any part of a plan like that.
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I would put RB in the same category as QB ...
... something that will likely need to be done eventually, but now is not the time.
I would classify the most dire needs as WR and S.
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I would classify the most dire needs as WR and S.
Don't forget RT. That will boost our running game and hopefully make our passing game better too (I dunno, our WR do suck, Stuckey is the best of the group, or else Ben Watson.........)
Notice: I do know Ben Watson is a TE, but either way, he, Peyton Hillis, and Evan Moore are the best receivers on the team
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Hard to say where we might draft. We might lose out or we might rip off 5-6 wins to finish out...each week we keep looking a little better.
That said, I doubt we look at a back early in the process.
Overall I like the BPA, but we are getting to the point we are pretty good in some areas and not so good in others and may seek to bolster those areas even if it means reaching down a few picks.
I would think, in no real order the teams has to be thinking in terms of:
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Hard to say where we might draft. We might lose out or we might rip off 5-6 wins to finish out...each week we keep looking a little better.
That said, I doubt we look at a back early in the process.
Overall I like the BPA, but we are getting to the point we are pretty good in some areas and not so good in others and may seek to bolster those areas even if it means reaching down a few picks.
I would think, in no real order the teams has to be thinking in terms of:
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LB/pass rush
At this point I tend to agree.
Looking back I don't think Mangini ever expected B. E. to turn out to be the headcase that he did. I think he fully expected him to be the #1 WR and selected two highly talented (at least in college) #2's to complement him. Just didn't work out that way. I really do not see a need to look at running back as we have plenty of workhorses now, thier just injured.
That being said let's all sit back and watch the year play out first. We can sart rebuilding the team in our own ways starting in February.
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we're not touching a rb in the draft.. WR and O-line is our need on offense.
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Between Hillis, Bell, Davis and a returning Hardesty next year IMO the RB position is not an area of need.
While it would be nice to have a beastly tackle, I'm not certain it is an area of dire need. Let's watch and see how Yates and Womack perform today.
The OL has been steady all year in spite of the injuries.
the WRs need to get open and we need a pass rush.
1. WR
2. DL
3. difference making LB
Problem with predicting any thing now is if we continue to lose we will be picking high in the area where a franchise QB can be selected.
b/c of our record draft threads will crop up.
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I know we need help in the wr area but if we have a top end draft pick how would our backfeild look with ingram from alabama or james from oregon to mesh with hillis? i wasnt happy with the hardesty pick because of his past problems with injury and i feel we could get a quality wr via free agency. What is everyones thoughts on this?
it's been said a million times that you can get a decent RB in the later rounds and we do have Hillis and can probably pick up another back in the offseason as a FA signing.
Right now, we are weak weak weak at WR.. if we don't add some downfield threats that whoever we have as a QB can use, we aren't going anywhere..
So, I'm saying,, we need to go WR in the first if we don't find ourselves in need of a QB.
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I would think, in no real order the teams has to be thinking in terms of:
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Agree totally and probably in that order. But then again every time someone (in the FO) is asked about our WRs they say they are satisfied with what we have.
That could indicate that they don't think that our WRs are terrible but that the coaching isn't getting everything out of them. Who knows?
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We need a speed back and preferably one with great hands and one without a dozen knee and ankle injuries. This team has to get faster at the skill positions.
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Well to be fair to the FO, we didnt need receivers because the qbs we have had either had no accuracy, couldnt read the defense or couldnt see over the tackles to the outside to see if a receiver was open.
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I think that was true last year, for sure.
But blaming the QBs this year is slightly out of the realm of reality, don't you think?
Delhomme has disappointed for the most part but, honestly, I didn't like it when he was signed. And saying he can't see outside or read a Defense is just not true. (Not that you're saying that specifically about him). He is what he is.....a backup that we signed as a starter.
Same with Wallace, really. He actually has played pretty well, I thought. He can't throw a long sideline pass to save his life but other than that he has been a pleasant surprise, IMO.
I still think the jury is out on the coaching staff, especially Daboll.
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Right now my top needs for the Browns are as follows:
1. Quarterback - Sure, Colt showed some signs, but based on his college film and only one pro game, I'm not willing to bet on him.
2. Wide receiver - The Browns have the worst wide receivers in the NFL. There is no one who can stretch the field, and no one with huge playmaking ability. A.J. Green or Julio Jones is the man here
3. Outside linebacker - A pass rusher is desperately needed. I have a hard time seeing Benard as an every down player, and he hasn't been dominant rushing the passer either.
4. Defensive end - Robaire and Coleman are getting old, and both are average at best. Rubin is a piece along the defensive line, but other than him, the unit needs entirely reworked.
5. Safety - Elam is terrible. Ward should be good, but he isn't great in coverage and likely never will be. A coverage guy is needed.
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We need a speed back and preferably one with great hands and one without a dozen knee and ankle injuries. This team has to get faster at the skill positions.
Well, I kinda thought we had that with Harrison, but we traded him away. then I thought maybe Cribbs but that's really not the answer.. then I remember,, James Davis..
I'd love to see what he's got.... maybe he's the answer, maybe not...
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See daman thats a big problem in itself. Harrison was one of our fastest players on O and the guy is not fast. He is a 4.6 or slower type of back. He was quick, he was shifty but he wasnt fast.
Cribbs is another guy that simply doesnt possess a great deal of raw speed. He has great vision and patience and he is tough as nails to bring down but in terms of NFL speed for receivers, he is below average.
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See daman thats a big problem in itself. Harrison was one of our fastest players on O and the guy is not fast. He is a 4.6 or slower type of back. He was quick, he was shifty but he wasnt fast.
Cribbs is another guy that simply doesnt possess a great deal of raw speed. He has great vision and patience and he is tough as nails to bring down but in terms of NFL speed for receivers, he is below average.
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I think if we are in the position to get a francise QB and the Coltster proves he isn't the guy then thats the way we should go.Colt just beat NO on the road and the D was very good. We are a much better team and this might be our last chance to draft a Francise QB.
If Colt looks like the guy then we have to get a top line WR like AJ Green,
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I would put RB in the same category as QB ...
... something that will likely need to be done eventually, but now is not the time.
I would classify the most dire needs as WR and S.
Can't agree more! I've always liked best player available in the early rounds, but if there is an equally talented runner and WR then I'd like the WR......
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Most dire WR and DL
But is there a DL out there that we want with top 10 pick? Clayborne, Moffit, Heyward???
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I would suggest we trade down lol ... but we have no idea where we will actually draft .. what players are declaring, what we still need from players retiring, leaving, signing in FA ..
Dont even know the overall needs. This could be a year that we burn a few picks in the draft to try and trade UP and take Luck if he comes out and we want to pry him loose from a team like Carolina or San Francisco ...
If its not quarterback I have also become a fan the past couple years of taking the biggest, angriest, most powerful (but still fundamentally sound) player in the trenches available.
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I would suggest we trade down lol ... but we have no idea where we will actually draft .. what players are declaring, what we still need from players retiring, leaving, signing in FA ..
Dont even know the overall needs. This could be a year that we burn a few picks in the draft to try and trade UP and take Luck if he comes out and we want to pry him loose from a team like Carolina or San Francisco ...
If its not quarterback I have also become a fan the past couple years of taking the biggest, angriest, most powerful (but still fundamentally sound) player in the trenches available.
I think any other year I'd agree with you in general about trading down and drafting high in the trenches--and like you said, we're still ridiculously far away and when the time comes that may very well be the best course of action.
But as much as I hate the "flashy pick," when I look at this team's offensive struggles week in and week out I think it's due to a distinct lack of playmakers at the skill positions. Hell, Hillis isn't even a Top 20 running back and look what an effect he's had on our offensive production. I think that the line is in good enough shape that we can afford to go elsewhere with our first pick--as long as we pick up a RT prospect later in the draft.
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I would absolutely agree with those 3 and its funny, my order changes from week to week... We do need a WR that strikes fear in the hearts of defensive coordinators, we do need an OLB that can just beat his man and get to the QB sometimes without the help of an elaborate blitz and we need to beef up the right side of the OL and add depth.. As it stands right now, I'd try to beef up the OL through free agency as that would not be all that expensive, then I would go WR and OLB 1 and 2 (in either order) in the draft..
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That is why I said no real order because my opinion changes week to week like yours.
Who knows.....but the end of the season possibly one of those areas won't be as big a need?? I am thinking in terms of the WR position. We just picked up Figures and Mithchel is starting to at least get some looks by the staff.
Maybe one of those guys catches fire.....more Mitchel IMO since he doesn't have any real history to suggest he can't do it...who knows....if we start using him he might be as good as TO was.
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RB is so far down on the list of needs that unless we have a chance at the next Jim Brown (and Richardson and Lattimore don't come out this year), I don't want to even think about one unless it's really late in the draft.
plus, we have Hardesty coming back next year (if he can avoid the injury bug), and our OL is good enough that we can make some of the lesser RBs we can pickup look decent.
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Reading this ... I thought of the Bills.
They had a completely fine backfield (serviceable at worst) with fred jackson and marshawn lynch. AND despite having MANY other needs (anywhere except defensive backfield it seems lol) ... they take spiller. Not bashing spiller, but when you only have one or two strengths and anything else is a position of need ... go after something you need.
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We need a WR. Every other position on the field being most dire is debatable. WR is a MUST. If we pick up a FA, draft another in the first round and let MoMass and Robiskie fill the other spots. Our WR corp is looking solid.
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Right now my top needs for the Browns are as follows:
1. Quarterback - Sure, Colt showed some signs, but based on his college film and only one pro game, I'm not willing to bet on him.
2. Wide receiver - The Browns have the worst wide receivers in the NFL. There is no one who can stretch the field, and no one with huge playmaking ability. A.J. Green or Julio Jones is the man here
3. Outside linebacker - A pass rusher is desperately needed. I have a hard time seeing Benard as an every down player, and he hasn't been dominant rushing the passer either.
4. Defensive end - Robaire and Coleman are getting old, and both are average at best. Rubin is a piece along the defensive line, but other than him, the unit needs entirely reworked.
5. Safety - Elam is terrible. Ward should be good, but he isn't great in coverage and likely never will be. A coverage guy is needed.
I agree with the positions, would shuffle it up just a bit, at least for our 1st rounder...I just don't like drafting a WR in the Top 10, let alone Top 5, if that's where we are headed....you can fix WR by just drafting a couple mid-late round WRs and sign an AVG stop gap vet in FA...you can do a lot here with quantity....just draft 2 mid-late and pick up 2-3 Lance Moore type UDFAs and see who sticks/emerges, we should attract the best UDFA WR anyway
For the 1st round my list would look like this
1. QB....absolutely need one, but don't force it..if the Bills and SF take away the best don't reach
2. OLB...our best OLB is Fujita and he isn't a 34 OLB and he's 30+....agree on Benard, he's a nice situational pass rusher but doubt he'll ever be more, gets pushed way to easily on run plays
3. DL....same as OLB and the "Fujita" here is Coleman and he ain't as good as Fujita....absolutely need 1....only have OLB higher because I there are good mid round 34 DEs in very draft
4. WR....would prefer 1 of the positions above in the 1st if there is a prospect closely rated but if a WR is the BPA, take him
5. FS...would make both SS and FS better...good position to take high in round 2, most of the time you get a Top 3 FS still sitting there unlike other positions...if there's a Nata Allen next draft in round 2, take him
That said, I'd be happy, position wise, to have a draft like this:
1st QB
2nd FS
3rd DE/OLB or DE
4th DE or DE/OLB or WR (no real diffeence in 3rd or 4th/5th round WR)
5th WR, skill position speed
6th speed or 34 ILB
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We need a WR. Every other position on the field being most dire is debatable. WR is a MUST. If we pick up a FA, draft another in the first round and let MoMass and Robiskie fill the other spots. Our WR corp is looking solid.
I'll take Stuckey, Cribbs, even Moore......... and Robiskie can be gone..
I think we need a legit #1.. (I suppose there is a chance it can still be MoMass but I'm leaning against that now)... Put a stud #1 in there, make MoMass the #2, then let Stuckey and Cribbs get time with Mitchell developing.. Robo is the odd man out.. sorry kid. I don't think that is a GREAT receiving group but it's much better..
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Need a #1 WR. Need at least 1 guy to throw the ball to deep that can stretch the D out. And if we draft top 10 once again, you can justify paying that kind of money if that playmaker is there that you want.
Give Colt at least 1 deep threat w/ our TEs and Hillis, not too bad.
Then shore up the right-side of the OL.
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i know our recievers are bad, and outside of hillis we are bare, but i would still take someone for our front 7.
not saying you guys are wrong, cause i don't think there is a wrong answer here, but i just want that one playmaker on defense. if we can get that guy who can make an impact AND be a leader, i think they can get into the top 10.
i think stuckey can develop too. i like what i see. colt seems to like him.
i love robiskie but come on man. show up. get open. he's got talent. hard to defend him right now though.
my thinking is that it is easier to find wrs out of nowhere than it is guys who can kill on the front 7.
i want that top defense. you need it to get anywhere in the afcn
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