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The players and coaches deserved this win. They have been playing pretty good ball for a few weeks now and finally get to rest on a nice win.
This sets us up in good shape heading in to the Bye week. A week to clear the mind, rest the bruises, and 2 weeks to savor the victory.
Now we head home for back to back home games against the Pats and Jets.
I expect the atmosphere to be electric, and THE Cleveland Browns are finally starting to make a statement.
I really expect some good things the rest of the season.
If this team strings a few wins in a row, watch out. We have a hungry bunch who don't back down from anybody.
I like what I see. What about you??
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A lot of good things happening, that's for sure. However, it's EXTREMELY difficult to win in this league with no offense. I was very disappointed in the pass protection this week, and lack of offensive production in general. We're not going to "trick" our way to wins against the Pats and the Jets. We're playing good ball defensively, but unless someone besides Hillis starts making plays on offense, we're going to be looking at another string of losses following the bye. Don't mean to dampen the spirit of today's win, it was a good one, but the facts remain. Great win today though.  
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This is a team that will fight hard in every game. They had already shown that. Now they got a payoff for their hard work.
They get a week off to recover and recuperate. They can get a lot healthier and prepare for the Pats. If they can win against the Pats .... then who knows?
I don't expect that they can beat both the Jets and Pats ..... but I think they can use this type of defense against both teams to confuse the hell out of the QB. I think that this will give us a chance.
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I don't think we'll beat the Pats in two weeks' time (on the other hand I didn't think we'd come even close to winning today), but if we do beat New England then the 2nd half of the season might get very interesting.
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I love what this team is turning into. Smash mouth football. I think we can all thank Hillis for this physical team. Well not just Hillis, The D is much much improved. We are now getting some good LB play. Ward is a tackling machine and the Dline is in there mixing it up. I like our Oline, RBs and Colt is showing he just might be the guy. If Colt works out and we draft a top WR look out NFL.
Glad we don't have Drew Brees on this team. A lot of guys on here would be wanting to cut him and play Senica Wallace. GO BROWNS
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The worst part about all of this, is the building of optimisum over the next two weeks.
We're all set up to fail miserably against New England.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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We're all set up to fail miserably against New England.
Sheesh, enjoy the day, alright? 
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We're all set up to fail miserably against New England.
man.. we just beat the super bowl champs.. and competed to the end w/ the Squeelers..
We can beat any of the other NFL teams.. ANY GIVEN SUNDAY! especially if our defense plays like they did today.
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The worst part about all of this, is the building of optimisum over the next two weeks.
We're all set up to fail miserably against New England.
Sheesh, enjoy the day, alright?
Oh believe me, I enjoyed the day...
I even lightened up on E.Wright a bit towards the end of the game, when he was at his WORST.
But I'm a natural pessemist...
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New England and New York will, as far as I am concerned, really test the mettle of this team. The following two games, Jax and Carolina are two games I am expecting wins.
If they should have beaten Atlanta or Tampa or KC, then Jax and Carolina HAVE to be must wins.
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To be the man you have to beat the man........We just beat hell out of the World Champions....... Does that mean ????????? 
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I see us competing with New England, but I feel with the defense we played today, Sanchez will be having fits. If we can stop the Jets running game, and introduce Bray bray to Ward a few times, we have a chance to beat the Jets.
I just hope that the team gets healthy over the next couple weeks, and I really hope the coaching staff re-evaluates itself a little. Have a plan for both halves, and try to capitalize on the strengths of our players.
They need to find an offense somewhere in two weeks.
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I've been seeing a lot of good things from this team since the beginning of the season. The defense is always flying around and looking to punch someone in the mouth. I hardly ever saw this type of energy from a Crennel D.
The offense is still a concern but the way these players play they look like they want to go toe to toe with whomever is on the other side of the ball for 4 quarters even if they're getting their tails whipped.
These guys have me convinced that they can win against anyone. They might get blown out every once in awhile. But I mostly believe that every game they play they'll mostly be in the thick of it through the Fourth Quarter.
If they bring this attitude with them through the next couple of years, they will be special to watch.
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introduce Bray bray to Ward a few times
I am salivating over that prospect. If we can beat the Saints, I'd like to think anyone is fair game. But, I can see us giving New England a good run for the money and if we do just what you said about Sanchez, then there could be a win there.
It all depends on how our defense plays and what we have at QB. If Seneca is there, i think the playbook will be opened up. If Colt is still there, we could be playing a little tighter to the vest.
That's what I'm thinkin'
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I've been seeing a lot of good things from this team since the beginning of the season. The defense is always flying around and looking to punch someone in the mouth. I hardly ever saw this type of energy from a Crennel D.
But a lot of people are complaining that we blitz too much.
Under Crennel we didn't blitz enough. Make up your minds, people! I'm in the "throw the kitchen sink at them" camp.
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We're all set up to fail miserably against New England.
man.. we just beat the super bowl champs.. and competed to the end w/ the Squeelers..
We can beat any of the other NFL teams.. ANY GIVEN SUNDAY! especially if our defense plays like they did today.
For the third year in a row with a regular season victory,....
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I've been seeing a lot of good things from this team since the beginning of the season. The defense is always flying around and looking to punch someone in the mouth. I hardly ever saw this type of energy from a Crennel D.
But a lot of people are complaining that we blitz too much.
Under Crennel we didn't blitz enough. Make up your minds, people! I'm in the "throw the kitchen sink at them" camp.
It's not just about Blitz vs Coverage. It's the way they play... the way they hit and tackle. RBs don't pinball off of defenders often. There's a swagger and toughness they project. They don't allow bad plays to beget more bad plays.
Everyone wants to dog on Eric Wright but, I've seen him come back after getting burnt and defend beautifully.
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Wow! Very optimistic post peen, but I agree and like some of the things I see with this current team.
Where we the most talented team today or the most hungry today?
I think the answer should be obvious.
NE and the Jets are not going to be easy teams to beat, but in know way are they un beat able.
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Dont forget though that while we may not be the sexy pick on paper ... each and every week it seems as we are still making steps forward ...
And try to think back to the lows of last year .. when we had 1 win and were getting ready for the last week of the season. When it was basically hopeless because we didnt even beat buffalo .. they just wanted to lose more.
And in not even a full years time since then we have actually gone 6 - 4 .. with two of those wins by 3 points ... and plenty of excuses of us shooting ourselves in the foot.
Dont get me wrong Im not being Woulda Coulda Shoulda ... but I DO think we are really setting this team up for a strong future ... ESPECIALLY by how much we have come in even a single offseason's time!
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Dont forget though that while we may not be the sexy pick on paper ... each and every week it seems as we are still making steps forward ...
And try to think back to the lows of last year .. when we had 1 win and were getting ready for the last week of the season. When it was basically hopeless because we didnt even beat buffalo .. they just wanted to lose more.
And in not even a full years time since then we have actually gone 6 - 4 .. with two of those wins by 3 points ... and plenty of excuses of us shooting ourselves in the foot.
Dont get me wrong Im not being Woulda Coulda Shoulda ... but I DO think we are really setting this team up for a strong future ... ESPECIALLY by how much we have come in even a single offseason's time!
It makes me think what (if) we get a #1 WR [a veteran and a rookie to develop] and Hardesty on offense and maybe a stud DE on defense along with some up grades in the secondary and ILB.
We are taking steps in the right direction imo.
We no longer just expect to compete we are a few good players away from being a good team with an identity fitting of the City and fan base
A RT would be nice too!
Or would that be asking for too much
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If this team strings a few wins in a row, watch out. We have a hungry bunch who don't back down from anybody.
Even if you lose a bunch of games the rest of the year the team will be pumped for next season with addition of more of Holmgrens picks. Don't know if Colt is the answer but with lots of no name players stepping up this season for the Browns you can only be pleased 
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This post is way more optimistic that I usually am, but what the hell...
What I'm loving about this team, and this is something I don't think we've seen since we've come back, is that we are consistently performing to our expectations. Yes, last year in the beginning, after Mangini gutted the team, it was about the worst Brown's football I've ever seen, but they steadily improved and we started seeing wins.
This year started and while we didn't pick up exactly where we left off, we didn't go back to square one either, and then we STILL started improving game-by-game. Under Crennel, Davis, etc, we'd get some wins, but we'd also get these games every other week where you just scratch your head and wonder what was going on... no preparation, no fire from the team, and they'd be downright embarrassing.
To me, that's a huge credit to the coaching staff, and even more credit to the character of the players... shows why Mangini wanted the types of players he wanted on this team. Now, in the short time he's been here, we haven't been able to bring in a lot of players like that that also have a ton of talent... but when we do, well, I think we'll start to see a long-term winner here on the lake.. not a jeckle & hyde team we've had in the past.. but a Pats-like, Colts-like, Titan-like team that's tough as nails and in the thick of it every year.
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Just to throw something out there...
I always worry about the players on the bye week having, say, a bit too much fun out and about the town. Then when you have a big win going into that bye week? - all I hope for is that we don't hear in the next few days that someone did something stupid off the football field.
This team doesn't seem like it's made up of players that will be in the "headlines" but you never know.
Stay smart Browns, stay smart.
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However, it's EXTREMELY difficult to win in this league with no offense.
I agree, yet we did it.
And we did it at the end of last year, too. Yeah, we had production running the ball, but we hardly passed at all.
And people say you have to pass to win, or have to have a lot of offense to win.
Yeah, you can't rely on your defense and ST every game, but, then again, why not? Seems to work for Pittsburgh (defense at least).
Back to the thread, though, I agree with 'Peen. This is a good confidence builder. Let's just use this bye week productively and come out with a great game plan against NE.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Anybody ever notice how bad we are every year in the game after the bye? Against NE no less... I'm expecting us all to come back down to reality in a big way. I'm still working on the assumption that we're looking at 4 to 6 wins on the season and we just got our 1 big upset gift of the season, which we get every year. Trickery will not work against the Pats. I don't think the Jets are that awesome but they still have more talent than we do. I'm still expecting L's for each of these. As someone said, hard to win with no offense.
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I always worry about the players on the bye week having, say, a bit too much fun out and about the town. Then when you have a big win going into that bye week? - all I hope for is that we don't hear in the next few days that someone did something stupid off the football field.
This team doesn't seem like it's made up of players that will be in the "headlines" but you never know.
Stay smart Browns, stay smart.
good thing for us is that the team beat the Saints. so, if we stayed the night in NO, the town was likely just a few Browns fans and players out and about
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The good thing about the Bye week is it gives you a chance to look back. During the season you grade the game tape, then head to your next opponent.
My hope is we can take a few days to make some adjustment to the playbook, rip out the stuff that doesn't work, and add to the things that have.
No doubt we aren't going to come out and all of a sudden start scoring 45 a game...and we do have to remember we have been revolving QBs a great deal these first 7 games, along with runningback, receiver etc.
Hopefully all of that will settle down and we can start to build a little momentum on O.
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The big thing is giving the guys time to heal. Mass should be back as well as Lavaou, I know ALL of our D-linemen can use the rest as well.
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Anybody ever notice how bad we are every year in the game after the bye? Against NE no less... I'm expecting us all to come back down to reality in a big way. I'm still working on the assumption that we're looking at 4 to 6 wins on the season and we just got our 1 big upset gift of the season, which we get every year. Trickery will not work against the Pats. I don't think the Jets are that awesome but they still have more talent than we do. I'm still expecting L's for each of these. As someone said, hard to win with no offense.
You might be right.
You might be wrong.
Keep in mind, we have 2 weeks to heal up. The coaches have 2 weeks instead of 1 to look at tape on the Patriots, while the patriots are spending this week looking at tape of their next opponent, then 1 week to look at us.
We also have 2 weeks to implement new schemes to deal w/ the pat's.
Trickery should not have worked against the defending super bowl champs, but it did. Doing what we did against them, and being successful at it - puts a doubt in the defenders we will face. When they read something - sweep to the right, for instance - 1 or 2 of the defenders may very well hang back to prevent, oh, I don't know - a pass back to the qb who was "only carrying out a fake".
Keeping the defenders on guard makes them a step slower. Maybe a step slower will help us when we DON'T use "trickery".
Trick plays work in many more ways than simply the play they were used on. It slows the d down - not much - but maybe just enough to give Hillis an edge on a run, or give Colt an extra second in the pocket.
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Aren't we like 2 for 19 in games after big-win games, since 1999? 
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Anybody ever notice how bad we are every year in the game after the bye? Against NE no less... I'm expecting us all to come back down to reality in a big way. I'm still working on the assumption that we're looking at 4 to 6 wins on the season and we just got our 1 big upset gift of the season, which we get every year. Trickery will not work against the Pats. I don't think the Jets are that awesome but they still have more talent than we do. I'm still expecting L's for each of these. As someone said, hard to win with no offense.
How bad we are every year? No I didn't notice.
In fact we beat the Superbowl Champs after the Bye week 2 years ago. The year before that we won against the Rams.
I guess if you count last season as every year then yes you are correct. We suck after the bye every year (since 2009)
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We've had 19 big wins since 1999? 
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Anybody ever notice how bad we are every year in the game after the bye?
2009 lost to Baltimore 16-0.. but then we sucked before the bye too.
2008 beat the Giants 35-14.. the defending super bowl champ Giants
2007 beat the Rams 27-20
2006 lost to the Broncos 17-7
2005 beat the Bears 20-10
I'm not sure your theory is valid...
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Anybody ever notice how bad we are every year in the game after the bye?
2009 lost to Baltimore 16-0.. but then we sucked before the bye too.
2008 beat the Giants 35-14.. the defending super bowl champ Giants
2007 beat the Rams 27-20
2006 lost to the Broncos 17-7
2005 beat the Bears 20-10
I'm not sure your theory is valid...
It felt "truthy"... Don't know why I remember it that way (see quote below  ). Anyway, I will say this, if we manage to beat the Pats or the Jets (face it, we aint winning both) then the next 5 games are:
Jags
Panthers
Dolphins
Bills
Bengles.
Meaning 6 or 7 wins on the season is beginning to look pretty reasonable. I would LOVE to head in to those last 2 games of the season at home with a bit of momentum as spoiler.
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If the Browns were in the NFC I could dream that we would be 7-7 going into those last two games with a chance to not only spoil but potentially get to 9-7 and sniff the playoffs but there are too many 1 and 2 loss teams in the AFC to think 9-7 is going to get into the playoffs, even if the Browns do manage to get there.. but like you I'm thinking 6 or 7 wins is far more realistic.. even optimistic..
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or we could get real greedy and wish we were in the NFC North where 8-8 may end up being enough 
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I have no idea. Honestly, I don't understand how people come up with some of the stuff they do. And I don't mean that in a bad way whatsoever!!!!! No, I had no clue we were 2-19 after big wins.
I also had no clue the last 3 years we beat the defending super bowl champs - the year after they won it.
Part of the reason I read this board - new, zany, good, bad - information abounds.
It won't be long until someone says "IF we kick off first, while at home, with an east wind, we are 19-2, but IF the wind changes direction, we ended up 4-17".
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I hope it's a great set up! The optimistic part of me thinks this feels like that first win of the streak late last year. This was not only a win, but a stunning, fun-to-watch, all-around win. We didn't eek it out in the last few minutes with a field goal off a questionable officiating call, but won it through 4 quarters of solid coaching and playing. This could be a season-sparking momentum shift that may carry to us to several more exciting wins!  But the pessimist in me has watched this franchise find ways to lose for so many years that it's hard to believe that things will ever fully change.  I'm really excited to see what they do with the Pats & Jets. After that, I think every single game remaining on the schedule is winnable - though some will undoubtedly be very tough. I think our D can confuse the heck out of Sanchez with some of what they used against Brees. Brady won't be tricked so easily and they'll both have that NO game on film. sigh...I hate bye week...
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I've been seeing a lot of good things from this team since the beginning of the season. The defense is always flying around and looking to punch someone in the mouth. I hardly ever saw this type of energy from a Crennel D.
But a lot of people are complaining that we blitz too much.
Under Crennel we didn't blitz enough. Make up your minds, people! I'm in the "throw the kitchen sink at them" camp.
the man coverage needs to work in that case
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I am starting to change a bit because I see the team improving.
We also usually play close games with NE. When we have been better, that isn't a good thing. When we aren't....it gives us a shot.
No doubt we can't keep relying on the D every week....sooner or later the O is going to have to win a few games.
Our #1 QB has played one game ( I admit there is disagreement over who is #1) and we have started 3 different QB's.
I don't keep up with all the goings on around the league, but I don't think many teams have been forced to starting 3 qbs....OK....Pitt is one.
Any way you cut it, that isn't good.
It's taken us some time to settle on Hillis, who I do think needs to get a bigger role. He's like John Riggins. Not very impressive until after the game where he chalked up 25 carries, 120 yards and a TD run or two.
Barry Sanders was impressive on any one run, but had lot's of unimpressive runs. Just different types of backs. A guy like Hillis needs to carry the ball. Sooner or later he is going to wear people out and start gaining chunks....Bettis was the same way. You just keep hammering away. Late in the game people are going to slow down just a bit and become a bit shy to have that guy hit you again.
I am telling you we have a HOF type back in this guy if we give him the carries......Riggins and a guy like Allstott wouldn't have been very impressive if they got the ball 12 times a game.....Steven Jackson is another...without 20+ carries, he isn't "the" Steven Jackson.
Without top receivers, that needs to be the focus....and the beauty with guys like that is it doesn't matter. They are still going to gain yards and wear teams down...they don't need seams, they make seams. You are going to arm tackle after getting plowed in to by him a time or two.
No....we can win this next game, and the one after that.
The Browns are on the verge of being back.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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