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this move surprised me. I was hopeful Davis would get a chance and produce. But that all starts in practice, and he must not have been showing much. So maybe that all goes to attitude, if you are generally unhappy about where you are- it affects output. All of this is probably mute point next year anyways- Hillis is a beast and Hardesty will be back.
Mangini isn't opposed to small backs.... I never really thought of Leon Washington as a big back.....
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Maybe Mangini just doesn't like smaller backs who don't have good work ethics, who are injured a lot, or who are inconsistent?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Thats pretty intresting....As for being wrong, been thier before, will be again..
Nice work Tulsa good job, Seems more 6th rounders stick just as mich as 1st rounders...says alot about talent evaluation
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Maybe Mangini just doesn't like smaller backs who don't have good work ethics, who are injured a lot, or who are inconsistent?
Perhaps.But I'm curious as usual.I think the phrase from what I heard was Davis didn't fit the mold that the HC wants..I don't think it has anything much to do with work ethic.
Inconsistant?
Never saw the field during the regular season.
Injuries?
That and probably wanting a bigger back across the board in what I'm thinking.
Hardesy 6 - 225
Hillis 6'1- 240
Bell 6'- 225
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Bradstater - Practice squad
Carey is on IR
Teel I think was waived, might be on their practice squad
Gradner is on the practice squad
Wynn was cut but because of injuries the packers signed himback
Harris I think is on the Bills practice squad - he was cut by the Bills twice
Pascoe was on the practice squad but because of injuries signed to active roster this year
Peerman has been on 4 teams already... currently on the active roster yes, but that's a lot of teams in two years
Henson is on IR
Underwood is on the active roster but is having legal problems and his teammates have said he's been a problem since being drafted
Ellison is on the practice squad
To keep going after the 22
Knull was cut
Hodge is on IR
Ingram is the only long snapper selected in 09 and is still with NE.
Sulak has been cut
Wright has been cut
Painter is still with the Colts - interestingly a Colts fan threw a shoe at him during an interview after a bad pre-season game.
Myers I think is still with the Raiders
McCourty still with Titans
Davis still with Cards
Harris is on the Bills practice squad... the Bills are his fourth team in two years
Edison is with the Titans
Pryor with Pats
Phillips is with the Cowboys but done for the year with an ACL injury
Scott is still with the Bengals
all info from wikipedia.
Interesting stuff... a lot of guys traveling to different teams, lot of practice squad guys...
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Maybe Mangini just doesn't like smaller backs who don't have good work ethics, who are injured a lot, or who are inconsistent?
Perhaps.But I'm curious as usual.I think the phrase from what I heard was Davis didn't fit the mold that the HC wants..I don't think it has anything much to do with work ethic.
Inconsistant?
Never saw the field during the regular season.
Injuries?
That and probably wanting a bigger back across the board in what I'm thinking.
Hardesy 6 - 225
Hillis 6'1- 240
Bell 6'- 225
Clayton 5'11 222
This isn't a coincidence.
It isn't....it's the plan. They don't want small shifty guys. They was big bruisers.
It may not be the plan you or some others would take, but it doesn't make it a bad plan.
As said earlier, it is a higher percentage bet these guys are going to get the 3-4 yards we want then it is the shifty guy is going to break a long run.
This also makes it much easier for the Oline not having to open up holes or seams...just get on a guy and let the back plow forward...and as we have seen, Hillis does get to the edge well enough.
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Isn't a practice squad signing from another team forced to go on the active roster?
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How do we know Clayton is a plodder? He's only played in preseason games (has anybody watched them?) and according to NFL.com he and Davis are almost the same size, both 5'11" but Davis is listed at 218 and Clayton at 222. Davis was never considered fast, heck he ran a 4:58 at the Combine.
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According to an ABJ blurb on their website, we released Figurs and signed Demetrius Williams, an ex-Raven.
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Isn't a practice squad signing from another team forced to go on the active roster?
That's my understanding..
I just checked the roster. Davis is still listed and Clayton hasn't been added, but I bet it's done before the end of the day..
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We picked Clayton off of the waiver wire. He may have been on the active roster, but I don't think that keeps teams from waiving him later on. I'm not sure about this, but I think NE couldn't assign him to their practice squad without placing him on waiver first. I don't know if that was what they were trying to do or not, however.
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we also picked up a WR http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/19472/browns-add-wr-demetrius-williamsThe Cleveland Browns added a receiver who should be very familiar to AFC North fans. Cleveland announced Tuesday that it signed former Baltimore Ravens receiver Demetrius Williams. The team also claimed running back Thomas Clayton off the New England Patriots' practice squad and released James Davis and Yamon Figurs. Williams played for the Ravens from 2006-09 and was cut earlier this year. He showed flashes of talent in Baltimore but had problems staying healthy. But Williams may have a shot to stick in Cleveland, because receiver is one of the team's biggest needs.
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Ahh Mangini's Doghouse, we waive a talented Davis and dump Harrison for a couple of stiffs. that is the cherry to the 09 Mangini led draft. We pick up a guy from the running back starved Patriots and cut a player who has shown promise. Nice.
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the fact that Harrison saved Mangini's job last year along with Cribbs and dude just let's him rot, again, on the bench....how's this for a message?....zero loyalty. He never gave him a real chance this year after Harrison did what he did last season for him....
So it's a "fact" that Harrison and Cribbs saved Mangini's job? You sat in on the meetings between he & Holmgren? You don't know anything about it, so why pretend you do. Harrison had his chances, produced nothing and was a threat to turn the ball over whenever he got his hands on it. What he did last year against scrub teams doesn't matter one whit if me can't gain yards this year and hang onto the damn ball. If he has an attitude of entitlement on top of it, he won't last anywhere, regardless of last year's production.
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just another Mangini "preach TEAM, then go all EGO"...the biggest locker room cancer is Mangini himself...are we going to release/trade every player he can't manage?
You write gibberish like this and lose all credibility. Homgren and Heckert are brought in to "save the franchise", but when a decision is made to lose a non-productive fumbler with a bad attitude, it suddenly Mangini's ego at work. Personnel decisions are likely discussed among the staff, including coordinators, with final authority resting in Heckert's lap. If Mangini didn't want these guys here, then Heckert and Holmgren agreed with him or the moves wouldn't have been made. They didn't get rid of Harrison and Davis simply to placate Mangini's ego. The staff had their reasons whether you feel they were good ones or not.
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it's gotten to a point where it's clear that HE is the problem
What's clear is, is that fans like you, and certain members of the media who spout repetitive, parroted, unsubstantiated nonsense, which poisons the perception of those too lazy to do their own research and form their own opinions, do it for no good reason, other than to belittle the guy to make themselves feel superior about something which they know absolutely nothing. It's a perfect example of the Bob Dillon line, "Hiding what you don't know".
Guys like you go on and on and on about Mangini being an ego maniac, when actions and circumstances clearly show that he is not. Everyone has an ego. EVERYONE. You have to have extreme confidence in your abilities to coach in this league, but Mangini is clearly a decent individual, who is smart, down to earth, has the team playing for him, and has the respect of players who aren't ego driven. He communicates with Holmgren, Heckert and his staff on key decisions, and allows his coaches the flexibility to thrive, grow, implement, and put their stamps on their areas of responsibility. He deals fairly and honestly with the media, and the fan base, and is honestly working his ass off to build a tough, physical, team first franchise. If Harrison & Davis don't fit that mold, then good riddance. We're better off without them. They didn't work out, time to move on. We've lost nothing by getting rid of either one.
You guys love to talk about orange glasses and homerism, but you and others like you are so blinded by your hatred of Mangini, (for only imagined, fabricated or parroted reasons,) that you can't see that the personnel changes made over the past two years have been for the most part positive ones, that have resulted in a better, more physical, more cohesive, more talented football team. Mangini has this team moving in the right direction, playing WELL above their talent level. I am happy to say he's our coach, and can't wait to see how we'll we're playing when we have more actual play-makers on this team, rather than guys who maybe flash during preseason or have a good run against bottom rated teams.
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j/c Wow, didn't expect to read this today. Oh well . . . I was having a bad feeling about Davis because of injury concerns. But to learn that he was actually griping about his playing time seems weird. Guess he didn't pay attention to how it went down w/ Harrison. I'm willing to bet he has more yards as a pro than Hardesty when its all said and done. 
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I was somewhat of a Davis pimp because I thought he could be a real late-round steal for us. Unfortunately, we only have room for 1 constantly hurt RB that shows promise (Davis really didn't even do the latter).
Anybody who didn't see this coming has their head somewhere it shouldn't be. It's a little disappointing, but not surprising.
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Ah, Yamon... gone so fast.
Oh well, we'll always have that end-around for a loss.
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Ahh Mangini's Doghouse, we waive a talented Davis and dump Harrison for a couple of stiffs. that is the cherry to the 09 Mangini led draft. We pick up a guy from the running back starved Patriots and cut a player who has shown promise. Nice.
Maybe Davis can join BMac and Brady Quinn in the UFL .... alongside Coy Francies who is actually already there. 
There are always rumblings of doom and gloom every time we waive someone's favorite player ..... and most times they go away never to be seen again ......
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Isn't a practice squad signing from another team forced to go on the active roster?
Yes...and why we released Davis.
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terry pluto talked about this on his podcast. would encourage you guys to listen. basically said that it wasn't him not liking davis as much as it was him liking clayton more. finally, the staff lost confidence in davis because everytime they gave him a chance, he had some small injury so they lost confidence in his durability.
i don't get the hate. people think he's talented based on what? that 80 yard run against lions 3rd stringers? what did he do when he had a few runs in the league? nothing. not a loss there.
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yamon was purely cribbs insurance for the week. he might've been more had he not tripped over his own stupid feet with his one opportunity. i'm pretty excited about demetrius williams. he was inconsistent for the ravens but he was clearly talented and had deep threat speed. he can help us, if he stays healthy.
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There was alot of grumbling over the Hillis trade too. Everybody was like "Roth is a cast off"... I quit arguing with the people on here that will never be satisfied.
I see the team moving in the right direction. NOT EVERY MOVE WILL BE A WIN, but as long as we keep getting better, I have no problem with WHATEVER Holmgren, Heckert and Mangini decide to do.
I think Harrison was a flash in the pan last year. Davis never done a thing to make me miss him. So I say keep shuffling the pieces as fast as possible until we get this right.
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yamon was purely cribbs insurance for the week. he might've been more had he not tripped over his own stupid feet with his one opportunity. i'm pretty excited about demetrius williams. he was inconsistent for the ravens but he was clearly talented and had deep threat speed. he can help us, if he stays healthy.
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It's encuraging to see our FO hard at work continually making moves to better this team.
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Thanks for the research. I started doing it because the numbers seemed off.but I just couldn't find the info quickly..
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Ahh Mangini's Doghouse, we waive a talented Davis and dump Harrison for a couple of stiffs. that is the cherry to the 09 Mangini led draft. We pick up a guy from the running back starved Patriots and cut a player who has shown promise. Nice.
Will you ever learn 
First Quinn was the second coming, then we got a Ham sandwich in Trade for him, and now all the love in the world for davis who hasn't proven anything at this level.
Man, I don't know if clayton is better or worse, but it seems to me that all you ever do is try to find ways to beat on Mangini.
You and Django,, I'm betting you two are the same guy
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well they actually worked both guys out last week and went with figurs, likely because of the cribbs injury. now that he's ok, williams is the guy and i really hope he can help. if he doesn't see the field when we play after the bye, we know he can't. a momass/williams tandem isn't that bad, assuming no drop-off by williams.
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Ahh Mangini's Doghouse, we waive a talented Davis and dump Harrison for a couple of stiffs. that is the cherry to the 09 Mangini led draft. We pick up a guy from the running back starved Patriots and cut a player who has shown promise. Nice.
As a side note ... this move accomplishes a few things.
1. This gives our team a chance to learn something valuable about the patriots in the next 2 weeks before we play them. If we can outscheme them, Im fine with it.
2. We have already seen the mold of running backs that this team wants. Why have a scat back who can show "flash" when we know the field will be covered in snow in (in all likelihood) about a month? Heck, with the weather coming through now, maybe 2 weeks.
2b. I cannot WAIT for any team to pay us the last 6 weeks of the season and have to say "Great, we made it to the second half in the freezing rain .. and Hillis is starting to wear down ... didnt want to have to tackle a 255 pound back for another quarter in this 10 degree weather ... who else they got? A 200 pound scat back like Jerome Harrison or James Davis? ... Oh wait .. they have a 225/230 back in Mike Bell .. and a 225 pound back in Thomas Clayton ... great."
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j/c.. having nothing but bruisers on this team only hurts one way...  on Madden.. URGHHH!! Davis was my favorite back w/ a speed of 93, and Harrison was right behind him at 92... Thanks Gini.. But i'm all for someone who can hit the hole hard and move d-lineman and lb's backwards... that philosophy works, especially towards the end of games in the 4th quarter when you need those 1st downs, but also to keep the clock running.
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Our starting WRs combined have 17 catches for 176 yards and 1 TD. Our 3rd down WR has 21 catches for 213 yards. I think that it's fairly obvious that we need to upgrade the outside spots. I would have preferred trying to trade for 1 of a couple guys ... but who knows? Maybe they did try and just couldn't make a deal? Williams looks like another body to try out. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe we hit another gem from the waiver pile. We've hit with a guy like Roth already .... so maybe we can get one on offense as well.
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That Ham sandwich just happens to have a better passer rating too.
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That Ham sandwich just happens to have a better passer rating too.
Now see, that right there was FUNNY 
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J/C i was wondering what all the complainers were going to spend their time on during the bye week after a huge win. oh no, we cut a former 6th round RB who weighs 218lbs for a former 6th round RB who weighs 222lbs. Obviously, the world is ending and Mangini is showing his iron fist. how dare we  and the funny thing is if Mangini really was calling the shots and didn't want any character issues, why would he have us sign Clayton who had to transfer from FSU to KSU because of issues and was suspended games and eventually benched because of more personal issues. I mean, if you have character issues at Florida State and Kansas State (both renowned for 4th and 5th chances), then obviously you are a high-character guy that the media has us believe are the only ones Mangini will allow to be signed
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yea, i'm just hoping  that said, he was worked out by vikings and rams prior and neither team signed him. if it's a lack of commitment, hopefully he sees this is his last chance. if it's a health issue, nothing we can do there but you're right, we definitely need to try to find better players.
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OMG not JAMES DAVIS!
My favorite player.(he was that RB right?)
There are hundreds of James Davis's around.Some of them can actually stay healthy.Coaches have no time for players with bumps,bruises,strains and pains.When your number is called you better be ready to go,or you will eventually be gone.
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I remember thinking Williams was pretty promising when he was first with the Ravens. Obviously he sputtered out.
Anyway, anyone else think that Clayton was brought in for some spying. He's been with the Patriots the whole season. Who do we play after the bye week? The Patriots.
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Williams imo is better than robo and if he can stay healthy probably on par with massa, i don't think talent was ever and issue with him as it was health
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it's definitely a benefit but i think they truly like the player. he was on our practice squad first, afterall.
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That Ham sandwich just happens to have a better passer rating too.
Now see, that right there was FUNNY
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