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lincoln Winslow recovery will take monthsType of knee surgery isn't always successful By Patrick McManamon Beacon Journal sportswriter INDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated. Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab. The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful. Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage. The procedure takes 30 minutes (according to Wikipedia) and is performed arthroscopically, but it requires the patient to use crutches for six to eight weeks and prohibits strenuous athletic activity for four months. Although some athletes -- notably basketball players -- have come back as good as new, some football players have not. Former NFL running back Terrell Davis' microfracture surgery did not help him, but his was a last-gasp operation. Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown had microfracture surgery and was never the same. Carolina Panthers running back DeShaun Foster has come back well, but a teammate, receiver Patrick Jeffers, did not play again. In basketball, Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns and Jason Kidd of the New Jersey Nets are among those who have played at a top level after microfracture surgery. That Winslow needed the procedure showed what he played through last season, when he tied a Browns record with 89 receptions. Winslow continually said he was playing on one knee. Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end. The injury and procedure are just further damage to a knee that Winslow wrecked in a motorcycle accident in May 2005. He also suffered from a staph infection after the surgery to repair a torn ligament in the knee. Winslow came back to play well last season. He conceded that he will never be what he was before the accident, but he contended that 90 percent of him is better than any other tight end in the league. General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday that the team expects Winslow to be back full-go by June or July, which should make him available for training camp if his knee responds. Savage, who did not detail the microfracture procedure, said it's not known whether Winslow will take part in the team's June mini camp.
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I had this surgery done on my ankle. I was shocked when the doc said non weight bearing for 6 weeks.
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Scary thought...we went from simple cleanup work to potential long term effects.
Nothing left but to just look for a FA Tight Agent as insurance.
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I love how they act as if the only health problem CB ever had was his knee. 
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So much for "just a knee scope."
I hope for the best.
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"Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end."
Although Pat kinda glossed over this fact,it speaks volumes to me.It tells me of the excruciating pain KW went thru,not just to play football,but to carry on in everyday life.It tells me of the amazing fortitude KW possesses,to not only play,but to complain when he's not playing enough.It tells me that finally after so many failures,somebody got a 1st round pick right.If ever,there was a kid that I would have on my team,he is it.
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No doubt the kid is tough, but he kind of owes us one. Had he not hurt his knee, he would be the most dominant TE in the game right now. As much as I harped on Butch about drafting a locker room "cancer". This kid was worth all the hype.
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Although Pat kinda glossed over this fact,it speaks volumes to me.It tells me of the excruciating pain KW went thru,not just to play football,but to carry on in everyday life.It tells me of the amazing fortitude KW possesses,to not only play,but to complain when he's not playing enough.It tells me that finally after so many failures,somebody got a 1st round pick right.If ever,there was a kid that I would have on my team,he is it.
It's why he's my favorite Brown, no question.
I wish everyone on the team had the intensity and passion he does.
I'm not gonna say soldier for political purposes, but the guy truly is a warrior to make it through the season like that.
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Nothing left but to just look for a FA Tight Agent as insurance.
Steve Heiden is more than servicable. 
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I agree, I love Heiden, and want to see more of him.
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Just goes to show why character is an important factor when considering the selection of a player.
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Not to take a tangent but, it's interesting that you would say that in light of the bungles troubles these days. Taking it another step further, I read an article yesterday about one of the HoF selectors making the case that he wants the HoF to consider the candidates entire resume and not just their football career and he's thinking about proposing that. This was after the Michael Irvin selection.
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he wants the HoF to consider the candidates entire resume and not just their football career and he's thinking about proposing that. This was after the Michael Irvin selection.
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TOAD...
i really don't get your remark...
are being immature and not thinking through the impact of your decisions character issues?...not even close, IMO...character issues are things like lack of integrity, poor work ethic, aggressivley bad temper, etc...this guy has never assaulted anyone, he has never dogged it on the field...he made an immature decision...and hasn't made another since, as far as we know...that's called growing up and learning from your mistakes...
Droughns has exhibited more character issues than Winslow...but people love to jump on Winslow b/c he has a bigger mouth than Droughns...
Browns fans are born with it...
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Let's hope for the best, he should be ready and raring to go at the start of the season! 
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Character issues go much deeper than effort on the field.
Let's cut to the chase. Being a punk is a character issue, and both he and Edwards are punks. They both have HUGE mouths and aren't good teammates. They have God complexes which cause them to do stupid crap. That complex may cost Winslow his career, and us a pro-bowl tight end.
Most people consider Droughns to be far less of a character problem than them because he isn't a character problem. Hell, Winslow has never had a DUI, but Steinbach has one for a boat ride with beer. I've had a couple of drinks and driven plenty of times, but I'm not a character problem. Furthermore, do we really know what happened with Droughns? I've had fights with significant others, though they never got physical (at least not on my end ).
There's a huge difference between guys like Steinbach and Droughns and guys like Winslow and Edwards.
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In the case of KW2 this is actually good.
His knee was shot already...worst case scenario is last seasons KW2 is all we will get from him!
At least now he has a shot to get as close to 100% as possible. Before there was none!
The guy shatterred his knee on that friggen motorcycle!!
Micro fracture surgery has come a long way over the last 5 years!!!
As long as we don't hear those ugly words 'Staph Infection" this has good written all over it
Prayers out to you KW2 
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TOAD...
can't agree with you at all, here..
he's a punk b/c he said he was a 'solja' once upon a time?...being a loudmouth is having bad character?...god complex?...L...no need to have evidence for such accusations, i guess...and you can explain away Droughns domestic violoence and DUI charges all you want...the fact is they happened...and the fact is that Winslow doesn't have such serious issues on his resume...he has a dumb decision that hurt himself and this team...that's it...bad teammate?...again, show me...
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winslow is a poltroon....always has been, always will be. And rather than making this statement an absolute I will just state that this is my opinion..this board isn't always about facts dna.....many times it's about opinions alone.
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Yeah, the Soulda crap was a huge red flag. Guess what? It was right on the money. And yes, being immature (ie: irresponsible) is a character concern. Again, it was on the money. He got on a bike and wrecked his knee. Clear violation of his contract, remember?
I'll take a good teammate and good person that got caught doing dumb crap over a bad teammate and bad person that didn't any day.
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agreed BC,
he may not be near the smartest player on the roster, but he has and will show again that he is one of the hardest workers. his knee is like this because he was continuing to leave it all out on the field closing out a losing season when it seemed like nobody else was.
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Scary thought...we went from simple cleanup work to potential long term effects.
Nothing left but to just look for a FA Tight Agent as insurance.
Steve Heiden is more than servicable.
I love Heiden, he's a good insurance policy....but if for whatever friggin K2 is not serviceable, we need another TE, because Dinkins is not it......
Please God, give the Browns a break!!! PLEASE!!
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this board isn't always about facts dna.....many times it's about opinions alone.
I would go so far as to say the board is opinion based at least 85% of the time.
Very few facts get thrown about around here.
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Good Lord, Toad.....could you have a bigger man-crush on a player than you have on Droughns??? I don't see how  Look, while KW2 has had a bigger mouth than he should have in the past I'd hardly call him a punk. He showed me a lot last year, on the field and off. His balance sheet is even in my book. Edwards......yeah, he's pretty close to punk-hood. But he could turn it around. At least I'm hopeful he will. No matter what he's our #1 WR whether you like him or not. And let's be serious. If Reuben was his wife-tossing self and only had JJ's career (rushing) record then you'd be throwing him under the character-bus, too. Sorry, I'm throwing the BS flag on this one.......
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This ain't got a damned thing to do with Droughns, and everything to do with Winslow  Read the reports. Droughns is well-respected by his teammates both on and off the field.
Show me one report that says those same things about Winslow.
Show me one report that says those same things about Edwards.
Yet you try and justify the point by saying you're "hopefull" that Edwards will turn it around. That's actually saying yeah, he's a punk.
Back to Winslow. So it's just his mouth that's the problem? That's what it looks like you're saying. From where I'm sitting, and from everything I've read, it goes WAY deeper than that.
And while we're talking about it, let's not mistake effort's in rehab and on the field with character issues. BOTH players worked damn hard to get back to near-healthy, but BOTH players have huge character flaws.
It sure seems as though it's become envogue to conveniently forget all the character reports on Winslow even before he was a Brown
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That is what I had to tell you the other day. 
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Jump down off your high horse. I didn't question the character of your boy, Reuben. I have no real problem with him. But let's not act like he didn't toss his wife out the front door of his Colorado home, cause he did. Something neither BE or KW2 has been accused of, I might add.
I also did not argue with your assessment of Edwards. I just said I hope he turns it around. That OK with you?
As far as KW2 goes....I stand by my assessment. He had some initial maturity issues but I believe him to be past that now. And I'd like you to produce something with a quote in it that says KW's teammates have said otherwise. Remember, just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it's a fact.
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When you turn it into a situation where you're insinuating that I'm giving Droughns a pass solely because I backed him, damn right I'm gonna climb all over you. You, Diam, Vers, Shep, 'Peen........take your pick. You'd do the same, so don't act like I'm out of line
As noted, I've had friends........really good church-going, give-their-free-time-to-charity people.......who've had their significant others cause a physical altercation. That doesn't make them bad people. I'll again point to the perceived reputations of Winslow and Droughns and note how they are polar opposites when it comes to the respect category. Remember, we're not talking about respecting ability, we're talking about respecting the character of a person. Do you honestly think the players like all the bravado and crap he throws out there? No, you won't ever see a teammate throw another under the bus, especially when they have talent. Hell, you'd be hardpressed to find a negative comment from Pacman's teammates, and there isn't a bigger turd in the NFL. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and his dad was not liked by his fellow Chargers.
I don't have to prove anything regarding Winslow. He's proven that his character concerns coming out of college were legit, just like Merriman.
Setting that aside, I did run across something interesting. This is from a San Diego paper article: Quote:
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Family and friends kept telling Winslow to push away from the table of public opinion, to ignore what was being said or written about him. But the former Scripps Ranch High star couldn't help himself. He had a hunger to know what was out there. Still does.
That's why he turns up the volume each time his picture appears on a television screen. Its why he regularly reviews the “Dawg Talk†message board on the club's Web site, searching out the latest gossip about himself.
“That was one of the arguments – well, not really arguments – but one of the things we talked about,†said Winslow's wife, Janelle, while watching a recent practice. “I was like, 'Please don't read those messages because there's a lot of negativity and people who just don't know what they're talking about.'â€
We talked about how your hubby had character concerns Janelle, and we were right. Maybe instead of telling him to ignore the criticism, you should have told him to embrace it and do something about it. Maybe then he wouldn't be going through all this, and you'd be much, much happier.
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That's hilarious, he actually read what we wrote about him. I am sure if he was reading DTMB, he wouldn't like me too much....LOL Cancer this..Soulja that...
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He earned the criticism's. I'm glad he didn't kill himself, but he's earned the reputation of being an ass. His father didn't help it any either.
Off to lunch.
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guys lets not get confused here ... your mixing things up ... character and work ethic are two SEPERATE THINGS .. u can include work ethic as part of character but their not one int he same ..
its POSSILBE to have a GREAT WORK ETHIC and be able to PLAY WITH PAIN and also have POOR CHARACTER .... and KW2 and braby are the POSTER BOYS FOR THIS ..
I RESPECT the hell out of KW2 and Braby for thier WORK ETHIC and DESIRE and how they WORKED THEIR ASSES OFF to come back from their injuries ... and then KW EARNED even more RESPECT for playing through the pain (prolly with alot of pain killers .. so i aint sure how much pain he ever felt .. but he still deserves alot of credit for what he did) ..
on the other hand they bloth have BIG MOUTHS and are PUNKS ... how do u defend a guy with the history of KW?? the soldja remarks were just the beggining and it hasn't stopped since ... otto .. did u miss his remarks before 3 or 4 games calling out his opponents and then topping it off with saying he was better than gonzo??? WTF is that??? thats BUSH LEAGUE ROOKIE CRAP ... why give the opponent more fodder?? STUPID STUPID STUPID ..
he also deserves some credit for listening to RAC and keeping his mouth shut after being told to .. hopefully someday he will learn that he shoud'nt have to be told not to BRAG ABOUT HIMSELF that this is a PUNK ASS TRAIT ... theres a difference between UNDERSTANDING it and just doing it for the sake of doing it .. hopefully he gets it ..
with all that said Braby and KW are both YOUNG ADULTS and hopefully for thier sakes (and its way more important for them than us .. as living your life acting like an ass means theres things going on that no amount of $$$ can compensate for) .. they will grow up ...
like u said otto .. i hold out hope for braby ... but unlike u i realize that KW has a ways to go and I hold out hope for him to ..
any how fellas it boils down to KW has a GREAT WORK ETHIC and should be applauded for what he did this year as far as that goes ... and he also need to GROW UP and KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT ..
its really that simple guys .. its not like there one and the same issue ...
Autumn .. what does that word u called him mean???
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I almost always agree with your assessments, Toad, but I think you need to cut winslow some slack. He was a punk, everyone agrees, but I really think he turned the corner and grew up. He made a couple of dumb ass comments last year early in the season, and then he shut up and started playing like a teammate. Something finally got to him, maybe one of the vets. But he just shut up and started producing. He's been quality off the field. I think he grew up. I've been listening to his interviews and something about him has changed.
I'll be really surprised if anything happens with him this year. I'm glad he's here.
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Here's where I'm at with that. Maybe he has changed, but it'll take more than a few months worth of silence to prove it. Pacman went a few months without screwin' up, yet here he is again. Edwards has been quiet for a couple of months, and said he'd come out a different person next year. But do we believe him? SHOULD we believe him? The answer is no on both accounts, and rightfully so.
Holding out hope that a player will change is different than knowing what he's been, and we all know (or should know) what Winslow has been.
I've said my peace.
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I hear that. We'll find out one way or the other this year.
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kind of like this, AUTUMN?...
perception of DUI + domestic violence = OK
perception of trashtalking + breaking a motorcycle contract clause = bad...
since TOAD has said his 'peace' (i thought it was peacefrog, not peacetoad?), i'll direct this question generally...
yes, irresponsibility is a character issue...if it's persistent, and not simply a maturity issue...1 irresponsible event does not make one an irresponsible person...as TOAD has eloquently told us in regards to Droughns...Winlsow has shown himself not to be the brightest person...heck, i don't like what i've heard of the guy...but one dumb, irrespionsible mistake doesn't make him a person of bad character...
and DIAM...yes, work ethic IS part of one's character...laziness/work ethic is a controllable mental attribute...that's what character is...it is how we choose to respond to the world around us...
Browns fans are born with it...
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Well if it had been reported that he hit her or even pushed her down, my opinion might be different. The fact is all that was reported is they were fighting over getting a divorce and he showed her the door. The call to the police didn't come from the wife but from his mother-in-law over a thousand miles away. With those facts he has earned the benefit of the doubt to me. If the facts change, my opinion may as well.
I don't drink and wish nobody would drink and drive. From what I know about his DUI is he registered a .08. that's the lowest level you can blow and be cited. There where no reports of eratic driving and he was found not guilty. Do I think he was wrong? Yes. However, I think those circumstances are a little different than most DUI's that I hear about.
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on the other hand they bloth have BIG MOUTHS and are PUNKS ... how do u defend a guy with the history of KW?? the soldja remarks were just the beggining and it hasn't stopped since ... otto .. did u miss his remarks before 3 or 4 games calling out his opponents and then topping it off with saying he was better than gonzo??? WTF is that??? thats BUSH LEAGUE ROOKIE CRAP ... why give the opponent more fodder?? STUPID STUPID STUPID ..
When I said that Braylon needs to shut his mouth and play (when he called out the steelers) everyone said, he is just a competitor, he is emotional, we like that....yaddy yadda
I said that was crap, and that "giving people poster board material was stupid" (were my exact words).
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Microfracture surgery... Ugh. Did anybody hear of this before this article was published? It's news to me. I hope it works out for him. As the article pointed out, the procedure is more common and successful than it used to be, but it is far from a slam-dunk that it will work. We can't afford to lose one of the few playmakers we have on offense.
I'm not one to believe in curses, but man I swear if the Browns didn't have bad luck, they'd have no luck at all.
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