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OK guys. don't laugh, but I need to ask...

I've been out of the video game market completely for about 7-8 years. I'm getting the itch again. I have to ask. XBox or PS3 or even Wii? and why?

My biggest interest in gaming was sports and driving sims, but honestly I don't know what's out there anymore.

also...I do know I want to subscribe to i-Racing.com (PC based). Does anyone out here in DT-land race on i-Racing??

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driving sims,

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Gran Turismo 5 is coming out for the ps3 sometime soon and apparently that's gonna be the best thing since the wheel itself.

PS3 IMO has better graphics than the XBox... GT5 is one of the best driving games I've ever played (I have the pre-view game that came out awhile back). I really enjoy my sports games on it and love the fact that it has blue-ray.

XBox 360 has much better online gaming from what I've seen. They have some really nice x-box only games but I just never got into x-box...

Wii is more of a family type of system. I really enjoy using mine with my nieces and nephews but that's about the only time I play it.

definitely ps3, unless games like halo and gears of war are must haves.

ps3 has durability, great backwards compatibility, blu ray technology, the online has gotten better, and it's still free.

and their exclusives are good as well. god of war, resistance, gran turismo, the show, etc... it's a good lineup.

i still own both but have most of my games on ps3, i got the 360 first, and got it for almost nothing, but i keep it around because fable and halo are awesome.

I'm on iRacing. Ask me any questions you may have.

All depends on how much you play online. If you are like me and play a ton of games online the Xbox blows away the PS3 in that aspect. If its online enabled I will buy it for my Xbox. Then again I play Modern Warfare and Halo for 30-50 hours of online play. If the game is for both systems I generally go for the Xbox because most developers are problems with PS3 ports of games and the Xbox version is usually the better version. Also netflix is amazing as an app which it is for the Xbox and Wii. Its a disc like a game on PS3.

Now I enjoy my PS3 for blu-rays and PS3 exclusives. Online is free for now but on the gaming websites I go to there are some rumblings that PS is going to begin to charge for its live service in the next couple years.

Look at what exclusives are coming out, determine how important online play is to you, and see what past games exclusives you want. If you can go to gamestop or Wal-mart and hold each controller and see which one feels better in your hands (For me its the Xbox). I also am pretty sure the Xbox can do 1080p but the PS3 only does 720P (my PS3 is a little older tho its not a slim)

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Also netflix is amazing as an app which it is for the Xbox and Wii. Its a disc like a game on PS3.

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you no longer need a disc for the ps3 and apparently the app is better than on xbox

http://www.pcworld.com/article/207925/ne...ersion_yet.html

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I also am pretty sure the Xbox can do 1080p but the PS3 only does 720P (my PS3 is a little older tho its not a slim)

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Really?? as they say on countdown, cmooooon man. The ps3 is the one that supports blu ray

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I also am pretty sure the Xbox can do 1080p but the PS3 only does 720P (my PS3 is a little older tho its not a slim)

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You're also pretty wrong

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If you are like me and play a ton of games online the Xbox blows away the PS3 in that aspect.

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Especially if you like getting sworn at by little children. I've heard this a lot but with my limited experience playing 360 online I haven't noticed a difference from my PS3. What is they difference besides having to pay on 360?

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Online is free for now but on the gaming websites I go to there are some rumblings that PS is going to begin to charge for its live service in the next couple years.

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They've also been saying this since the PS3 came out.

just clickin

the hardware differences between the X360 and PS3 have dwindled over the years. PS3 Slims no longer have PS2 compatibility and the new X360s have integrated wireless N wheres the PS3 only does G, but frankly I dont get upset at G speeds unless im transferring files and i dont do that on my consoles. Both do 1080p output now via HDMI, although I think the Xbox can do 1080p via Component and the PS3 only allows P through HDMI (i may be wrong tho)

One pet peeve firstly, the whole games in 1080p on PS3/Xbox is bunk, most games upsample from a lower resolution, Modern Warfare 2 upsampled from a paltry 600p. I'm glad I got the PC version so I could run it at 1200p!!

Id say base the decision on your intent to use bluray if you dont have a player. If you have bluray or dont care about it, and you wanna play online, consider your friends and what setups they have so youll be able to maximize your fun

For all titles that are on xbox and ps3 they usually cater to lowest common denominator. I know for our title we had to cut back on alot of graphics because while the xbox would run it fine, the ps3 would choke on the polys because sony gimped the GPU. Im sure youd run into flip cases in other titles, it all depends on what your trying to do with it. So for games that are on xbox+ps3, their gonna run/look almost identically.

For the record while I think the new xbox controller is much better than microsofts first gen xbox launch controller, im still a sucker for the simple love that is the dualshock (and its sequels) on the PS line.

backwards compatibility is huge for me.

every now and again i need to bust out vice city, or shadow of the colossus, or the original god of war...

or the jaws game. one of the more underrated video games in the ps2 era. there's nothing like destroying people and boats with a shark.

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the new X360s have integrated wireless N wheres the PS3 only does G

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Can you translate that for me?

Nevermind googled it, I thought you were using some weird slang

Both will handle 1080p but since the 360 is DVD9 it will be upscaled and not true 1080p native. But to the naked eye you won't be able to really tell the difference unless you have them side by side on the same brand of TV.

Since the PS3 has Bluray and all of them have HDMI (I believe all 360's are now sold with HDMI port but previously only the Elite had it) it can do true 1080p native programming. But not every game does depending on size of the game and framerates. I just bought Fallout Vegas it is 720p, but Uncharted 2 is 1080p. Depends on the game and other factors.

The 360 has a little more power in the graphics side because it has 512mb of shared ram where the PS3 has 256mb for system and 256mb for gaming. The 360 developers can steal a little more memory to maximize framrates and graphics.

That doesn't mean the PS3 is gimped, there are tricks to maximize the PS3's cell processor but it would require you to make two games, one optimized for the PS3 and one for the 360. Many bean counters at software companies would have to weigh whether doing so would mean more sales or not to allocate the time to literally code two games. Doesn't happen that often.

If the game was made for the 360 first then ported to the PS3 it will probably have some framerate issues. But since the PS3 has closed in on the user base many companies have made the PS3 version first and ported to the 360. From what I've read it has cut dev time down and the PS3 version isn't gimped.

The PS3 rumors of pay to play for online died down a lot when they introduced PlaystationPlus. Plus is a $50/year subscription and it gives you discounted price on the PS Store and you have time exclusives to demo's and you will be accepted into Beta tests for games first. You also get some free PS Store mini games now and then.

But you don't have to have Plus to play any online games.

IMO, the Playstation Network has come a long way since it started in 2006. Live has been around a since the xbox1 so it has had a huge head start. Also throw in that Sony isn't a Software giant. Live is better than PSN, but how much is the question. IMO the biggest thing that Live has over PSN is the Cross game chat. I've been hearing rumors that PSN is going to get it but I've also heard that because of the memory allocation it isn't possible.

The only thing else is Sony can't have the in game music built in to the system because Microsoft patented it. So Sony made some libraries that let the game developer do it, but they have to code it into the game which many times it isn't being done. So the 360 you can play your own music on every game but with the PS3 the game developer has to code the system calls into the game.

As for Netflix, as of Monday October 18th both the Wii and the PS3 got the system app to play without the disc. Prior to that they both needed it because Microsoft had a timed exclusive contract to have the system app. The PS3 version is the best version as of right now. It can do 1080p instant streams as well as the look and feel of the app is great. But the 360 will probably be upgraded soon to this version.

XBox now has ESPN3 available as an exclusive .

Don't know if that makes any difference.

Oblivion was built on the PC first and they ported it to the 360. A year later they brought it to the PS3 and I believe they built it from the ground up because they were having too many issues with trying to port it. Which is also I believe why they didn't want to add the D/L content and Trophies to the game later because they said "We've spent enough time on the game and want to move on".

Final Fantasy VIII was built on the PS3 first. In fact when Microsoft paid the money for game in NA and EU, Square-Enix had to have a second team start immediately on the 360 version because the Crystal Tools (White Engine) was designed specifically for the PS3 initially.

But all I was trying to say was that both systems are pretty much equal. But it requires you to optimized for the system. (Not telling you gage, just making a statement. You being a game programmer and in the industry I'm sure you know a heck of a lot more than me)

When you look at games like Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Killzone 2, they are all 1st party PS3 games you can clearly see the system has awesome graphics power when the game is specifically designed for the system. And they compare (or surpass) graphics wise to games like Gears of War 1&2 on the 360.

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A good example is the Ghostbusters game. Terminal Reality examined the PS3 and Xbox and decided to make it optimal for the PS3 and then work on the Xbox and I think that was a wise decision.

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I know a lot of game developers have came to the same conclusion. At first the PS3 user base was very small so developers didn't want to go that route for 100 -200k sales. But with both the PS3 and the 360 having over 40million units sold that decision is a little easier to make.

I know I read an article back when Burnout: Paradise was being built that EA & Criterion said they were going the PS3 ===> 360 route and after it was done they said it was such a success they would continue.

You can get ESPN3 through a browser for free if you use one of the "partner" ISPs, and/or have ESPN as part of your cable package. I don't think that it works for satellite, IIRC. (via browser)

Time Warner just signed an agreement with Time Warner in the last round of negotiations, so that they (finally) made ESPN3 available to their subscribers. It's complicated though, because it's only those who subscribe to ESPN TV services as part of a package. (which is stupid) However, despite the fact that I personally cancelled my own cable service, I did keep my service at my mom's, so I can now access ESPN3 through a browser. (I don't have a game console)

one note since it hasn't been mentioned yet.

if you do like the Wii but want the more traditional gaming konsole for most of your games; one more thing in the favor of the XBox360 is Kinect (an add-on).

Kinect is basically the Wii without the remote. Uses camera technologies to pickup your body movement and translate it to the screen.

Full disclosure: I may have helped design one of the chips in this system, so I am a bit biased towards it.

Well to be fair the PS3 has the Move which many feel is better than Kinect because you have buttons.

Basically all three now have Wii like motion controls so it's not really a favor for the 360 in any way.

Hey....I thought both Sony and Microsoft said the motion controls were just gimmick and will wear off.....I guess the 70million console sold the Wii has made an impression on them.

It's cool that you designed one of the chips, though.

Ya FreeAgent ports definitely go under lots of re-architecture, I guess I was meaning more simultaneous launch titles. of course if you build it one way then during dev you try for simultaneous launch you'll have to reorganize some structures to fit better :P Sorry, I forgot about those

It definitely happens on occasion though, some game companies play fast and loose with their tech

The XBOX is very much like a PC in architecture with some access to the metal. the PS3 Core system is such a divergence from game development of the past with an emphasis on single core speed. PS3 Games need to be more pipelined to take advantage of the SPUs. This will help all platforms going forward. Top range PC's like the Core i7 run 8-12 logical cores which is more in line with what the PS3 offers. The Cell is more of a bridge the gap with 1 general purpose processor and 8 vector units but with proper design games can utilize those vector units very well.

I want to thank everyone for the input. (I'm still digesting it all.)

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When / if I sign up I will do that.

Again thanks to everyone for all the info.