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A very valid concern. In which case, however, you just cut him loose and let the leadership right the ship... just as in New England, things would return to normal quickly because people could get back to focusing.

Conversely, it costs nothing but a little cash to claim him and try him out. Of course, it would be predicated by a call to his agent most likely to gauge Moss' attitude, but it could well be worth the 8 game rental.


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I won't say "No way" ... but I think that it is highly, highly unlikely we would look at this guy.




Absolutely Un Freaking Beleivable

This is why the Browns haven't won ANYTHING in 15 years!


OH! I don't know, He is only one of the top two wide receivers in the entire NFL since HIS ROOKIE YEAR!

No way the Browns would want a player who might cause them to WIN.
Unbelievable!




C'mon. Really?

There are at least 100 other reasons why the Browns haven't won in 15 years. That's crazy talk.




Crazy talk? Hello, Football Fan, Fan short for Fanatic, Fanatic-Crazy

100 reasons why?
How about if they signed him, it might be 1 reason why they MIGHT WIN


Why doesn't anyone want to see this team Win?
Why doesn't anyone seem to care about the freaking Cleveland Browns anymore?

Lets take a look? Are the Browns 5-2, and and and he's gonna ruin this team ? NO!
The Browns are 2-5 with NOTHING AT WIDE RECEIVER
Momass, Robiskie, together on pace to have 25 or less receptions by Years end?
Look at it this way?

Hey the Browns just signed Randy Moss, I gotta get more tickets.

Hey the Browns just passed on Randy Moss, I better find something else to do on Sundays


Look at it this way, THE BROWNS DON'T NEED RANDY MOSS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY ADRESSED THE LACK OF PRODUCTION AT WIDEOUT BY SO MANY OTHER MOVES THAT THEY HAVE MADE, including

DOING ABSO- FREAKING- LOUTELY NOTHING TO IMPROVE AT WIDE RECEIVER IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.




What are you talking about? Seriously. Randy Moss is NOT the missing piece that the Browns have passed on all these years. And just b/c we pass on him doesn't mean fans/FO don't care. Randy Moss doesn't ruin teams, but he sure does know how to mess things up. Case in point. Minnesota, twice. Oakland. If Randy Moss is not happy, he will make things miserable. Why would you want that? He wouldn't be happy here anyway. So why bother? Yes the WR's are a lot to be desired. But, that doesn't mean the Browns need run out and get Moss.

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We don't need that. Here's a newsflash: We aren't going to the super bowl this year. Not even playoffs. Why bring in a prima donna now? Let's get class players next year




thats a defeatist attitude right there..always expect playoffs until eliminated...

Moss could be that one piece that breaks everything open for us...Moss could lead to us ripping off a string of wins and upsets and getting us into the playoffs with a "chance" at a trophy

I'll take the chance...its an 11 game rental...he just may be the keg we need to really get this O going and maybe get us into the AFC Divisional Playoffs.....where anything can and does usually happen




I know we should always be optimistic, but take a realistic look at the current landscape of the AFC. At this point KC, Indy, Tennessee, Pitt, Baltimore, NYJ, and NE all have five or more wins. Oakland, Jacksonville, Houston, and Miami have four wins and San Diego has three and is only a step away. That's 12 teams with a better record than us. We would probably need to go at least 8-1 to finish out the season to get a wild card, and depending on tie-breakers that might not even get it done.

We aren't simply one player away from being a playoff team, especially not a player that is known to gripe and dog it if he's in a situation that he doesn't want to be in. Somehow I would have to guess if he wasn't very happy with Favre and Brady throwing him the ball, he wouldn't be happy with McCoy, Wallace, or Delhomme throwing him the ball. If we were closer to being a playoff team I would take a look at him, but at this point he'd just do more harm than good.

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You do realize that 2 teams have gotten rid of him in the last 5 weeks, right?




Not really. Childress cut Moss because he got butthurt about Randy's post-game comments about the Pats and Belichick. Childress is also widely regarded as being a total moron of a coach.



Please pinpoint where my statement was wrong.

5 weeks ago, Moss played for the patriots. They got rid of him. This week, his new team, the vikings, got rid of him.

Throw in the vikes getting rid of him earlier, the raiders dropping him...........

But where was I wrong when I said he's been cut from 2 teams in the last 5 weeks?

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maybe Dc..maybe

however I think we could tell Moss:

"look if you come here, you will be the focal point of our passing game..we will throw you balls and give you a chance to showcase yourself as long as you keep quiet....if you play well and like it here at seasons end, we will talk contract, if not you can leave..this is a chance for you to help us win, and a chance for you to showcase yourself for a new contract..what do you say Randy? we will throw you the ball"

thats what you tell him..i think moss would want to redeem himself, and it seems him and rob ryan are pretty good freinds...Ryan may be able to keep him in check, and he would be the focal of our passing game..we could easily throw him 12 balls a game...I think Randy would keep quiet here and help us, and who knows...if we start winning with him he just may want to stick around...that would really help if we draft a 1 WR next year to pair with him..Randy is still the #1 but our 1st rder is #2 i think it could work out for us....I also think Randy would respect holmgren like he did Bewllichik and not making any distractions...

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maybe Dc..maybe

however I think we could tell Moss:

"look if you come here, you will be the focal point of our passing game..we will throw you balls and give you a chance to showcase yourself as long as you keep quiet....if you play well and like it here at seasons end, we will talk contract, if not you can leave..this is a chance for you to help us win, and a chance for you to showcase yourself for a new contract..what do you say Randy? we will throw you the ball"

thats what you tell him..i think moss would want to redeem himself, and it seems him and rob ryan are pretty good freinds...Ryan may be able to keep him in check, and he would be the focal of our passing game..we could easily throw him 12 balls a game...I think Randy would keep quiet here and help us, and who knows...if we start winning with him he just may want to stick around...that would really help if we draft a 1 WR next year to pair with him..Randy is still the #1 but our 1st rder is #2 i think it could work out for us....I also think Randy would respect holmgren like he did Bewllichik and not making any distractions...




Not a chance. Moss is out for Moss. Not that there's anything wrong with that but he's all about winning for Randy. Doesn't matter if it's a pick up basketball game or the Super Bowl, Moss wants Moss to win. He'd be miserable in Cleveland and when he's that way he shares it with everyone. This isn't anything new. He's talented, yes. But very high-maintenance. High-maintenance is not something we need right now.


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this, right here.... more than anything else.

Have you Dawgs been seeing what's being built here?

Hardass.
Blue collar.
Lunchpail.
Smart, versatile, closed-mouth producers.
Role players.
Team.

...and we're in Year One of that philosophy taking hold. Dynamics is tenuous, yo. We're on the "tipping point"... as we've been so many time before since 1999. I'd like to see us finally stick with something past the hard spot.

I believe that Holmy gave Mangini this year to see if it would work. By all indicators, it's actually happening. Guys are playing hard, do it with enthusiasme, and don't care of it looks "pretty" or not. We're knocking heads with the Stools, Ravens, and anyone else who comes our way. Losses have been in the last 8 minutes of any particular game. Wins will come, if we just stick to this currrent course of action.

In my book, you don't fudge with something that's just starting to bear fruit for you... especially on a team that has lacked any sort of identity since The Return. We've 'changed horses in the middle of the stream' so often, Browns fans are used to it... and even crave it- if they don't get instant gratification in a season or two. As I see it, it's the one thing that's kept us in the cellar since we've come back to the NFL. Picking up Moss would be a continuation of that same failed approach.

IMHO, the acquisition of Randy Moss at this time would do more damage to team chemistry, culture and identity than any gameday returns he could possibly bring.

For me, it's a risk/reward issue... and I don't see ONE PLAYER bringing enough good to this team to outweigh the bad that will come with him.

And trust me... the "bad" has always been there with this one. A change of address won't change the basic makeup of the man in question.

He'd do more harm than good in Cleveland.... and Dawgs would be howling for his ouster as loudly as they were howling for BE's departure. He's BE on HGH and meth... and he's not a Cleveland-type player.

Like I said before: This ain't Madden. Personalities have impact... and randy Moss has one bigazz outsized personality.

We don't need that at present... when what we're trying to do is build a basic TEAM.

If we needed one plug&play to complete the picture, I might say yes... but face it- we're still far from that. Randy Moss will not get us to the playoffs... and at this (delicate) point in our team's evolution, would do more harm than good.


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I remember Jerry Rice going to the Raiders. If Moss would be capable of being happy on a losing team like Rice I would sign him immediately. If he wants to sign for the browns... sign him.

Vertical high scoring offenses are by far my favorite football to watch... Air Coryell all the way. I'd rather watch a 54-45 loss than a 0-9 win. Any loss where we throw deep instead of short is at least exciting for me. I know thats not at all down with the loyalty thing, but to me its like a flavor of ice cream. I watch mostly for entertainment but unfortunately I only feel loyal to the browns. How I dread the approaching WCO



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Do I think we'd score more points per game if we got Moss? Yep. No doubt.

Would we regret it by the end of the season? Undoubtedly. Succinctly put, Randy Moss is a feminine hygiene product. There is no other way to say it (well, there is but I'm sure at least one Ref would give me the boot if I did).

Normally, I don't have a problem with a WR that is a prima donna. Mainly because most of the good ones are. Moss is different. He's missing some brain matter, IMO.


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Not really. Childress cut Moss because he got butthurt about Randy's post-game comments about the Pats and Belichick. Childress is also widely regarded as being a total moron of a coach.



Please pinpoint where my statement was wrong.

5 weeks ago, Moss played for the patriots. They got rid of him. This week, his new team, the vikings, got rid of him.

Throw in the vikes getting rid of him earlier, the raiders dropping him...........

But where was I wrong when I said he's been cut from 2 teams in the last 5 weeks?




Ok, semantics. Childress went over the heads of every other decision maker in Minnesota, including the owner of the team, when he decided to waive Moss. It's analogous to being fired from a job not for lack of performance but because an incompetent manager has it out for you.

So yes, I suppose you were technically right, since Brad Childress is a member of the Vikings organization and Brad Childress waived Randy Moss. Happy?

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Do I think we'd score more points per game if we got Moss? Yep. No doubt.




Only if he feels like it.

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The coverage he would draw would open up the other guys. So even if he didn't feel like it he'd probably help.


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On plays where he doesn't even move, he draws no coverage.

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Cleveland Browns don't put in claim on Randy Moss

Wednesday, November 03, 2010, 11:08 AM

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BEREA -- Browns President Mike Holmgren indicated Tuesday the team wouldn't pursue waived receiver Randy Moss, and coach Eric Mangini confirmed it today.

The Browns will not put a waiver claim on Moss.

"I don't think we're going to do that, no," Mangini said.

Moss is expected to be awarded to a team that claims him shortly after 4 p.m. today.

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I'm getting sick of this team's total refusal to address our total embarrassment of a receiving corps. Maybe Moss wasn't the right fit but it serves to me a reminder of how freakin bad those guys are and the fact that we have had a GLARING need at receiver since January (!) and have done NOTHING about it.

What the he** is going on here!?

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Why would we bring him in? Honestly.

Yeah, we need receivers. But adding Moss is not going to make this a playoff team. All he would do is be a negative influence on the young guys we have. Like he was with Harvin in Minnesota.

Why destroy the lockerroom by adding a guy who might help us get to 6 wins instead of 5 wins?



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Normally I would be agreeing with you 100% here, but I don't think Moss is the guy to go after. I just think he's way more trouble then he's worth. JMO


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I'm getting sick of this team's total refusal to address our total embarrassment of a receiving corps. Maybe Moss wasn't the right fit but it serves to me a reminder of how freakin bad those guys are and the fact that we have had a GLARING need at receiver since January (!) and have done NOTHING about it.

What the he** is going on here!?




We don't know if they did their due diligence....but lets assume they did. I would bet MH, JH, and/or EM called Randy's agent and asked if they put a claim for him, would be report to the Browns (and give his all). I would bet Randy's agent said that he wouldn't play for us no matter the situation. So then fast forward to MH and EM saying they aren't putting in a claim.

I think they rather just say it that way then airing a negative conversation about how he wouldn't have played with us.

Of course, this is all my guess. I assume EVERY team did the exact same thing too. Randy's got a list of teams he'll report to and which one's he'll actually try for. I'm betting we're not on the list (heck, 85% of the league isn't on that list).

Remember, when he was in Operation Shutdown mode for the Raiders, it was embarrassing for him and the offense. Nothing worse than having a guy on the field that doesn't want to be there. Trust me, we'd be better off with a 33-year old Darrin Chiaverini trying his best than the current Randy Moss quiting on every play.

I'm not even talking about his attitude in the locker room or what he would potentially do to the young guys. If he doesn't want to play for us, don't put in a claim for him. We don't need drama.


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I think he quit on the play vs New England when he was interferred with ... evidently the person who put this video on Youtube agrees.


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I was watching that game when it happened and was screaming at the TV. Couldn't believe he didn't even try to find the ball (would have been a walk-in TD). The announcers were terrible and kept focusing on the D-PI which really wasn't all that bad (yes, it should have been called, but Randy easily could have gotten through it if he cared)


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I think it was the next play Favre got hurt.


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this, right here.... more than anything else.

Have you Dawgs been seeing what's being built here?

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Lunchpail.
Smart, versatile, closed-mouth producers.
Role players.
Team.





I see a team that has no playmakers whatsoever, has no game changing impact players except Josh Cribbs...thats it....Ward and Haden are good defenders, and we need them..but they haven't proved to be impact game changers yet but its still early for Haden and Ward and they show promise of being good. I think Haden and Ward will both be good.

the rest of the team outside of Cribbs? eh..no playmakers...I see a team with little talent that just tries hard..second place is only worth something in horseshoes...Mangini has a team of choirboys and nice guys who will try hard...not football players...you look at guys like Woodley, Harrison, Lewis, Ngata, Polamalu, etc..those are football players...we have no football players..just a bunch of nice guys who try hard..not selling me on that one.

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So what happened to last year? you know the 09 season...was that just supposed to be taken as all of us just had too much to drink and suddenly we pulled off our best impression of Rip Van Winkle and an entire year was just lost because we slept through it?

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I like the announcers said nothing about Moss letting a ball drop that could have been caught with little extra effort.

Great job by you Aikman!

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I see a team that has no playmakers whatsoever, has no game changing impact players except Josh Cribbs...thats it....




Yep. You're right. Doesn't mean that there won't be some in our future. That's why we now have Heckert. Remember him?

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Joe Thomas
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Blake Costanzo (ST only)
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we do have football players.,, just not enough yet.

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So what happened to last year? you know the 09 season...was that just supposed to be taken as all of us just had too much to drink and suddenly we pulled off our best impression of Rip Van Winkle and an entire year was just lost because we slept through it?




Year one OF IT TAKING HOLD.

As for last year, it was called 'house-cleaning.' It set the stage for this year. I was awake in '09, and saw what was happening. I approved of it, too. We had two "stars" who were major team distractions and about to go FA- so we dumped them. No probs with me... there will be "stars" to grab soon enough. If you can't see past the lack of playmakers enough to see a core of professionals being coalesced, then your myopia will keep you unhappy until we get them. For now, I'm OK with watching better football than we had last year, and trusting H&H to continue the building process this offseason. What other choice do I have?

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My guess is he saw the PI flag, and just plain gave up after that. "Why put forth more effort if I know we're going to get the ball right there." BS


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I'm getting sick of this team's total refusal to address our total embarrassment of a receiving corps. Maybe Moss wasn't the right fit but it serves to me a reminder of how freakin bad those guys are and the fact that we have had a GLARING need at receiver since January (!) and have done NOTHING about it.

What the he** is going on here!?




Total refusal? That's YOUR opinion. Doesn't mean that, that's what's going on.

1st off, you have to look at the big picture. There is a lot that goes into signing/claiming a player than just doing it because you have a need at that position. Does that player fit into what you are doing? Does that player want to play for you? You sit there and say the organization is not doing anything to fix the WR problem. Well. Think about it. Do you really think Moss would want to come play for the Browns? Of course not. So why get all bent out of shape over this?

I love how fans get pissed that they think the organization is not doing anything, when they don't go after a certain player. This isn't Madden. You can't just get players at will. In real life, the player has to want to play for you, and if the team doesn't go get that player, it doesn't mean they are doing nothing.

Making a move out of desperation to fix a problem, doesn't really help the situation.

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With everyone keeping close watch on the fate of Randy Moss, Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Bills are saying that they plan to make a waivers claim for linebacker Shawne Merriman.

And since the Bills sit atop the priority list, they'll get him if they want him.




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I wouldn't put it past the Vikings at this point to put a claim on Moss. That'd be fitting considering all the drama about the team this year.

In case any one cares, here's the current waiver priority list from PFT. Then again, its probably too late for anyone to care as we should know soon where both end up.

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Titans it is.......


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• If 21 other teams take a pass on Moss, the Tennessee Titans, holding the 22nd spot in the waiver claim order (based on an inversed version of the current league standings) will jump on him. The Titans have put in a claim for Moss, and he'd be a logical replacement for the team's injured No. 1 receiver, Kenny Britt, who pulled a hamstring Sunday in San Diego and is expected to miss several games. Titans head coach Jeff Fisher is intrigued with Moss's well-known ability to make catches in traffic, going up for the ball. Britt is just starting to develop similar skills as a big-play receiver.




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wonder if that means Britt's injury is really serious

also, I see that the Titans are putting in a claim, but haven't been able to find anything that says they actually got him. has there been anything definitive yet?


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If this scenario happened and the team was a little further along in development... like say we had an athletic edge rusher, a great RT, A FS that can cover just about anywhere.... and another WR in the mold of Stuckey... and Colt's development was measurably better. Possibly another younger DL-man

I'd be absolutely peeved they didn't pick him up. But at this time, I can't be too upset.

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• If 21 other teams take a pass on Moss, the Tennessee Titans, holding the 22nd spot in the waiver claim order (based on an inversed version of the current league standings) will jump on him. The Titans have put in a claim for Moss, and he'd be a logical replacement for the team's injured No. 1 receiver, Kenny Britt, who pulled a hamstring Sunday in San Diego and is expected to miss several games. Titans head coach Jeff Fisher is intrigued with Moss's well-known ability to make catches in traffic, going up for the ball. Britt is just starting to develop similar skills as a big-play receiver.




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that same article says that the Rams or Chargers will actually get him though

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The number of teams that will wind up putting in a claim for Moss is about four, according to most of the league sources I contacted. Tennessee, St. Louis, Miami and New Orleans would be my best guesses, with San Diego as a potential surprise entry. The Rams, at No. 13, would get the rights to Moss if there are just those four teams, minus San Diego. But the Chargers hold the No. 10 slot and would trump St. Louis if they make a claim.

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I don't think we'll know for another hour or so if any other team put in a claim. I thought the deadline was 3 or 4 PM EST. And assuming claims are reviewed and then annouced......could be after dinner before we know for sure.

If the Titans do get him, that might be cool, if Randy cares enough to put forth an effort.


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If this scenario happened and the team was a little further along in development... like say we had an athletic edge rusher, a great RT, A FS that can cover just about anywhere.... and another WR in the mold of Stuckey... and Colt's development was measurably better. Possibly another younger DL-man

I'd be absolutely peeved they didn't pick him up. But at this time, I can't be too upset.




Even in that case, I wouldn't be all that upset. Mainly because we all know what kind of trouble Moss can bring to a team. At this point in his career, the rewards are not really enough to deal with his nonsense. I would look at other options, or dig deeper in the off season when more, or better options might be available.

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Randy Moss is a Titan
Posted by Mike Florio on November 3, 2010 4:22 PM ET
The man who has been a gigantic pain the the ass can now be a Titanic pain in the ass.

Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean first reported that the Titans have been awarded Randy Moss via waivers. A source close to Moss tells us that the player is expected to report to the team.

The move means that none of the 21 teams ahead of the Titans made a waivers claim. It remains to be seen whether any of the next 10 tried to get him.

And so Moss goes from a team that had Adrian Peterson to the team that has Chris Johnson.

The Titans are off in Week Nine. They play at Miami on November 14. Other teams on the schedule over the second half of the season include the Redskins, the Texans (twice), the Jaguars, the Colts (twice), and the Chiefs.




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NFL.com is reporting the the Bills were awarded Merriman and the Titans Moss.


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Having a Week 9 bye works out well for the Titans and Moss (he gets an extra week to get acclimated to the offense and his QBs). Interesting...


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Thank you sir.

Titans with Randy sure is interesting (if he plays hard of course) especially when they get Britt back.


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