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Having a Week 9 bye works out well for the Titans and Moss (he gets an extra week to get acclimated to the offense and his QBs). Interesting...
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I just added Sidney Rice - its funny that they waive Moss and then on Wednesday Rice is practicing...
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I wouldn't put it past the Vikings at this point to put a claim on Moss.
I don't think the team that waived a player is allowed to put a claim on him.
Moss in Tennessee will open things up for the running game.
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I don't think the team that waived a player is allowed to put a claim on him.
I remember reading a story a month ago that talked about how the Chargers were thinking of re-signing Merriman if he passed through waivers. It made it sound like they couldn't claim him, but if he passed by everyone, they would be interested in keeping him.
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I love how fans get pissed that they think the organization is not doing anything, when they don't go after a certain player. This isn't Madden. You can't just get players at will. In real life, the player has to want to play for you, and if the team doesn't go get that player, it doesn't mean they are doing nothing.
Making a move out of desperation to fix a problem, doesn't really help the situation.
I'm not talking about 1 specific player. I'm not talking about 1 specific incident. I'm talking about more than a year of having a roster totally devoid of top quartile receiving talent and not making an attempt to improve it.
I know that Moss is a punk. But I also know that we are not in a position to not even make an attempt to land some talent. Obviously, there are back-room conversations that we aren't privy to. And who knows what those conversations were, but it appears as if they didn't even look into the guy. And it also appears that they are reluctant to admit that they have a problem at receiver.
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I'm sure that they had an internal conversation about the guy and quickly (like every team in the league except for the Titans, according to reports) decided against claiming him.
Also, just because they are not publicly ripping on the WRs doesn't mean that they think that they are perfectly fine. I am guessing that Heckert doesn't want to give up a draft pick for an older WR on the downside of his career, especially with a potential lockout around the corner next year. Besides, the only guy I can think of who changed teams, beside Moss, was Deion Branch. He would have definitely been an upgrade .... but he's also 31. If there is no play next year, then we gave up a draft pick for a half season rental. I can see not wanting to do that as well.
I'm sure that they know that we aren't winning the Super Bowl this year, so they figure, why not see who develops? If Mitchell becomes a solid guy, then that might help Massaquoi improve further. If not, maybe Evan Moore can play some WR. If nothing else, they'll be able to make some decisions about some of the players they have at WR right now.
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I love how fans get pissed that they think the organization is not doing anything, when they don't go after a certain player. This isn't Madden. You can't just get players at will. In real life, the player has to want to play for you, and if the team doesn't go get that player, it doesn't mean they are doing nothing.
Making a move out of desperation to fix a problem, doesn't really help the situation.
I'm not talking about 1 specific player. I'm not talking about 1 specific incident. I'm talking about more than a year of having a roster totally devoid of top quartile receiving talent and not making an attempt to improve it.
I know that Moss is a punk. But I also know that we are not in a position to not even make an attempt to land some talent. Obviously, there are back-room conversations that we aren't privy to. And who knows what those conversations were, but it appears as if they didn't even look into the guy. And it also appears that they are reluctant to admit that they have a problem at receiver.
Well, for starters, we had holes everywhere. There really wasn't much out there as far as free agent WR's, so there was no point in wasting money there. I don't really think the FO thought the WR's were going to be this nonexistant. Especially after bringing in the veteran QB's. I don't think they are reluctant to admit there is a problem at WR just because they are not saying it. They knew they weren't going to be able to fill everything, so they went hard to improve the defense, and running backs. I'm ok with that. I'm pretty sure they know now that WR has to be near the top of the list of priorities this off season.
As for Moss. There wasn't a chance in hell he was coming here anyway, no matter what the conversation. I'm not sure where the Titans were on the waiver list. But, we weren't the only team to pass on him, for whatever the reason. This organization wants good character, smart, football players. They are not going to put up with the BS. That's pretty much why Edwards and Harrison are gone.
Bringing in Moss at this point in the rebuild mode. Would be a desperation move to fix a problem.
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We just ran off two "super ego's" that had the "Me-first" menality last year to get this thing righted to a team mentality. No single player is bigger than the team.
Now I don't know how much re-building you think a FO can do in one off-season, but for a first year, they addressed a LOT of issues.
I don't think any of us are oposed to upgrading the WR position. Problem being, it has to be the right fit with a young team on the build. It must be a good character guy, a "true" upgrade and at a price that's not too hefty for the services rendered.
Those just don't fall out of the sky. So while I can feel your frustration, we have made a lot of upgrades this past off-season and there will be many more to come this coming off-season. If you look at the overhaul we made in the secondary this past off-season combined with veteran signings that are paying big dividends now, I don't think we need to get into panic mode quite yet.
At least give MH two years to assemble some talent then let's talk about what's left to do. We all know the WR position needs a major overhaul.......even MH. Just give him some time to get the "right guys" in here.
You can't re-build an entire team in one off season.
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I think the real issue is the frustration when it appears we do not go after certain players. Of course, as has been posted, there are probably behind the scenes conversations that occcur whenever a player becomes available. Looking at it from a fan stand point, when players are available and they are signed by other teams we assume that we did not pursue that player. It's not just free agents but trades as well.
I am not saying we should have picked up any player in particular. But T.O. Brandon Marshall, Moss, etc. are just a few of the wide receivers that have become available at some point.For me it is very frustrating seeing players going elsewhere when the Browns have such a need.
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I am not saying we should have picked up any player in particular. But T.O. Brandon Marshall, Moss, etc. are just a few of the wide receivers that have become available at some point.For me it is very frustrating seeing players going elsewhere when the Browns have such a need.
Boldin is really the only WR who has been available that I really, really wanted. TO, Marshall and Moss each have some major issues off the field (which does affect on the field) and Housh (the other 'big' name) has had his game drop off and has been injured the past few years.
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Not to mention the part where once you're talking about a free agent, the player has to actually be WILLING to come play - and live - in Cleveland.
Browns is the Browns
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and live - in Cleveland.
Even I'm not willing to do that, and I'm from Cleveland!
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I forgot about Boldin,he would definately be at the top of the list. I haven't heard much negative out of Marshall or T.O. yet but it may well be coming especially from T.O. if the Bengals keep losing.
Like I said tho it's just a bit frustating. I do think that once in awhile you have to take a gamble on a talented player.
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If it weren't for the past couple weeks, I would say Moss was one of those players you take a chance on. I thought he changed his stripes during his time in NE. He had a couple blips on the radar in terms of off-field stuff, but nothing major. Now this. It seems like he needs a super short leash all the time in order to be effective.
Boldin would've been nice. From what I know, all of his baggage seems to come from the fact that he played (and got paid) behind Fitzgerald.
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Like I said, I know that Moss probably wasn't the right guy. But it just underscores how we've had opportunities to sign some guys and we, apparently, don't even consider them.
I get that we aren't privy to the conversation but the fact is that we SUCK at receiver and we've had opportunities to improve and haven't taken them.
I understand that building a team takes more than a season and I totally get how important team mentality is when you are building the foundation of a team. But I guarantee that if we were to bring Moss in (and I'm just using him as an example here), the team would be totally fine with that.
Maybe passing on every player, regardless of the level of talent, just because he isn't on the current list of Nobel Peace Prize nominees, isn't the best way to evauluate mid-season roster moves. I can't believe I just said that coming from where we've been (with so many personality issues in the last few years) but we have a very solid character team right now and could probably be able to withstand a diva or two right now.
There isn't a single team in the NFL that doesn't have a few divas on the roster.
But I get it. I know the reasons. I'm just saying that it would seem that sometimes the management of this team almost places too much emphasis on squeeky double clean character and maybe they are a bit too stubborn when they could afford to bend a little.
I'd say right now, if there was such a situation where you could break your own internal rules it would be at wide receiver and right now.
Just sayin.
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and tell me honestly how many of us would be pissed if the team came out and said:
"... we've spoken with Randy and he really feels like he's grown from this year and fells like he's in a position where he can really help this team..."
I'm pretty sure we'd all be pretty psyched about that - understanding fully that those words would never come from his mouth about playing for the Browns - or living in Cleveland for that matter.
But bet there are more players out there than we think that would come to a team with the history, fanbase and current management. We are going somewhere right now and that's a pretty cool place to come if you're a player.
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and we, apparently, don't even consider them.
Prove that we did not consider Moss.
Please.
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Prove that we did not consider Moss.
C'mon......unless by consider you mean did we call his agent and talk about Randy coming here you know we didn't really consider claiming him.
Holmgren said as much when asked.
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We are going somewhere right now and that's a pretty cool place to come if you're a player.
I don't disagree, but in my opinion there's going to need to be a heck of a lot more improvement in the wins department before top flight free agents start regarding Cleveland as a desirable destination for any reason other than money.
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yea.. we generally get the guys that other teams don't want.. lol.
If you have no roots with Cleveland, or Ohio, that is the only other reason to come here.. because it's your last option. Some may come here too because they think they have a better shot at starting due to the perception that Cleveland doesn't have talent.
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