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Oh, and Candy... Speaking of Michigan...

I'll be at the Ohio State vs. Michigan game on the 27th. 40 yard line, 12 rows from the field

Ohio State vs. Michigan in Columbus, and in Ann Arbor, they are both on my bucket list.

Since I hate both teams equally, I'll be wearing Ohio State stuff and rooting for them this year. And when I go up to Ann Arbor, I'll cancel it out by rooting for Michigan, and wearing Michigan stuff lol.

But, basketball related...

Today is SUPPOSED to be the day a Kanter decision is announced.

I guess we'll see... .

It came a day late, but looks as if Enes is getting cleared to practice.

Not the decision I was expecting, but all I was told was that "There would be an Enes Kanter decision"...

That's good to hear. I think he's the best player on your team.

Oh yeah a message to buckeye fans. Don't get frustrated if we don't dominate in the regular season. We are built to win a championship like the celtics are in the NBA. It's going to take time to get some of our talented freshmen to gel and get used to bufford at PG.

Oh damn!

Enes Kanter Ruled Permanently Ineligible

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5793192


Sorry Top

He will now be eligible for the NBA correct? Some kind of supplemental draft. There was another UK player (I think UK) last year or two years ago that signed in the middle of the season after being ruled ineligible right?

Just clicking Frenchy

Kent State tips off Tuesday morning at 8am for a nationally televised game against Robert Morris. I am working the night before so am thinking of getting off work and going to game.

King

He should be eligible for the NBA now.

The player you are thinking of is Randolph Morris.

UK will appeal the decision, and a lot of people think we have a strong case to win the appeal.

But, it's the NCAA, and you know how the appeal process really works. However, Dieng from Louisville was ineligible, but then won the appeal.


I understand, if he received a salary, he's ineligible. But, what caused him to be ineligible was $33,033 over 3 years he received for "education". Tutor, books, etc.

That's just a little over $11,000 a year. Most tutors cost between $20-$80 an hour. Let's take the middle of that, and say $50 an hour. And lets say he was tutored 2 2 hour sessions per week.

Then let's assume he was tutored for 3/4 of the year. That's 39 weeks.

$200 a week for 39 weeks is $7,800.

That leaves him with about $3,300 for books for the year.


Again, I'm assuming what's being reported is the REAL reason he was ineligible. But, if that's all it was, he should be eligibile, without a doubt.

i'm sure you know this Top, but for others: the real problem (and why Kanter is likely to be ruled ineligible even on appeal) is that it would open up the NCAA to be the watchdog of all European financial situations that are similar to this.

they would then be responsible for tracking and figuring out any such player from overseas and their eligibility and they would have the Kanter decision to fall back on (lots of seedy organizations over there).

since Kanter's case is borderline, the NCAA rules against him.


personally, I thinks it's bogus as there are plenty of American athletes who receive what amounts to an athletic scholarship in HS as well (see all the top prep programs that recruit guys who cannot even think of affording their real tuition)

Kilicli from West Virginia played for the same club team as Kanter in Turkey.

He was ruled eligible.

well, so long as Stern doesn't fix the NBA supplemental draft to give the Heat Kanter.

uh oh, wait a second....Free Enes!!!!!

Not to the "conspiracy guy", but...

Mark Emmert is the new NCAA President.

Mark Emmert is the former AD at Washington.

Kanter was previously committed to Washington before de-committing and committing to Kentucky....

and the rational person would look up the info on Kilicli (from WVU) and note that he only accepted living expenses whereas Kanter accepted 33K more than living expenses which is why he was ruled ineligible.

now, that 33K went for academic reasons (paying for tutors, books, and school), but the NCAA is saying that is not allowed.

but, the 20-game suspension Kilicli got vs. permanent ineligbiilty of Kanter seems correct on the surface (if they don't go by the fact that American players can get those same type of athletic scholarships)

I understand WHY Kanter was ruled ineligible. I just don't agree with it.

Obviously I'm more upset about it because it involves my team, but I wouldn't agree with the decision regardless of where he played.

And it hurts even more, when a friend of mine, who is a Duke fan goes "If it was Duke, he would have been eligible".

It hurts because it's true. The double standard in the NCAA is ridiculous.

If Kentucky was coached by ANYONE other than Calipari, he would have been eligible, and you know it. THAT is the problem I have.

A lot of your post is pure speculation, and this is coming from a guy who hates Duke more than any of you... but there is a reason we don't know what would happen if this kid went to Duke, because stuff like this doesn't happen to Duke.. trust me, I've been waiting for a good Duke scandal for 25 years, it's just not going to happen, at least while Coach K is there.

coachK has built his reputation and I doubt he takes a chance on a kid like this because it isn't worth it to him or the program in the long run.

coachCal has a different reputation and it isn't going to be further sullied by such a media firestorm.


and I hate Duke too.

See link above...

Calipari had a Final Four vacated for Camby taking money from an agent.

Duke is the 1999 runner-up and Maggette admits to taking money from an agent, and NOTHING happens.

yes, but, like I said, coachK has built his "reputation"

Kanter's $33K from everything I read was known. so, coachK would have had to accept the media firestorm that he knew was coming. i doubt he does that.

the Maggette situation surfaced 'after' he left Duke. coachK didn't know about it going into this recruitment (from what I remember on the subject)

2 different scenarios.

now, if you want to talk about uneven justice going in Duke's favor, we don't have to stop at Maggette

Without Kanter, we will see a TRUE dribble drive this year.

Look at the Memphis team when they went to the title game and lost to Kansas.

Here are the players that logged minutes in that title game for Memphis....

Derrick Rose - 6'3
Chris Douglas-Roberts - 6'7
Antonio Anderson - 6'6
Joey Dorsey - 6'9
Robert Dozier - 6'9
Willie Kepmt - 6'2
Shawn Taggart - 6'10 (Not an offensive threat at all)


This year, here's the guys who will get playing time for us....

Brandon Knight - 6'3
Daron Lamb - 6'4
DeAndre Liggins - 6'6
Darius Miller - 6'7
Terrence Jones - 6'9
Jon Hood - 6'7
Eloy Vargas - 6'11 (Non offensive threat)
Josh Harrellson - 6'10 (Situational player)

As you see, Caliapri doesn't need size to win. Actually, his better teams have been smaller, that can rebound from all 5 spots. That's what we are this year.

I still like this team, even without Kanter.

I'm talking about the uneven justice that Duke gets.

Whether K would have recruited Kanter or not, I'm just saying if he had, and Kanter had gone to Duke, he'd be playing right now. And, not many people would even argue that.

Initial thoughts on the OSU game tonight,

- Diebler is still inconsistent

- Buffords shot selection is much better

- Lighty is ballin as usual

- Lauderdale got his usual dunks and easy buckets

- Deshaun Thomas is a BOSS, very atheltic and polished offensivley

- Sullinger struggled tonight

- I love the defensive intensity

- Our future looks bright with the freshmen we have now.

Here's my initial thoughts on UK's first game :

* We are ahead of where we were last year for the first game. Mainly because this is Darius Miller and DeAndre Liggins second year in this system, and we had those 3 games in Canada back in August.

* Terrence Jones will be among the best freshmen in the country. 25 points, 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks last night.

* Brandon Knight is a "quiet scorer". Unlike Wall last year, he's not flashy, and he's not gonna have those plays where you're like "I can't believe what I just saw", but he quietly puts up good numbers. 17 points on 6 of 13 shooting last night.

* We need to shoot free throws better. But, you can assume that with a Calipari coached team. But even for a Calipari team, 9 of 23 from the line is terrible.

* This is not last years team. We aren't going to get beat by a 1-3-1 this year due to a lack of shooters. We have 4 guys in our starting lineup that can flat our stroke the 3. Knight, Lamb, Miller, and even Terrence Jones. We went 13-26 from 3 point land last night. A lot of our misses were late in the game, on tired legs.

* Speaking of tired legs, we aren't very deep. Outside of our starting 5, we don't really have any scoring threats. I'm willing to bet that 90% or more of our points this year will come from our starting 5. Last night we scored 88 points, our starters accounted for 66 of them. (And 20 of our bench points were from Lamb, who I'm assuming will be a starter, soon).

If you took what will eventually be our starting lineup, of Knight, Lamb, Liggins, Miller, Jones... Then of our 88 points, 84 of them came from that group.

FYI guys march madness will also be shown on TNT and TBS this year

Calipari can mask a lot of his players size disadvantage. It's one of the beauties of his offense. On defense though it's gonna be difficult.

Thoughts on tommorrows game anybody?

74-68 Florida.

J/C

Kent State looked sloppy today but got the win (under 60%FT, under 30% 3pt, under 40% FG, 15TO, 8 AST).

That wouldn't surprise me. Regardless of the final score we've won. We need our freshmen to play against a very good florida team on the road. It will prepare them for the tourney. My final 4 as of today:

1. Ohio State
2. Baylor
3. Pitt
4. Syracuse

regardless...im loving the 24 hour marathon. All good games so far. So Ill losing on a bad Tech call, Hawaii/CMich being close, Stony Brook pulling it out at the end and man...

Baylor is entertaining to watch. they really are athletic. really athletic. Quincy Acy has springs for legs. He jumps SO HIGH

Duke, Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas State if my Final Four.


Kentucky replaces Kansas State if we win the Enes Kanter appeal.

I don't get into college bball until January usually, but here's my way too early guess without seeing any of these teams play

Final Four:

Duke
'Cuse
Washington
Wisconsin

I wanted to say Michigan State over Duke, but I just think Duke is too good this year to miss out on a deep run. And I really like Temple this year too, but I don't think they have the guns to knock off some of the better teams unfortunately.

I like the cuse and washington picks

umm...did anyone watch OSU-FLORIDA?

THE BUCKS LOOK SWEEEEET! either that or florida shouldn't be ranked in the top 25....but i'm going to go with the first

Sullinger's a monster. If we can keep up our outside shooting around him then look out...

Glad we played better D in the paint in 2nd half...

I loved watching them on offense. They were a methodical killing machine. Lighty showed why his value is so important to us. Kind of surprised we beat them as bad as we did though. I figured we'd win because of talent and expereince but WOW. Bufford showed what I've been talking about all along. When he's feeling it, he just can't be stopped period. We need Dallas to stay out of foul trouble. Him and Sullinger were monsters together.

Dallas has always needed a big guy to play alongside of,....