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I have not been following politics lately as I have been busy enjoying life during this beautiful autumn, so when voting yesterday, I must admit to not being the most informed voter as to what was going to be on the ballot.
While voting, I noticed that "tea party" candidates were listed separately from Republicans. I was under the impression that tea partiers "were" Republicans.
It is going to be interesting to watch these "tea party" representatives morph into Republicans and walk in lockstep as they adopt the GOP/George W. Bush agenda of...tax cuts for the rich..outsourcing jobs...and more wars.
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What candidates were listed under the Tea Party? Where I live in Ohio there nobody on the ballot listed as a Tea Party Party.
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i am not a republican or a tea partier but i am very put off by your immaturity and your sentiment. if you haven't been following politics, then why try to assume you know what they are about? that's not a sign of an intelligent, mature person. and in the words of ytownbrownsfan, i say 
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I have not been following politics lately as I have been busy enjoying life during this beautiful autumn, so when voting yesterday, I must admit to not being the most informed voter as to what was going to be on the ballot.
While voting, I noticed that "tea party" candidates were listed separately from Republicans. I was under the impression that tea partiers "were" Republicans.
It is going to be interesting to watch these "tea party" representatives morph into Republicans and walk in lockstep as they adopt the GOP/George W. Bush agenda of...tax cuts for the rich..outsourcing jobs...and more wars.
LOL at the sour grapes. If what you say happens, me thinks they will be held accountable. Their position is not one of strength just yet. The republicans will be under the watchful eyes of those that voted for them, and there are a bunch of ticked off liberal media types just waiting for them to do something hypocritical to their campaign platforms. They were elected because the dems screwed the pooch. If the newly elected resort to the same ignorant spending policies, they will be voted out as quickly as the dems were. I know that's what you're hoping for, as your party let you down in a huge way.....though you don't have the cajones to admit it.
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I have not been following politics lately as I have been busy enjoying life during this beautiful autumn, so when voting yesterday, I must admit to not being the most informed voter as to what was going to be on the ballot.
While voting, I noticed that "tea party" candidates were listed separately from Republicans. I was under the impression that tea partiers "were" Republicans.
It is going to be interesting to watch these "tea party" representatives morph into Republicans and walk in lockstep as they adopt the GOP/George W. Bush agenda of...tax cuts for the rich..outsourcing jobs...and more wars.
Don't you know that is all right-winger ever do?
Taxcuts for the rich, lowering minimum wage, outsourcing jobs, and destroying anything they touch.
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What candidates were listed under the Tea Party? Where I live in Ohio there nobody on the ballot listed as a Tea Party Party.
There were none that I know of. There were none in Youngstown.
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Charlie - The Republican Party favors a right-wing stance, limited central government, and tough, interventionist foreign policy - to be exact.
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Don't you know that is all right-winger ever do?
Taxcuts for the rich, lowering minimum wage, outsourcing jobs, and destroying anything they touch.
Says the guy that chooses not to work and wants healthcare and a college education paid for by others.
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What candidates were listed under the Tea Party? Where I live in Ohio there nobody on the ballot listed as a Tea Party Party.
There were none that I know of. There were none in Youngstown.
none in Warren
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Don't you know that is all right-winger ever do?
Taxcuts for the rich, lowering minimum wage, outsourcing jobs, and destroying anything they touch.
Says the guy that chooses not to work and wants healthcare and a college education paid for by others.
Great deal if you're the guy who pays for none of it ...... 
Of course, Charlie is slaving away working that tough 4-6 days per month schedule ......
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 Didn't see any candidates listed as "Tea Party" candidates on my ballot either. Poor mac...
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There were none that I know of. There were none in Youngstown.
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None in Akron either.
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maybe the Tea Partiers were masquerading as Democrats ... ala the original Tea Partiers (Sons of Liberty) when they dressed as Indians ... and they were just trying to trick MAC into voting for them 
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There were no state or national candidates that won an election. There were Tea Party backed candidates but that would not be on any ballot. His statement leads me to wonder if he voted.
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I didn't see any Tea Party candidates on my ballot.
I did see socialists and libertarians as well as the green party.
But, in the end, I just want what's best for this country AS A WHOLE. I want all people, black, white, male, female, gay, straight to be able to achieve the best and most they can.
I don't believe that the GOP can do that. But, then again, I'm not real sure that my Democratic party can, either. Frankly, I'm not sure either of them WANT that. It's much easier to just placate people with words and money, but not really better their lives.
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When has minimum wage EVER been lowered?????
You know what???? Here is the thing that irks me about minimum wage....
Democrats support minimum wage increases.....all of the time...they are ALWAYS trying to increase it. And I am in favor of having a set minimum wage. You need to limit some predatory practices of businesses that would not act in ethical ways.
However....One of the reasons the Democrats are continually trying to increase minimum wage is that it does not provide a sustainable income to live off of. So minimum wage is increased...yay!!!.....And then what do the Democrats do???? They support inflationary policies that make that minimum wage even more unsustainable.....It is a vicious cycle and it DOES NOT WORK.
Should minimum wage be lower???? Not at these current inflated levels for the cost of living...but if we can regain control of inflation and the cost of living...then yes...maybe it should come down and help businesses hire more people.
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There were none that I know of. There were none in Youngstown.
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None in Akron either.
None here either. Maybe we all got bad ballots?
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the minimum wage is a joke anyway. there should be no such thing as a minimum wage. you should be paid what you are worth. once the minimum wage goes up, other job wages go down so a company can deal with the increased wages of its janitors, part timers, and general labor. it's not a good system
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I think people are having trouble understanding this ... so I translated for the rest of the board ... Quote:
I have not been following politics lately as I have been busy enjoying life during this beautiful autumn,
My internet has been having problems this weekend so I haven't been able to read the huffingtonpost and dailykos lately to tell me what I need to say.
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so when voting yesterday, I must admit to not being the most informed voter as to what was going to be on the ballot.
I'm your typical Liberal.
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While voting, I noticed that "tea party" candidates were listed separately from Republicans. I was under the impression that tea partiers "were" Republicans.
On my union supplied ballot, tea party candidates were marked seperately and further away from the regular options, so one wouldn't accidently poke a hole in he wrong spot.
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It is going to be interesting to watch these "tea party" representatives morph into Republicans and walk in lockstep as they adopt the GOP/George W. Bush agenda of...tax cuts for the rich..outsourcing jobs...and more wars.
It's going to be interesting finding new ways to tie tea party representatives back to George W. Bush, because that's the only person I know how to blame things on. It's also difficult being a puppet for unions and the DNC because instead of hanging you from strings, they like to shove their hand up your backside.
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I 'll double that
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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I didn't notice "TP or Tea Party" next to any names,, did I miss it..
I saw R or D or I..., I think I saw a couple of L's..
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that post made this thread bareable. hilarious.
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The News coverage was the ones who were labeling tea party. Not the Ballots. There is no tea party. It's part of the Republican party, they just gave them a name so we know who the nut jobs in the GOP are now. I like it ... makes it easier for me. I wish they would separate and have their own party so I can go back to liking the GOP.
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This is interesting, as I believe that the Tea Party is a political movement, rather than a political party. It is not unusual to see someone on the Democrat line and the Liberal line, or on the Republican line and the Conservative line. But both Liberal and Conservative are political parties, unlike the Tea Party.
Can you name one person that ran on the Tea Party line, or is this just a lie? If you can't recall anyone, please let me know your congressional district and I will find a sample ballot.
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i am not a republican or a tea partier but i am very put off by your immaturity and your sentiment. if you haven't been following politics, then why try to assume you know what they are about? that's not a sign of an intelligent, mature person.
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You have proven exactly what this election is about. Accountability. Are we not to hold people accountable for their actions? You post something unintelligent, thoughtless, and immature ... you get called out for it. You pass unfavorable healthcare reform, increase the size of government and plunge this country further into debt ... you get called out for it. Accountability. I am sorry if you feel the need to use profanity, but there are many other words in the English language that might better articulate your feelings. Why not try a couple? Oh wait, did I cross the line of calling someone out again? I am sorry ... I will try to stop holding people accountable.
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i am not a republican or a tea partier but i am very put off by your immaturity and your sentiment. if you haven't been following politics, then why try to assume you know what they are about? that's not a sign of an intelligent, mature person.
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Wow. I try to stay out of political threads, but I would have to use profanity to describe how you responsed to mac. I'm not so sure you should be calling anyone out on their maturity or intelligence.
My suggestion is to go back and read some political threads. You might understand. Mac bring everything on himself the way he talks about others
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You have proven exactly what this election is about. Accountability. Are we not to hold people accountable for their actions? You post something unintelligent, thoughtless, and immature ... you get called out for it. You pass unfavorable healthcare reform, increase the size of government and plunge this country further into debt ... you get called out for it. Accountability. I am sorry if you feel the need to use profanity, but there are many other words in the English language that might better articulate your feelings. Why not try a couple? Oh wait, did I cross the line of calling someone out again? I am sorry ... I will try to stop holding people accountable.
Step back just a little...
What if we hadn't bailed out GM, Chrysler and Banks and investment firms and AIG? What do you suppose would have happened?
I'm pretty much with you on the healthcare reform bill.. the thought and Idea were right, the plan and the execution weren't. So on this we agree.
Irrational hatrid from both sides didn't serve the people.. It only muddied the water and no ACTUAL work was done.
I only ask this because you talk about calling people out,, isn't it important to understand the alternatives to thier actions?
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thanks Daman for giving me perspective. I was on a serious verbal jaunt against Brownoholic and dragged the Dems in with me lol. I don't know what would have happened if we had not bailed out the auto companies. Maybe new auto companies would have sprouted up and people would have went to work there instead of at the same old companies with the same old outsourced factories. i'd seriously make a run at the other problems like health care and debt, but lunch is upon me. 
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i am not a republican or a tea partier but i am very put off by your immaturity and your sentiment. if you haven't been following politics, then why try to assume you know what they are about? that's not a sign of an intelligent, mature person.
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Wow. I try to stay out of political threads, but I would have to use profanity to describe how you responsed to mac. I'm not so sure you should be calling anyone out on their maturity or intelligence.
My suggestion is to go back and read some political threads. You might understand. Mac bring everything on himself the way he talks about others
So you were responded w/ a lot more tolerance at one point?
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Had to break this up a little as they were 2 separate moves so please excuse what seems to be taking things out of context.... Quote:
What if we hadn't bailed out GM, Chrysler ..........? What do you suppose would have happened?
The investors would have gotten the bankrupcy money instead of the Unions...afterall it was their money in the first place.... A new GM would still have been created or we would have seen a bunch of NEW smaller auto companies emerge from the pieces. (and possibly a lot more ideas and competition pushing things forward)
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What if we hadn't bailed out ...... Banks and investment firms and AIG? What do you suppose would have happened?
They would have been bought out by those Banks that were responsible and did not take a penny of the bailout money yet were going to be taxed as if they did....Those banks would beprospering quite a bit better than they are today and some of them may not have been bought out by some of the banks that did take bailout money.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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yes. There are very few liberal/Democrats that post in these threads. There are only two that I am done with. Mac and Charlie.
However in this thread I didn't attack him. I asked a question on what actual Tea Party candidates were on the ballot and won. I knew the answer and that it is zero when it relates to any office larger than dog catcher.
Everyone in these threads knows that Mac never answers questions. All he does is post articles from left wing blogs. people with the same point of view no this as well and do nothing to stand behind him.
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Mac tries to pin everything negative on Bush just like Django/Knight of Brown tries to pin everything negative on Mangini. Only thing with Mac is that all he ever does is copy and paste crap from known left wing opinion columns
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Rand Paul won..
But as far as the Tea Party goes.. It was a good thing until they got hijacked and morphed into what they are now.. The Tea Party we see now is not the Tea Party that was suppose to be.
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i am not a republican or a tea partier but i am very put off by your immaturity and your sentiment. if you haven't been following politics, then why try to assume you know what they are about? that's not a sign of an intelligent, mature person.
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Wow. I try to stay out of political threads, but I would have to use profanity to describe how you responsed to mac. I'm not so sure you should be calling anyone out on their maturity or intelligence.
My suggestion is to go back and read some political threads. You might understand. Mac bring everything on himself the way he talks about others
What I find insanely ironic is mac is the one that's constantly telling people "educate yourself. ", etc. Yet here he openly admits he didn't know the views of people, but he voted anyway.
Who'd you vote for mac? And why? Anybody with "democrat" behind their name, right?
Oh, and for the record, I voted for a few dem's myself. 2 of them. As did my wife.
One other observation here - NO ONE else saw "Tea Party", or "Tea" behind anyone's name - but we all saw "Republican", "Democrat", "Independent", or "Libertarian".
So mac - how did you see "Tea party"????????
Either you lied about voting, or you lied about seeing it, or you had a tainted ballot. Which is it? Come clean. We all anxiously await your reply about lying about voting, or lying about seeing Tea party. Unless, as someone mentioned, you got a ballot from work or where ever in which they marked the tea party guy for you.
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But as far as the Tea Party goes.. It was a good thing until they got hijacked and morphed into what they are now.. The Tea Party we see now is not the Tea Party that was suppose to be.
Yes but he was a Republican on the ballot. The guy from Wisconsin was a Tea Party guy but he was listed as a Republican.
From what I gather their were a few more first time politicians that won. Florida governor was one of them.
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The investors would have gotten the bankrupcy money instead of the Unions...afterall it was their money in the first place.... A new GM would still have been created or we would have seen a bunch of NEW smaller auto companies emerge from the pieces. (and possibly a lot more ideas and competition pushing things forward)
Maybe,, and that would have been terrific, But what if GM and Chrysler went belly up and there wasn't any money to get for investors?
What about 200,000 people at GM alone that would have been thrown out of work while a new company was formed and financed.
What about the Vendors of GM alone that would have been thrown out of business through no fault of thier own other then they were owed money by GM?
What about all the GM Dealers that wouldn't have any product to sell,, how many employees is that.
What about.... oh you get my drift
I'd say a rough guess (and that's all it is) Between GM and Chrysler and all thier subsidiaries, Vendors, Dealers etc.. we'd have seen maybe as many as 2 to 3 million jobs eliminated. That's on top of what we already had lost.
The banks and AIG and other bailed out institutions would only add to that and the uncertainty on Wall Street was bad enough as it was, can you imagine how much worse it would have or could have been.
Point is, while I like your idea and think it's possible.. it could have gone the other way just as easily and put this entire country in a depression potentially much worse than 1929.
Some times, the alternatives to not helping, are worse than if you do help.
That's all I'm trying to point out...
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Yes, there might have been some negatives.
But, companies would have learned that when they make stupid decisions, they will cease to exist without the deep pockets of the American Taxpayer to stand behind them.
As it is, they have learned that they bear no real risk, so they are free to continue to make stupid decisions, as in risky investments which pay off big to the members of the board and management, with no downside whatsoever.
This is like letting your kid kick a houseguest in the nads and then giving him an ice-cream cone.
Since we have pretty well established that Mac is apparently hallucinating, I think it may be time to put him on ignore.
For him, and Charlie, as well, the Bush Tax Cuts are no longer "tax cuts for the rich" because Obama is thinking about extending them, so now they are just plain tax cuts. Edit your scripts accordingly.
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