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I remember reading that when bush was in office we were spending something like $355 trillion on defense spending...
$355 trillion? You're thinking of Obama's trip to Martha's Vineyard.
I thought that was Mrs Obama's trip to Spain .....
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I remember reading that when bush was in office we were spending something like $355 trillion on defense spending...
$355 trillion? You're thinking of Obama's trip to Martha's Vineyard.
I thought that was Mrs Obama's trip to Spain .....
I don't think any Bush supporter can criticize vacation time. Didn't he break the record for vacation days in like, his first year?
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I wonder how the nutjobs in Pakistan will react to this. This could be very VERY scary.
There is not a lot of room for love in Pakistan-Indian relations.
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No.
Maybe for 8 years - not sure about that.
He liked to golf also. Obama, in 2 years, has golfed close to as many times as Bush did in 8 - IF I remember correctly.
Bush spent a fair amount of time at the gov't. owned Camp David. It's a known entity. Security details are known, and in fact the Camp was set up with security at the forefront.
He also went to his ranch in Texas quite a bit. Again, after the first trip there - a known entity for the secret service.
Plus, neither his ranch nor Camp David are known for terrorist attacks. Neither place needed Navy ships, whether they were "in the area" or not. Neither needed 40 jets, or 800 staffers plus security. I am not aware of any time Bush - or any other president for that matter - felt the need to book the whole hotel. I do not remember any time Mrs. Bush took a trip to a foreign country for no other reason than to "take a friend that had gone through a rough time and just get away".
I may be wrong on that.
I'd love to see the number of golf outings in the first 2 years - comparing O to Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan. I'd love to see the comparison, in the first 2 years of presidency - of vacations taken, where, and how much was spent - comparing O, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan.
That would be interesting.
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I'd love to know why anyone cares. Most of the "Vacation Time" Bush spent was working from his ranch.
Obama is entitled to golf as much as he wants. It's not like any president is really ever on vacation.
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Barack Obama plays golf eight more times than George W Bush President Barack Obama has played golf 32 times since he took office, eight more than his predecessor George W. Bush - who was mocked by the Left for his fondness for the game - did in his entire presidency. web page This is from the Daily Telegraph, so it is not some conservative group out to get him.. and this is from APRIL 2010 so who knows how many more times he has played by now.... and W evidently played golf 24 times in 8 years...
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false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp
The only thing I can take as False would be what the one Pentagon official said regarding the 34 warships (although, we commonly do exercises with South Korea, so there may in fact be that many in the area during this timeframe).
The rest of it is actually quite plausible. If you don't believe that our Gov't is capable of spending $66,000 per person per day, you haven't followed much Gov't spending, lol.
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I'd love to know why anyone cares. Most of the "Vacation Time" Bush spent was working from his ranch.
Obama is entitled to golf as much as he wants. It's not like any president is really ever on vacation.
I care, because deathdawg made a false statement. That's the only reason. If I can't point out lies, when they are blatant lies......well, you do the math.
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Barack Obama plays golf eight more times than George W Bush
I know you were only pointing this out as a counter-point, but
honestly, good for him.
1. gets some exercise (best stress reducer is exercise and any president is going to have major stress)
2. can have briefing meetings on the course (I suspect that like Bush in Camp David and on his ranch that Obama's golf outings are more work than play anyway)
3. he has less time to spend on my TV set or in front of congress pushing his destructive agenda 
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President Barack Obama has played golf 32 times since he took office, eight more than his predecessor George W. Bush - who was mocked by the Left for his fondness for the game - did in his entire presidency.
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This is from the Daily Telegraph, so it is not some conservative group lut to get him.. and this is from APRIL 2010 so who knows how many more times he has played by now.... and W evidently played golf 24 times in 8 years...
Wow. Thanks. I'll file that under "things that have no relevance to anything at all."
I'll bet he plays basketball 1000 times more than Bush did. I also bet Bush had more conversations with Jesus than Obama does.
I only pointed out the hypocrisy of a bush supporter criticizing obama for a vacation.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
No, just his policies.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
No, just his policies.
W's policies cost the taxpayers way more than $200M per day. Especially that last horrific year.
But, are you trying to say Obama's policies are costing the American public less? 
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Wow. Thanks. I'll file that under "things that have no relevance to anything at all."
I'll bet he plays basketball 1000 times more than Bush did. I also bet Bush had more conversations with Jesus than Obama does.
I only pointed out the hypocrisy of a bush supporter criticizing obama for a vacation.
And I pointed out that it might not be as hypocritical as you think since it appears that Obama is worse.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
To make sure we are clear, this is not a vacation.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
To make sure we are clear, this is not a vacation.
In addition, the snopes article above has an official saying the numbers are inflated. There is no way it's anywhere near $200 million per day but it's not like they can release information saying oh we spent x amount on 15 snipers, etc. without compromising security. I have no doubt there's a hefty price tag but I'm willing to bet it's a magnitude or two less than the $200 million per day. JMO
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But, are you trying to say Obama's policies are costing the American public less?
No. When I try to say something, I just say it.
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
This might be a dumb question, but is this trip to India a Vacation for Obama or is he going there on matters of state? Is this business or pleasure?
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I just find it funny, even though it was planned in advance, that he's going to be out o the country for 10 days after taking a bigger political beating than damn near any President in the past century.
I guess you didnt watch the news after the US got bad information on WMDs that where never found.
I guess you dont remember Nixon losing his job.
I guess you didnt see how much money/tax dollars the Republicans spent on trying/wasting on getting Clinton out of office.
What about Carter after signing the Pan Am agreement?
What about Kennedy and Cuba?
If your going to say the past century, please specify. Back until the year 2000 or the past 100 years. Either way, I cant believe I just read that statement. Does anybody reflect on the past at all when talking politics or do they just think about the current; whats best for them; and the Ds and the Rs? This guy said past century but I just dont get it. The man is doing his job. You need tight security in India. Especially when it is so close to the Middle East. Remember that war? Remember India and Muslims being at almost war when we where looking for WMDs in Iraq?
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This President saw the biggest loss by his Party in the House of Representatives in in 70 or 80 years. Add in the historic losses of Governorships and State Legislatures, along with the number of Senate seats lost, and it was the worst beating in the past century. I challenge you to find a bigger political loss for a sitting President and his Party in that timeframe in a single election. I guess that I should have spelled out the "In an election" for those who couldn't follow along at home. 
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I swear some here are so frantic to say "republicans did it too" they don't even read what they're responding to.
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Yes it's a dumb question? Yes he's going on vacation? or Yes, He's going on State Business?
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The second two. I'm sure he will be meeting with some dignitaries while there so it will have some elements of business but much of his time is going to be spent sightseeing as I understand it...
And just out of curiosity, instead of renting out the entire Taj Mahal, wouldn't a nice size estate in the country be 1000 times cheaper and easier to protect?
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I swear some here are so frantic to say "republicans did it too" they don't even read what they're responding to.
You seem to continually be upset when someone deflects with "Republicans did it too" ... all the while slighting the fact that ... well, the Republicans *did* do it, too.
The two parties are one in the same.
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The second two. I'm sure he will be meeting with some dignitaries while there so it will have some elements of business but much of his time is going to be spent sightseeing as I understand it...
And just out of curiosity, instead of renting out the entire Taj Mahal, wouldn't a nice size estate in the country be 1000 times cheaper and easier to protect?
not being a security expert, I really can't answer that DC...
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I swear some here are so frantic to say "republicans did it too" they don't even read what they're responding to.
You seem to continually be upset when someone deflects with "Republicans did it too" ... all the while slighting the fact that ... well, the Republicans *did* do it, too.
The two parties are one in the same.
Kinda like the movie 'Pearl Harbor', you completely missed the point.
The point was that it doesn't matter if the R's or D's or I' did it before.... just because something's been done before doesn't mean it's Ok for it to happen again. It just means we're doubly stupid for standing idly by while it happens again.
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You seem to continually be upset when someone deflects with "Republicans did it too" ... all the while slighting the fact that ... well, the Republicans *did* do it, too.
You seem to skip over the fact that I got upset when people demanded that I say "republicans did it too" when I slammed the dems. If they want to slam the republicans, have at it. In this last case, the poster brought up things that weren't even relative to Ytown's post.
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Gee Phil, it's about damn time you told us how you really felt. 
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Kinda like the movie 'Pearl Harbor', you completely missed the point.
The point was that it doesn't matter if the R's or D's or I' did it before.... just because something's been done before doesn't mean it's Ok for it to happen again. It just means we're doubly stupid for standing idly by while it happens again.
I agree.
However ... making a fuss about one while ignoring the other is, in a sense, standing idly by while it happens.
Look around the boards at who is complaining about Obama's spending (which certainly warrants it) ... now pull up old threads when Bush's spending was complained about ... they were usually the ones defending it or giving an  .
Now, of course, they'll all say that they didn't like Bush's spending, either, yada yada yada.
But I didn't hear them complain about the cost of trips, or the Iraq War or the flight suit stunt ...
And it's that back-and-forth that gives our government the power and latitude it has.
I'm talking to both those who are arguing and defending this ludicrous trip.
What we need to start discussing is how to properly dismantle our current government ... not the little specifics such as trips or spending bills ...
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I didn't really expect an answer, it was more just me thinking out loud.. but thanks for thinking about it.
Stop that, I try to help, rack my brain for an answer and feel guilty when I can't give you one..,
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However ... making a fuss about one while ignoring the other is, in a sense, standing idly by while it happens.
Which is really the same as saying "But X did it too...". You may as well stand idly by. I know that the Donkey Caveman Grom did it and so did the Elephant Cavemand Forg but hell at some point people just need to fess up that wrong is wrong instead of deflecting.
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What we need to start discussing is how to properly dismantle our current government ... not the little specifics such as trips or spending bills ...
Start phil. Instead of bashing everyone and anything - start. Tell us how to dismantle this gov't. Most of us would go for it, if it was a feasible plan.
So, instead of sitting on the throne poo pooing anything and everything political, in your holier than thou attitude - your "I know more than you do" attitude - lay it on the line.
How would YOU improve this country?
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This is what happens when you get your information from "news" outlets such as the dailymail and fox.
It takes about 2 seconds to find out that the tabloid is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
The story was too hot for fox, so it is sent to the daily mail and then back to the US for fox to report on as being from "news souces"
classic.
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I'm the one who read it and I believe it might have been Yahoo? When I decided to post it I just used the first link I saw.
Anyway, I didn't post it because of the cost but because it is a security concern.
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This President saw the biggest loss by his Party in the House of Representatives in in 70 or 80 years. Add in the historic losses of Governorships and State Legislatures, along with the number of Senate seats lost, and it was the worst beating in the past century. I challenge you to find a bigger political loss for a sitting President and his Party in that timeframe in a single election.
I guess that I should have spelled out the "In an election" for those who couldn't follow along at home.
What does that have to do with this trip?
Obama is just one person. Everything you just said does not fall on one persons shoulders.
Obama is the most righteous Christian President of our time. Im sure hes over there taking care of some business.
So is this strictly a vacation or not  . There is no such thing as strictly just a vacation when your President of the United States. Especially when you need that much security. None of us could possibley know everything going on in this trip. Im sure its for a just cause.
Remember when it was considered un-American to question the President when Bush was President? Now hes getting questioned for a trip to India for reasons we dont even know about and now being blamed for Senate and House of Representive losses.
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You've asked me that in four different threads. I've responded four different times.
This was my third response to your third query:
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In short, we need true democracy, less bureaucracy ...
I'd all but dismantle the federal government ... state governments as well ... things need to be more focused locally ... federal and state governments should provide basic guidelines for human rights, not run the damn show ...
I'd definitively dismantle the IRS and eradicate big money interests from decision making ... our populace is not a damn checking account for the folks who fund elections ...
Goodbye, Federal Reserve ...
I'd eliminate drug laws ... not your problem, not my problem ... centralize users and products to certain districts and be done with it ... we pretty much already do that, the rest is a money-making venture that does nothing but expand government power and create a permanent underclass ...
I'd get the hell of out of international affairs that have nothing to do with us and everything to do with business interests ...
I'd severely hack away at the military-industrial complex ... we need Defense, not Attack ...
We need more focus on education ... generally that's politician-speak for funding and bureaucracy ... but half our problem is how completely uninformed and ignorant our populace is ... again, a problem that needs to be handled locally, not federally (I generally equate state and federal as one in the same) ... we don't teach, we indoctrinate ...
I'm a big believer in the phrase 'think globally, act locally' ... the government isn't going to save your neighborhood, you are ... I don't trust the government, and I don't trust corporations, because they have themselves in mind first and foremost ... their main goal is to keep their institution running, and to keep you a cog in it ...
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It's not the fact that he's going on a vacation. It's the fact that it's going to cost the American taxpayers $200,000,000 each day.
I'm pretty sure W's vacations to his ranch didn't cost the taxpayers $200M each day.
But, this is an apples to oranges comparison. In order for any comparison to be valid, one should compare a trip such as Obama's to a trip of similar intent on Bush's watch. It's not a vacation... and many of GWB's similar trips weren't either. This one will discuss nukes, Pakistan, global economics in the Asian theater, and many other issues. It would be interesting to see a cost tally for a similar Bush junket. That would at least give us a reasonable basis for comparison.
But to compare an official State venture in a dangerous area of the world to a week at "the ranch" is myopic at best, and disingenuous at worst.
And PDawg: as to your original Q: I'm not comfy with it either. Not from the money standpoint, but from the safety one... just like you.
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