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We all know the passing game has much to do with timing and chemistry as much as route running and skill. Here's a blurb from Daboll's presser about Colt working with the wideouts that I find very encouraging. I think we need to see this part of the game improve dramatically if we are going to continue to win and grow offensively. (On if McCoy has embraced these first three teams that he has had to face)- “Yes, I think he does, I think he embraces it. He’s a competitive guy, he’s not arrogant or cocky or anything like that. He’s competitive, he wants to do well so bad. You’re out there at practice, even in the bye week and this week he’s been throwing it around pretty good and he’ll miss by six inches and he’ll be slamming his helmet and I’ll go, ‘Hey just go to the next play,’ and he’ll get done and he’ll get done with that period and he might have had four good throws right after that and he made a good check with me and he’ll come off and he’ll be like, ‘I can’t believe I missed the freakin’ throw,’ and he doesn’t swear and you’ll look down there and he’s got (Brian) Robiskie, (Chansi) Stuckey and Mohamed (Massaquoi) throwing it 16 times to make sure it’s right. That’s pretty good to see. We did that yesterday, we just changed up a little thing and that’s kind of their rest period in between where the defense is going he’ll be like, ‘Let’s go, come on guys,’ okay so he gets them over there and makes them run and get it the right way.” Link I know much has been said about Robo being a bust, Mo-Mass being a number two and neither knowing how to get open. But timing, chemistry and, most of all, success would go far in changing that. When Holmgren was asked if he was considering going after Moss, he said that we needed to concentrate on developing our young WRs. Obviously he has not given up on them, as some on here have. If we can open up the passing game, and get more "weapons" onto the field, that will seriously take pressure off the RBs and the TEs, and increase our ability to score points. What do Robo and Mo-Mass bring to the game? What do they have to do to get open more? What has to happen to make them more effective perimeter players? Has Colt had time during the past two weeks to develop some chemistry with them? Could it be enough to make them a crucial part of the offense, not only this week, but next week and on into the future?
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Timing & chemistry will help, but with these guys I'm not sure that we'll go far at all. Basically, they shown absolutely nothing for anyone to think that they will show anything.
Carlton Mitchell has been just as impactful as Robiskie... and all he had to do was pretty much not step on the field.
MoMass is better at Invisible Man impressions.
Stuckey is the only consistent one of the bunch, and I think I'd take compare him to Kevin Johnson, at best.
I'd take Dennis Northcutt over almost any of these guys right now.
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Actually, I think that I would too.
I am so tired of Robiske doing the "I'm not even going to try for that pass, because it might be a little out of my reach and I might have to stretch for it" act that I damn near throw something at my TV every time he does it. He might not get to the ball ..... but when the DBs are jumping to full extension, and Robiske looks like he's about ready to head back to the huddle, it makes me question his determination.
Then, last week when he ran an unimpeded route 2 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down, I wanted to drag him through the TV and rip his freakin' head off.
So far he hasn't shown the ability to do the big things .... or the little things ..... so I wonder what he can do?
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During OTA's, training camp, exhibition games, and the first five weeks of this season McCoy and the first string got little or no work together.
When you watch Manning or other top notch guys and you get to see what chemistry between the QB and receivers are capable of; you hope that some day we could have a QB in there long enough to develop chemistry.
I really wanted to get Bolden. When the Ravens got him it made me sick. Then I wanted to make the trade to get Marshall. Now I can not tell if the problem with throwing to the WR's is a problem with them or just the lack of working together with one guy.
In any event in order to get better the Browns must incorporate the wideouts into the offense. Maybe if they leave McCoy in there for the rest of the season that will happen.
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I'm anticipating seeing more of them this week. I believe Bellycheat will try to take away Hillis and Watson, leaving the WRs as our open weapons. I think part of our game plan will be to incorporate the receivers more this week. Hopefully, the time McCoy has spent working with them will pay off.
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You don't need great receivers to have a sucessful passing game, but you do need a great QB. Brady and Manning consistently make UDFAs look like Hall of Famers. Our WRs are good enough IF our QB can play great. If not, then we need a new QB or new Receivers. It seems like the Browns are more interested in finding a great QB than putting time and money into acquiring great receivers. Time will tell if that works.
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Timing & chemistry will help, but with these guys I'm not sure that we'll go far at all. Basically, they shown absolutely nothing for anyone to think that they will show anything.
Carlton Mitchell has been just as impactful as Robiskie... and all he had to do was pretty much not step on the field.
MoMass is better at Invisible Man impressions.
Stuckey is the only consistent one of the bunch, and I think I'd take compare him to Kevin Johnson, at best.
I'd take Dennis Northcutt over almost any of these guys right now.
Can you name the QBs we have had since robo and mo mass were drafted? How can we expect them to be great or even decent when there is no consistancy at QB? It goes both ways...lets see how rest of the year goes...andi f they still suck this bad then it's time to bring in playmakers...don't get me wrong i still would love it if we draft a stud WR next year no matter what takes place rest of the year.
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At least MoMass has shown signs of perhaps being at least a decent receiver.
OSU homerism aside, you have to be able to see that Robiskie is a bum, can't get seperation, and will never amount to anything in this league. Right?
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Given factors like a great O-line and advantageous rules that favor the offense... someone is bound to get open. Especially since Colt can actually shift the D with his feet.
As Colt's vision, Game Speed adjustment, and Decision making abilities grow. (And if he's the player I want to think he is... he just might). The receivers might actually look a little better than what other people might think about them. (Granted, the receivers still have to actually put out their hands and catch the ball)
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Timing & chemistry will help, but with these guys I'm not sure that we'll go far at all. Basically, they shown absolutely nothing for anyone to think that they will show anything.
Carlton Mitchell has been just as impactful as Robiskie... and all he had to do was pretty much not step on the field.
MoMass is better at Invisible Man impressions.
Stuckey is the only consistent one of the bunch, and I think I'd take compare him to Kevin Johnson, at best.
I'd take Dennis Northcutt over almost any of these guys right now.
Can you name the QBs we have had since robo and mo mass were drafted? How can we expect them to be great or even decent when there is no consistancy at QB? It goes both ways...lets see how rest of the year goes...andi f they still suck this bad then it's time to bring in playmakers...don't get me wrong i still would love it if we draft a stud WR next year no matter what takes place rest of the year.
Can you tell me what having different QB's matters when the constant thread is that the WR doesn't show up?
FIVE different starting QB's and with the exception of Stuckey, NONE of the WR's show up.
Either we've designed an offense that avoids using the WR's, or our WR's just cannot get the job done.... and say what you will about Daboll, but I'm pretty sure he would not be employed right now if he was intentionally avoiding our WR's.
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At least MoMass has shown signs of perhaps being at least a decent receiver.
OSU homerism aside, you have to be able to see that Robiskie is a bum, can't get seperation, and will never amount to anything in this league. Right?
Not directed at me, but I'll throw my two cents in. I hated the pick when we made it because of my OSU homerism, in so far as it meant I'd watched every game of his college career. I'd love nothing more than for Robiskie to serve me some crow and shut me up, but the next flash of potential he shows will be the first.
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Timing & chemistry will help, but with these guys I'm not sure that we'll go far at all. Basically, they shown absolutely nothing for anyone to think that they will show anything.
Carlton Mitchell has been just as impactful as Robiskie... and all he had to do was pretty much not step on the field.
MoMass is better at Invisible Man impressions.
Stuckey is the only consistent one of the bunch, and I think I'd take compare him to Kevin Johnson, at best.
I'd take Dennis Northcutt over almost any of these guys right now.
Can you name the QBs we have had since robo and mo mass were drafted? How can we expect them to be great or even decent when there is no consistancy at QB? It goes both ways...lets see how rest of the year goes...andi f they still suck this bad then it's time to bring in playmakers...don't get me wrong i still would love it if we draft a stud WR next year no matter what takes place rest of the year.
Can you tell me what having different QB's matters when the constant thread is that the WR doesn't show up?
FIVE different starting QB's and with the exception of Stuckey, NONE of the WR's show up.
Either we've designed an offense that avoids using the WR's, or our WR's just cannot get the job done.... and say what you will about Daboll, but I'm pretty sure he would not be employed right now if he was intentionally avoiding our WR's.
Also Stuckey and Cribbs have made plays with all of the QB's, not to mention the backs and TE's.
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OSU homerism aside, you have to be able to see that Robiskie is a bum, can't get seperation, and will never amount to anything in this league. Right?
MoMass has shown me nothing. He runs poor routes and can't catch. That's kinda important in a wideout.
Robo is an enigma. Many folks said he was the most NFL ready prospect, but that hasn't translated to this level at all. Things like this are what make the draft a crap shoot.
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You atleast have to give MoMass a lil' credit.. He can atleast catch. Much better hands than our old #1..
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He can't catch a cold and was a wasted pick at this point. He has been worthless....
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lol.. Shep.. Don't worry.. We'll be using our 1st round pick on a WR come draft time. Maybe we'll get another bulldog in here... 
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One who will average more than two catches a game would be nice.
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On the other hand, sometimes what makes a draft a crap shoot is the crap that shoots itself in the foot by not having an offense or a QB to run it. My bet is that if either of these guys would've landed on a good team they're production and value to their team would be much more than it is here.
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I agree. The WR's we have are decent, but Cleveland at the moment needs OUTSTANDING WR's to make up for the lack of talent(or experience) at QB.
Delhomme I think could work with them, and make them appear better, just as he did in preseason, and also the first half of the Bucs game.. After that.. Wallace and McCoy favor the TE's.
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What evidence leads you to conclude that our WRs are decent? I'm not trying to be incendiary, I'm honestly curious.
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Just watching Robo's body language on the field says a lot. Does he think he's intitled to something just because his dad coached in the NFL?
I'll be watching Robo very closely today to see what type of effert he gives.
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MoMass has pulled a few 100 yard games.. He catches the ball pretty well.
Stuckey is a pretty good slot WR.. He could be better at getting YAC, but for the most part he helps moves the chains.
Cribbs has pretty good hands, and from time to time makes a good play. I think he would be more instrumental as a WR if his niche' was not special teams. He will never be a 1 or 2 WR in Cleveland for that reason, and will only see the field due to injury, or if we're running 3 or 4 Wr sets...
Robo really is the only one who hasn't shown much. He makes a catch every now and then, but seeing that he really didn't play his rookie year, and now with the QB situation.. not sure if he is going to show anything of much til' maybe next year, if he doesn't get cut.
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Stuckey has been the WR MVP so far this year. Dude makes catches. Cribbs is getting better and MoMass ... well, he has shown flashes but teams know he is our #1 so he is getting shadowed by their best corner each game. We need the true #1 stud WR. That is where we are lacking.
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I agree with you on Stuckey and Cribbs. I actually think Cribbs has improved a bit as a receiver this year, though he was pretty terrible to begin with.
I can't go with you on Massaquoi. I do agree that he catches the ball well enough, I think the problem is he just lacks the skill or talent to create separation and get the opportunity for those touches. Yes, he's had two 100+ yard games in his career, but he's also had two or less catches in 17 of his 22 career games, including 5 out of 6 games this season.
I'll even give him some leeway due to the scheme, which as Holmgren pointed out, "plays to the middle," but those numbers are simply unacceptable for a second round pick and a guy who's essentially been our #1 WR since he stepped on the field. I realize WRs usually don't "get it" until their third year, so I'm not going to label the guy a bust, but I also wouldn't call him decent. Yet.
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I think that if he wasn't atleast decent.. he wouldn't be our #1 WR... but I do see where you are coming from.
I think we can both agree that we need a stud @ WR...
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Agreed. I think he certainly catches the ball well enough to be at least a solid #2. Like Buckeyed said, he's facing the other team's top corner every week, and I think that's why his lack of top flight speed or size is hurting his ability to get separation.
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I'm also wondering if part of the lack of production has to do with the comfort level of the QBs and them. Seneca seemed to focus on Cribbs when he was playing. Delhomme looked for Watson first.
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It's nice they are working on things,, not sure that the result will be any better however. we'll see I guess.. Aren't both the Pats starting safeties out or at least not at 100% today.. that may bode well for us.. we'll see.
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MoMass has pulled a few 100 yard games.. He catches the ball pretty well.
He has a total of two 100 yard games. In one of those games, he had one reception that went for 59 yards which tends to skew the results......and if he didn't go to Georgia you wouldn't be hanging onto his jock......
He sucks major ass. Whenever your number 1 guy (and he is SUPPOSED to be our number 1) seems to disappear on the field that is telling.
As for QBs looking for certain folks......McCoy needs to look for Watson today. With Chung out this could be key.
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I thought when a number 1 WR disappears, the other team is playing good D on him?
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I thought when a number 1 WR disappears, the other team is playing good D on him?
So, the entire league plays good D?
Shep, the up side is that McCoy does look for Watson a lot, so that should be there all day.
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I still have some hope for Mo to develop but Robo I have already applied the label of bust.
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I think the WRs must get involved today if we're going to have any chance to win. If the safeties are backups, all the better. NE will be way too effective against the run and shutting down Watson if there are no other options on the field being taken advantage of early. IMO, if we start out feeding them a steady diet of Hillis, we'll be looking at a lot of 3 and outs, and we'll end up giving Brady good field position right from the gate. That's a recipe for disaster. I want to see a lot of Hillis, but I want to see it work. He won't be that effective if they're stacking the box on us. We need to open up the perimeter and get the safeties off our line. Then we can pound them with the Rhino.
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I have applied solvent to your label and removed it. 
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I am one of the ones who said McCoy should go back to the bench. I was wrong! No way he can go back now.
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I am one of the ones who said McCoy should go back to the bench. I was wrong! No way he can go back now.
I agree Pdawg, no way he sits now.
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I was just so afraid of him not being ready and have the fans turn on him. At this point it really doesn't matter.
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He has to start from here out.
He has handled everything thrown at him like a pro. Hell, the kid is a pro.
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