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No way to sit him after the performance he turned into today. His poise, play making ability and his growing chemistry with the pass catchers. He gets my vote to finish the season.
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He played pretty well, but his deep ball is terrible. That needs a lot of work. He had a few bad throws, but overall, he did well. Had a few nice plays, and no costly mistakes. He gave us what we needed.
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I said that he would have to earn the Starting job if Wallace was healthy. I think he's done so.
My uncle said "It's like Bernie Kosar with Legs"
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I said that he would have to earn the Starting job if Wallace was healthy. I think he's done so.
My uncle said "It's like Bernie Kosar with Legs"
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I also noticed Bernie Kosar brains and that REALLY excites me!!!
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He played pretty well, but his deep ball is terrible. That needs a lot of work. He had a few bad throws, but overall, he did well. Had a few nice plays, and no costly mistakes. He gave us what we needed.
Couple under thrown balls, (maybe meant for the WR to come back to, or be back shoulder passes,) and the deep sideline throw to Cribbs that went over his head was on Cribbs for slowing down. Had he kept going, the ball would've dropped into his hands. So it seems it's not that he doesn't have the arm strength, he just needs to get on the same page withe his WRs, and get more experience throwing those patterns, IMO.
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I said that he would have to earn the Starting job if Wallace was healthy. I think he's done so.
My uncle said "It's like Bernie Kosar with Legs"
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I also noticed Bernie Kosar brains and that REALLY excites me!!!
Yeah, and his accuracy on the run. 
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Don't go that far. The offense is still pretty dumbed down for him at the moment. He's basically making one read and throwing it. Very few progressions of any sort.
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Don't go that far. The offense is still pretty dumbed down for him at the moment. He's basically making one read and throwing it. Very few progressions of any sort.
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Don't go that far. The offense is still pretty dumbed down for him at the moment. He's basically making one read and throwing it. Very few progressions of any sort.
Daboll said that they had some ridiculous number like 175 offensive plays in this week.
That's not "dumbed down" one bit.
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That's not what I'm saying. As far as what they are having Colt do, it is dumbed down. He has to make very few reads and isn't being asked to do much. I agree that he's played well, but he hasn't been as amazing as many are saying. Right now he's just managing the game. He's just a rookie, but in the future, if he is to be our franchise QB, he has to do more than that.
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That's not what I'm saying. As far as what they are having Colt do, it is dumbed down. He has to make very few reads and isn't being asked to do much. I agree that he's played well, but he hasn't been as amazing as many are saying. Right now he's just managing the game. He's just a rookie, but in the future, if he is to be our franchise QB, he has to do more than that.
Regardless, he's doing it against elite teams...
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That is true. There is reason for hope, but I will stay cautiously optimistic until he shows me more than he has thus far. He's done a good job and deserves to be the starter, but I will wait before anointing him our franchise quarterback and comparing him to Bernie Kosar or Brian Sipe.
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That's not what I'm saying. As far as what they are having Colt do, it is dumbed down. He has to make very few reads and isn't being asked to do much. I agree that he's played well, but he hasn't been as amazing as many are saying. Right now he's just managing the game. He's just a rookie, but in the future, if he is to be our franchise QB, he has to do more than that.
Regardless, he's doing it against elite teams...
Exactly. Imagine any QB starting his career against the Steelers, Saints, Patriots, and then next week is the Jets. That's a real "murderer's row" for a rookie QB. He hasn't been confused at all ..... and has been in control. We've had what .... 3 procedure penalties in 3 games with McCoy under Center? He's also made NFL throws, especially under pressure.
I am excited to see more. I think that he might be the real deal.
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I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.
I don't want to get too excited, because we are the Browns, afterall.
But, he looks to have the poise and confidence that you just don't see often out of a rookie QB.
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I don't want to get too excited, because we are the Browns, afterall.
But, he looks to have the poise and confidence that you just don't see often out of a rookie QB.
This, this and more of this. Just because I'm not saying he's been amazing doesn't mean I'm not optimistic.
I didn't like Colt as a prospect, but he's played much better than I expected him to. He has a chance, and I'm excited that we have a guy showing some good signs.
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I have no idea how you can say that today he just managed the game.  On a different subject. Phil Simms on Jerome Harrison. "He is nothing but the back that takes it up in there. The Banger...When you need tough yards, which you need inside the 8 yard line in this league, you give it to the guy who is looking to give punishment to get the extra yard or two."
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thats the scout in deepthreat. ignore it. lol. We scored 30+ on the Patriots, and all he did was manage the game? right. 
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How many big plays did he make? He didn't make any huge plays by himself. He got the ball to his players. He didn't do much exciting. He had a good game, and he did all that was asked. I'm not complaining. You guys can compare him to Jesus; it doesn't make it true.
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Don't go that far. The offense is still pretty dumbed down for him at the moment. He's basically making one read and throwing it. Very few progressions of any sort.
I don't buy this
there was a few plays where colt got to his 3rd read then then rifled in a nice ball..he reads a D just fine.
As for the "one-read and throw" those believe it or not are the REALLY GOOD PLAYS...that means the play was successful the way it was scripted to be.
We ran a ton of "clear outs" today...you know those plays where we had 2-3 receivers to one side that ran outside routes to "clear" Ben Watson or another player on the inside for a nice catch...thats a "one read play" the play was designed that way....your not giving Colt or the team credit...they executed those scripted plays to near perfection
Big Ben does a ton of "one-read and throws" so did Tom Brady today...what do you expect on a 3 step drop?
on a 3 step drom it is...1 step, 2 step, 3 step, fire...if your not throwing the ball after the 3rd step...its a broken play...
you watch Peyton Manning he always throws right after the 3rd step..in fact on those 3 step drops...Mccoy executed them just like Manning would have..it shows me Colt is making progress big time....
Colt has all the tools to be our guy...he is putting them together right now....
just Like I have "shut up" on calling for Eric Mangini's head..Browns fans need to "shut up" and quit calling for a 1st rd Qb and trust Mike Holmgren and Mangini to develop this kid...colt is a top WR and a few pieces on D away from being Top Qb in this league...give him a fiar chance...the kid deserves 26 games to grow and mature before we even think of drafting a QB
you can not judge a Qb in this league until he has played atleast 24-26 games..it takes time to grow..Colt has shwon enough however that he has the tools and can grow into the job...and hopefully we are not picking in the top so we won't be in position to take one anyways...WR and a heavy dose of D front 7 should be our path moving forward...with a bit more help on the right side of our OL and we just may have a real winner here in this team..
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I'm done with this thread. It's pointless in offering any criticism against the new golden boy. It's happened before, it's happening now, and it will happen again. If someone offers any criticism whatsoever, they get slammed.
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You don't think the throws he made while on the run for first downs weren't big? What do you consider big?
btw I don't think he is Jesus or anything close. I can give him credit where credit is do.
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I'm done with this thread. It's pointless in offering any criticism against the new golden boy. It's happened before, it's happening now, and it will happen again. If someone offers any criticism whatsoever, they get slammed.
Take your ball and go home.  You sound like EO. News flash...Not everyone has to agree with you.
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you see you can't debate w/ threat..
all you did was state who your pops said he looked like.. and now he says we are calling him Jesus. lol.
Daboll isn't dumbing down this offense at all.. He loves Colt.. He feels like he can be successful w/ him..
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How many big plays did he make? He didn't make any huge plays by himself. He got the ball to his players. He didn't do much exciting. He had a good game, and he did all that was asked. I'm not complaining. You guys can compare him to Jesus; it doesn't make it true.
Umm ... did you watch the game?
That throw on 3rd down to Cribbs was the most impressive throw I have seen all day in any game. He made plays under pressure. He moved well in the pocket.He put the ball right on his receivers. He threw a couple of beautiful (and unstoppable) back shoulder throws. He led receivers so they could run after the catch.
He also had a couple of throws that were not as good. Guess what? So does every QB. He completed 14-19 for 174 yards. 9 yards/attempt is damn good. He, IIRC, only had 1 throw that was even close to being picked.
I will take that every week.
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I'm done with this thread. It's pointless in offering any criticism against the new golden boy. It's happened before, it's happening now, and it will happen again. If someone offers any criticism whatsoever, they get slammed.
comparing Anderson to McCoy isn't even fair...and thats what your trying to do.
McCoy "is a rookie" a rookie.....he isn't a Golden Boy but he has showed us more then Quinn ever did....he deserves a chance to grow......
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what you want Colt McCoy to fail just because you didn't like it when we drafted him? McCoy was my fav pick out of the Browns entire draft..I danced in my living room on draft day when we got this kid because:
COLT MCCOY IS A WINNER!
You can tell this eam rallies around him, the kid is a leader...and by god two out of the 3 weeks all he has done is find ways to win...the kid is in command.
No dumb false start penalties and such.
The OL is rallied around the kid, he is in command and has an air of confidence about him we havne't had here since the Sipe/Kosar years...the kid deserves a chance.
oh also the fact the Kid has throw an INT or turnover the ball in the last two games is a big reason why we are winning....Mccoy isn't going to fail here...he is just a rookie that needs time to grow and the kid deserves a fair chance..McCoy is a winner and two teams never saw him coming...
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I'll give one more try at clarifying. Yes, they were big plays and very well done. Very few QB's could have done a better job on those plays than he did. He had the mobility, accuracy and presence of mind to make it work.
What I'm saying is that he isn't making many huge throws across the middle or downfield. His deep ball is rather pathetic really. For the most part, Daboll is playing conservatively in the pass game, which I think is appropriate. There aren't many risky throws, and he isn't being asked to do much. He just has to make the simple plays, and he's done a great job there.
I do think that Hillis isn't going to have a huge game like this too often, and that's obviously going to hurt Colt. Eventually, we will need Colt to do more in order to win games. I don't know if he can do it or not. We shall see.
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just like the saints game.. we were up by 10+ in the 2nd half.. no need to really call those type of plays...
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Nobody's slamming you. They are offering an opinion that counters your own.
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I'm gonna have to question that expert analysis again.
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How many big plays did he make? He didn't make any huge plays by himself. He got the ball to his players. He didn't do much exciting. He had a good game, and he did all that was asked. I'm not complaining. You guys can compare him to Jesus; it doesn't make it true.
Yeah. He didn't make any huge plays? Maybe I imagined that scramble for a TD. That was a rather large play. What's wrong with "just getting the ball to his players?" Players rarely make huge plays by themselves. About the only guy that I can really think of that made plays by himself was Barry Sanders. It's just hard for people not to get excited with what we've had since the return. A little over excited? Probably, but the kid has shown some real promise and poise in his first three starts against three of the best teams in football.
Obviously the coaching staff hasn't been asking him to put the game on his shoulders, but you don't really know what will happen because we haven't been in that position in any of his starts. McCoy is a part of the team, and when the team is ahead his job is to not make bad decision with the ball. So far he's done that very well. What happens when the game is on the line remains to be seen, but you certainly have to be encouraged so far.
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I think Deep wants Colt to win a game with his arm, and with no help from the running game...
whY? I'm not sure.. I would think him being a huge o-line fan, he would be happy that the o-line is doing very well right now protecting Colt, and opening up lanes for Hillis.
this is a team game.. the Browns win games when they play that way, and that way only... That's how I want to win.
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I think I understand where he is coming from. Colt isn't making big plays when it comes to the vertical passing game. I did see a couple of nice throws downfield today. The 1st play of the game was pretty nice. The throw to Stucky looked like it was suppose to be one where he comes back to the ball The throw to Moore looked like they were trying to exploit a matchup.
We have yet to see him take over a game but he hasn't had to. There will come a time where he will. Considering where he is in his career and who he has started against I am thrilled with him.
I wanted him back on the bench this week to try and absorb what has been going on. imo It is better to pull him because of an injured player coming back then to have him get pulled because he is struggling. After today that plan is out the window. I can't see him getting pulled now.
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I do think that Hillis isn't going to have a huge game like this too often, and that's obviously going to hurt Colt. Eventually, we will need Colt to do more in order to win games. I don't know if he can do it or not. We shall see.
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I think we will find out next week. Rex's D's are known for stopping the run. They will game to shut down Hillis. I know, so does everyone else. To beat the Jets I think we will need to air it out a bit more than is the norm. With their premier corners, Colt will get a significant test in NY next week IMHO.
Overall, I like what I see from the kid and hope he starts the rest of the way!
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j/c Just to pipe in here, he threw to seven different receivers. SEVEN! That's huge. Leaving the pocket and getting that first down when the play broke down to keep the drive alive, then scrambling for the TD, huge. He made stuff happen out there today. He took control when he needed to and scored. That's not just managing the game, that's taking charge. Excellent game today by the rook QB.
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I'll give one more try at clarifying. Yes, they were big plays and very well done. Very few QB's could have done a better job on those plays than he did. He had the mobility, accuracy and presence of mind to make it work.
exactly, so what more do you want out of a rookie playing his third NFL game? I think he's got a ton of upside..
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Why would he even try if he didn't need to.. that just isn't a fair critique of the game today..
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Don't go that far. The offense is still pretty dumbed down for him at the moment. He's basically making one read and throwing it. Very few progressions of any sort.
Mangini said different in his post game press conference. You can also tell before the snap he's making multiple defensive reads and making pre-snap adjustments.
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When the criticism is waranted, that's one thing. But you're being a little nit picky. I don't understand the golden boy comment. I doubt anyone is anointing him anything. Can't we get a little excited about the overall play of our 3rd round pick?
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You think Hillis is going to consistently have 180 rushing yards and over 6 yards per carry? I kind of doubt that happens.
Pdawg is pretty close. I admit to being a fan of a more vertical passing game. I think it helps the run game more, and you have bigger plays. Colt hasn't shown that he can play in a vertical offense.
I realize that, today, we didn't need Colt to make many plays downfield with how awesome the run game was. That's not going to happen every game. He did more than we needed today, and overall, he played a very good game. I'm not complaining about his play. I'm saying that the people who are calling him the franchise quarterback are jumping the gun. I stated that I am cautiously optimistic.
The throws to Watson and Cribbs downfield were quite awful. Both had too much air under them and didn't give the receiver a chance.
Colt has played good football. He's had very few inaccurate throws and very few bad decisions. But to say that he's shown the smarts and accuracy of Bernie is quite ridiculous.
Here is the basic fact of the matter. Colt has played well, but not well enough to warrant the comparisons and title of Franchise QB. He hasn't made many huge plays vertically, and he has had the benefit of a great running game that won't be there every game. Today was incredibly fun to watch, and the entire team had a great game. Colt did very well, but i want to see if he has it to be the main focus of the offense. Obviously, I don't expect that from a rookie QB in his 3rd start, but until he shows that he has that ability, I don't feel that the praise he has been given is warranted. Can't we just say that he had a great game and leave it at that?
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Pdawg is pretty close. I admit to being a fan of a more vertical passing game. I think it helps the run game more, and you have bigger plays. Colt hasn't shown that he can play in a vertical offense.
I realize that, today, we didn't need Colt to make many plays downfield with how awesome the run game was. That's not going to happen every game. He did more than we needed today, and overall, he played a very good game. I'm not complaining about his play. I'm saying that the people who are calling him the franchise quarterback are jumping the gun. I stated that I am cautiously optimistic.
The throws to Watson and Cribbs downfield were quite awful. Both had too much air under them and didn't give the receiver a chance.
Colt has played good football. He's had very few inaccurate throws and very few bad decisions. But to say that he's shown the smarts and accuracy of Bernie is quite ridiculous.
Here is the basic fact of the matter. Colt has played well, but not well enough to warrant the comparisons and title of Franchise QB. He hasn't made many huge plays vertically, and he has had the benefit of a great running game that won't be there every game. Today was incredibly fun to watch, and the entire team had a great game. Colt did very well, but i want to see if he has it to be the main focus of the offense. Obviously, I don't expect that from a rookie QB in his 3rd start, but until he shows that he has that ability, I don't feel that the praise he has been given is warranted. Can't we just say that he had a great game and leave it at that?
Buzz Killer 
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