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I wouldn't apologize to you for anything. I've done nothing to you to apologize for. You sound more and more like mac. You turn and twist everything to fit you. Just like you took colt's stats and broke them down in a way NO ONE else on this EARTH would break them down - in order to fit your agenda. Just like you attempt to come up with ANYTHING to belittle Mangini. Did he do something to your wife? Seriously - look at the replies to your posts. You are becoming a joke here. You can apologize to me here, man up and say you're wrong - you can apologize to me in pm - or you can continue to look like a jack ass. Your call. (oh, and as far as trying to make it look like I'm wrong? Dude - you ain't nothing. All you have is a gripe against mangini) I guarantee - if we finish 10-6 you'll be griping about Mangini - ANd McCoy. Give it up - you look like a bitter kid. A spoiled, bitter kid that didn't get a fifth slice of birthday cake. At someone else's party. Here's laughing at you. When you get back to talking football, let me know. Until then, keep hating. It makes you look "really cool. Like you "know" a lot". 
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I saw the footage...it was Cribbs...pretty much on his own....he didn't get his ne contract then, did he?  I know what I saw...if it's somwhere around the web please post it...it was ridiculous...player's bypassing Mangini on their way into the locker room with him standing on the entrance wanting to high five everyone, players not looking into his eyes (not all of course, but there were plenty)...in th elocker room he wasn't in the middle, if you didn't know, you'd think he's an assistant, player's held speaches, Mangini said next to nothing, no pep talk, nothing...it was a farce and I couldn't believe they put it up on the HP...since then I haven't seen one, lol and since then I was 100% sure he needs fired...I remember me thinking: "what a loser even on a W"
Are you for real? Do you even watch the game's? I believe you are a closset Stooler fan from the way you type....?????
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Keep digging that hole. Soon you will have your self covered.
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We beat the Saints - and you harp on how lucky we were. We smoke the Pats - and, according to you - it had nothing to do with the coaching/game plan, etc.
...that's BS....I gave them ample props for both games in numerous posts...what if I or anyone started throwing BS around about posters?
You were wrong, admit it and apologize....I'll even accept a political correct "I'll stand corerected"...cmon, don't make me embarrass yourself by quoting my postgame posts
...and I never twisted McCoys numbers...that's another fairy tale started by another stalker of mine with apparanetly limited reading-comprehension skills...this stuff is really bad for this board...you already run off many good posters with this BS...I have a thick skin but this mis-quoting is getting really boring....try an argument for a change or just don't respond if you think I'm talking out of my @$$
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Ah, look there....Mr. "Nowhere to be seen after 1-5", classy as always I'll eat my crow when Mangini has us winning consistently....and as I already said I'd gladly eat it....which part of that didn't you understand? I could be wrong about Mangini but I doubt it long term, gues you never were wrong...and god knows I know, lol....he could even have a winning season next year and I wouldn't crown him king...Romeo did that too in his 3rd year....I don't believe in him long term, he's just proven to not field consistent teams, in fact they've been streaky...in NY and here...and that's not getting the job done I'll stick to my "Same as Romeo, just the opposite" prediction..and as long as the bottom line isn't clearly better than Romeo's...well, he isn't better
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Thanks for posting that article... good read.
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I kept getting mental images of the Hanson brothers from the movie 'Slap Shot
That is perfect! Did you see the play where the New England player ran out of bounds on the Cleveland sideline and nearly ran Ryan over? Ryan strutted around and he looked half mad half crazy, started yelling at God knows who with a look on his face, then at the end he puts his set back on and cracks a smile and laughs.
psychotic I tell you . . . 
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Ah, look there....Mr. "Nowhere to be seen after 1-5", classy as always
Wasn't a lot of sense listenning to "resident experts" complain and carry on about a team not ready for prime time and act like they were.
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I'll eat my crow when Mangini has us winning consistently....and as I already said I'd gladly eat it....which part of that didn't you understand?
Here's what we both understand. This group of guys haven't developed the team chemistry and McCoy lacks the experience to do anything "consistantly".
We both know there will be lapses and off games. We'll look great some weeks and fall flat on others. It's the nature of the beast under our current ircumstances.
So you're basicly claiming you wish to see something that doesn't even exist yet. That gives you more time and moan and carry on while the team develops.
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I could be wrong about Mangini but I doubt it long term, gues you never were wrong...and god knows I know, lol....he could even have a winning season next year and I wouldn't crown him king...Romeo did that too in his 3rd year....I don't believe in him long term, he's just proven to not field consistent teams, in fact they've been streaky...in NY and here...and that's not getting the job done
And what has he had to do the job with? He was strapped with Favre and now Childress is strapped with Favre and will have the same end.
So tell me great Swammi what great QB or great weapons did we bestowe upon Mangini in order for him to produce this week in and week out consistancy?
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I'll stick to my "Same as Romeo, just the opposite" prediction..and as long as the bottom line isn't clearly better than Romeo's...well, he isn't better
Must be so easy to just stick with the odds and never believe in anything. Or rather boring. Face it, Mangini could take us to the SB next year and all you would do is carry on about how he had nothing to do with it.
Your shtick is getting old. And you're no Jim Rome.
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Sorry, I really don't follow your counter-argument... Is your counter that Cribbs gave Mangini the game ball to get a new contract? That's it? That's the most logical explanation?   and  That is straight up pathetic. Anyways, here is your article. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/a_very_special_victory_special.htmlMangini got the game ball, and I'm not sure who gave it to him. Let me just go back to my first point. This is a perfect example of you reaching to try to hammer home your Mangini-hate. Most of the time you make good points, but then you throw out stinkers like this.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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he could even have a winning season next year and I wouldn't crown him king...
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I don't believe in him long term, he's just proven to not field consistent teams, in fact they've been streaky...in NY and here
How do these statements not contradict each other? So you won't accept Mangini even if he has a winning season in his third year because it isn't enough time to prove his consistency, yet the exact same amount of time in New York was long enough to prove he can't field consistent teams?
That smacks of bias.
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..you already run off many good posters with this BS...I have a thick skin but this mis-quoting is getting really boring...
I've run off many good posters?????
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Well you do have all those shotguns....
Arch scares me
Django just makes me chuckle... it's funny, when you catch him twisting things or making brash unfounded statements that serve his agenda, he just wants you to ignore him...
ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO MANGINI...Otherwise, Jango knows stuff... But he's got these blinders on about Mangini...Completely unreasonable.
That makes me chuckle
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We beat the Saints - and you harp on how lucky we were. We smoke the Pats - and, according to you - it had nothing to do with the coaching/game plan, etc.
...that's BS....I gave them ample props for both games in numerous posts...
I try to be fair here. This is what I had read.
After the NO game, you did write how lucky we were. You wrote much about the things that we cannot count on happening every game (STs returns, 4 INTs, trick-plays, etc). And, you were correct in some regards. We will not win many games where the QB throws for 75 yards. Especially in blowout fashion. However, I, and many others, felt you didn't give enough credit to the coaches (other than Seely) for setting the team up to be able to have those things happen.
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...and I never twisted McCoys numbers...that's another fairy tale started by another stalker of mine with apparanetly limited reading-comprehension skills...
you used all passing downs to determine Colt's YPA (including attempts on sacks and scrambles. You never did add up his scrambles and subtract out his sack yardage though, so it was faulty from that standpoint to start.
and, i did not mind you using this way to calculate, however, if you were going to do so, you should have also done so for the NO and NE games, which you did not (and the NE game in particular would have seen over 10YPA by your method including his scrambles).
in addition, you say he didn't score a passing TD (other than garbage time vs. Pitt), but if you factor in his scrambles as 'passing downs' then you need to include his scramble TD vs. NE as a 'passing' TD.
this is why many see you as biased because you use stat's one way and then are not consistent the next time.
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I try to be fair here. This is what I had read.
After the NO game, you did write how lucky we were. You wrote much about the things that we cannot count on happening every game (STs returns, 4 INTs, trick-plays, etc). And, you were correct in some regards. We will not win many games where the QB throws for 75 yards. Especially in blowout fashion. However, I, and many others, felt you didn't give enough credit to the coaches (other than Seely) for setting the team up to be able to have those things happen.
1st off, arch said I didn't give the coaching staff credit for the NE game too...I DID give them kudos for both those last games
I did what you wrote, but even in my 1st post I congratulated Mangini and his staff...but in the same thread 1 or 2 days later I corrected what I said after re-watching the whole game as short-cut...I said the win was more convincing as I remembered on gameday....but McCoy was worse than I remembered....it wasn't the last post of the thread, so I'm sure some have read it
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you used all passing downs to determine Colt's YPA (including attempts on sacks and scrambles. You never did add up his scrambles and subtract out his sack yardage though, so it was faulty from that standpoint to start.
I never did that...honestly...quote me, I didnt do this...I looked at ALL HIS DROP BACKS, because that's where his play is highlighted...that was my premise and I made it completely clear...I did so, because he was sacked more than a "normal"-vet QB would have, esp. with our OL...I never did a YPA stat that way...what I did was look at his stats and YPA in 3 stat-categories: tie/1score game, 2 score game and 3 score game....his stats were obvisouly worse from 1score to 3 score game...and that was my FACTUAL point of what I saw anyway ...I just used those stats to underline what I saw...and those stats supported my reasoning
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in addition, you say he didn't score a passing TD (other than garbage time vs. Pitt), but if you factor in his scrambles as 'passing downs' then you need to include his scramble TD vs. NE as a 'passing' TD.
No, because it wasn't a passing TD...it was a drop back TD...so, yeah as I already said in the other thread....it counts and I won't take it away from him...this rushing TD was way more important than the passing TD vs PIT and it was above all a SMART decision to run instead of forcing it. Long term though we need a QB who can throw TDs in those situations...that was my point there...the TD itself was fine and important...and if he has the same setup every sunday, heck, run for a TD every sunday...but I doubt he will have that luxury of excellent blocking combined with crappy D play every sunday
Thanks for being honest and fair...
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The whole dropback thing Django was doing was to show that the team was "pass happy." It was a statement (IIRC) about the playcalling that some turned into McCoy's performance.
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Thank you....that's how all this started....I thought it wasn't smart to ask a rook to pass 40+ times in his 1st start...against the Steelers
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with Hillis hurt, what's the other option?
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