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Outside of the obvious reasons, one thing standing in our way is that our division and conference are pretty tough.
Baltimore and Pittsburgh are good teams. We'd need a lot of help in order to win the division.
Therefore, we'd have to sneak in as a wild card. And there are a lot of good teams out there in the AFC.
Let's assume for the moment that the Steelers win tonight. Here's how the standings would look in the AFC:
AFC East
NY Jets (6-2)
NE Patriots (6-2)
Miami Dolphins (4-4)
Buffalo Bills (0-8)
AFC North
Baltimore Ravens (6-2)
Pittsburgh Steelers (6-2)
Cleveland Browns (3-5)
Cincinnati Bengals (2-6)
AFC South
Tennessee Titans (5-3)
Indianapolis Colts (5-3)
Jacksonville Jaguars (4-4)
Houston Texans (4-4)
AFC West
KC Chiefs (5-3)
Oakland Raiders (5-4)
SD Chargers (4-5)
Denver Broncos (2-6)
So, there are currently 12 other AFC teams with better records than us. Take away 4 (for division winners) and you now only have 2 other wild card spots.
So, unless we win the division (which is going to be hard considering we already have 1 loss against the Ravens and Steelers), we not only need to dominate the rest of this season, but we need a lot of other teams to falter, too.
Maybe, but I still say we "control our own destiny" from here on out.
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The Ravens and Steelers still have to play each other...1 of them is going to lose...not to mention they both have to deal with us @ Cleveland at the end of the year whcih we could beat 1 or both of them at home.
The Steelers got "lucky" last night the Bengals don't have a kicker...that pass defense of the Steelers is atrocious...they got torched last night..the Steelers will fall apart down the stretch because they have a god awful secondary and they can't stop the pass...Also, the Steelers have yet to beat a team with a winning record...they are not as good as their record shows...the Steelers will implode down the stretch.
The Jets, Pats, and Phins all have to play each other and there are going to be losses their to teams in front of us right now...we took out the Pats, we beat the Jets and the Phins we move up big time.
The Titans, Colts, and Jags all have to play each other yet, someone has got to lose..maybe 2..we get the Jags this year...we just have to beat them.
The Cheifs are folding, the Raiders are decent and the Chargers are surging...those teams still got to play each other...someone is going to lose and help us.
I think the AFC is very competitive...I will not be suprised at all if 9-7 is enough to get us in with the way parity is...10-6 will get us in for sure....we control our own destiny here...all we got to do is keep winning and were in.
We are very lucky right now the way the NFL Schedule has shaken out that the teams in front of us will all kill each other so to speak....as long as this team keeps winning...we have a very realistic shot....
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Knight, stop daydreaming...we won't beat the Jets and Phins....I'd be surprised if we even beat 1of them....they both have a much better Front 7 than NE and D overall...we won't be able to move the ball much...just like against the Steelers and NO...we can only win those games with superb D and ST play (esp the MIA one, I've never seen a worse ST unit EVER)
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The Steelers got "lucky" last night the Bengals don't have a kicker...that pass defense of the Steelers is atrocious...they got torched last night..the Steelers will fall apart down the stretch because they have a god awful secondary and they can't stop the pass...Also, the Steelers have yet to beat a team with a winning record...they are not as good as their record shows...the Steelers will implode down the stretch.
I agree, they did get lucky last night, and they are the luckiest team in the world. But you're wrong saying they have yet to beat a team with a winning record. They beat the Falcons (6-2), Titans (5-3), Bucs (5-3).
They got lucky with at least two of their 6 wins (Miami & Cincy), and I don't know how they got by the Falcons & Titans, except that they were (again) lucky enough to catch them early in the season. If they had to play them now, I don't think they would be as lucky. We needed help from the kittens, and almost got it, but (at least part of) the rest of their schedule could cause them problems.
They have NE on a short week, then the Raiders, who are playing well, and definitely have something to prove. Buffalo hasn't been rolling over for anyone. Then they have the rats who have already beaten them, (depending on how they both do the next three weeks will determine who I root for). After that, they have Cincy again, then the Jets, then the Panthers (likely a win,) and then us. Three of those four games aren't "gimmes". So hopefully you're right, let the skid begin.
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So hopefully you're right, let the skid begin.
I do believe the Steelers were 6-2 when the skid started last year..they sqweaked out one against someone and then the following week the Raiders beat them late and got it started....The skid should begin sunday.
As much as we dominated the Patriots, Mendenhall is not Hillis...he has no where near the power...the Pats will not be run all over by Mendy...That Pats should hunker down and swallow up that run...
Bellichik rarely loses two in a row, then they got a very good up and coming Raiders team...there is a very good chance the Steelers skid begins Sunday...
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Knight, stop daydreaming...we won't beat the Jets and Phins....I'd be surprised if we even beat 1of them....they both have a much better Front 7 than NE and D overall...we won't be able to move the ball much...just like against the Steelers and NO...we can only win those games with superb D and ST play (esp the MIA one, I've never seen a worse ST unit EVER)
I still say you under estimate McCoy....the Steelers just "drew lucky" that they got Colt in his first game...Colt is becoming more seasoned every week....
Colt will come out throwing early against the Jets and will do well...he will force the Jets to take the 8th man out of the box so we can run Hillis..
I don't care If McCoy only passes for 170 yards a game with no TD and no ints all year...as long as they makes no mistakes, converts a few 3rd downs when we need them, and continues to do his part to help put Hillis and our D in positions to win games I don't care.
it way more then stat sheets DJango...Colt Mcoy does "all the little things right" and those "little things" often are the difference between winning and losing...
How bout Palmer last night...250 yards passing and 2 TD still lose...how bout Kelly Holmcomb a few years ago...4 TD passes in a PO game still lost...Manning threw what 5 TD passes a few years ago and lost the game?
The more games you keep your QB at 20 or less passing attempts...you win most of those games...don't look a gift horse in the mouth..Colt is playing his role well and needs to continue to do so...he will most likely start the game with a few passes to open things up...Colt will continue to play his game and ya know what...I don't care what it looks like as long as we keep winning...
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I'm not talking about stats, his stats look fine in fact...I'm talking about what I see....he hasn't made a decent deep throw yet in 3 games and that's not going to cut it in this league long term...you need to be able to THROW TDs in this league as a QB, you know? We won't be ahead 2 scores in every game thanks to some trickery or ST/D TDs or opponent TO (that's what happened the ast 2 weeks)...there will be games where those things go the other way and then WE are down 10-0 and have to rely on a QB that can pick apart a D that knows you will be throwing at them...and I think Colt isn't that kind of QB....in my eyes he's a pure game manager....and for that to work (and it can work pretty good, mind you) you need a dominant running game and dominant D
He's a "not to lose" QB...I want a QB that can win games on his own, making deep throws into tight coverage...I know it's unfair to expectthis froma rook but from what I've seen there are no indications he can physically do this if need be...no matter how much experience he is going to get...he knows WHAT to do, but he simply can't do it all...that's my point
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No I am just finally happy again with team and actually see Mangini is building something good here and we need to stick with it. Last Sunday against the Pats was a blueprint of what this team will look like after Eric is done building...it looks like the 80's Browns I grew up watching, and he got my vote.
Even if we don't win Sunday, guy still got my vote...hes got my vote for the next 2 years atleast barring a total disaster. I can see what he wants to build, Eric grew sunday but so did I...I was wrong..Colt McCoy was my fav pick out of the draft and I am thrilled the kid is playing so well and with such poise!
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I'm not talking about stats, his stats look fine in fact...I'm talking about what I see....he hasn't made a decent deep throw yet in 3 games and that's not going to cut it in this league long term
The deep throw to Cribbs was a sure 6 points had Cribbs not slowed down on the route...that is a timing issue and as these guys play together longer the deep routes will be there....its the same with Watson...he slowed up just a bit...as these guys work together more you will see those deep routes develop...its more then a QB throwing the ball..timing and tendencies are a big part of that.
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He's a "not to lose" QB...I want a QB that can win games on his own, making deep throws into tight coverage...I know it's unfair to expectthis froma rook but from what I've seen there are no indications he can physically do this if need be
He is more then capable of throwing a deep ball...he did so at Texas on many occasions...I watched this kid a ton in college...he showed signs of that Sunday with some decent deep throws..McCoy can physically make all these throws...yes he can..once the receiver get more and more on the same page you will see it....also add more talent at WR won't hurt either. McCoy has the toolset to be a franchise guy or at the very least a Brian Sipe kinda guy that wins games on pure heart.
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in my eyes he's a pure game manager....and for that to work (and it can work pretty good, mind you) you need a dominant running game and dominant D
isn't that What Mangini is trying to build here? A solid brusing running game and a great D with WR and back that ate good blockers so we can run the ball, play good Defense, and have a QB that won't lose us the game?
Sounds very Tom Brady circa 2000
oh and in 2000...Tom Brady didn't "air it out" 70 yards on a regular basis either...he grew much like McCoy is right now that year...the 3-5 yard TE Screen to Christian Fauria was paramount in that offense 
McCoy is very capable of leading this team......all the kid has done is winner....he was a winner at Texas, and he has been a winner here....all the kid does is find ways to win games and to do his part to help us win games...yes McCoy converting 3rd downs, not throwing dumb INTS is good.
Phil Simms once said:
"ANY drive that ends with a kick is a good drive...be that kick be an extra point, a field goal, or a punt...its a good drive"
why? because it means you didn't turn the stinking ball over and as long as you don't commit turnovers...you got a chance in any game...the more you pass the greater the % of an int is...this is common sense....this team needs to continue to keep Colt at 20-22 att a game...if we keep him under that mark..it means were most likely winning the game and i'll take that! 
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The deep throw to Cribbs was a sure 6 points had Cribbs not slowed down on the route...that is a timing issue and as these guys play together longer the deep routes will be there....its the same with Watson...he slowed up just a bit...as these guys work together more you will see those deep routes develop...its more then a QB throwing the ball..timing and tendencies are a big part of that.
Cribbs HAD to slow down because the ball was badly underthrown...I've seen this same throw at least 2 or 3 other times from him...all have been underthrown jump balls
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He is more then capable of throwing a deep ball...he did so at Texas on many occasions...I watched this kid a ton in college...he showed signs of that Sunday with some decent deep throws..
So did several scouts and they said he struggles there...I posted the nfl.com scouting report and it's pretty much in every report...and it's also what I saw from him as Browns QB
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isn't that What Mangini is trying to build here? A solid brusing running game and a great D with WR and back that ate good blockers so we can run the ball, play good Defense, and have a QB that won't lose us the game?
Cool, but I think that's too 1 dimensional...having a good QB makes everything easier....so why try to be perfect on everything else? I disagree with this philosophy...you need a great team to make an AVG QB work, otoh a great QB can make an AVG team work (see Indy, NE)
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Pats have 29th D...we still will struggle against any team that can slow down Hillis, so PIT, BAL, MIA and NYJ are tough assignments...but those games will tell the story on McCoy
So this late third round pick will have the story told about his career in these four games? A kid most of us thought would be at least a one year project and maybe a two year project before he was even ready to start?
The kid who was our third stringer until injuries forced him into the line up? With three whole starts under his belt?
I don't think so Tim.............................
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If the Browns are to make the playoffs, they can only afford to lose one more game. It looks like they are playing with a "nothing to lose" attitude right now, so they need to keep that going. I get the feeling this year will be a tiebreaker nightmare at the end of the season.
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I can agree with that...and it's a point of view I perfectly understand and see too....he's doing fine overall for a rook against the competition...I see lesser good plays than others but overall we can agree that for a rook he's doing ok...he isn't losing us any games with stupid mistakes
My "problem", if anything, is his long term ceiling and most importantly the FOs and fan base thinking of it and reaction to it....most fans and maybe the FO think he's at least the short term future....it's unfair to judge him after 4 games, I get that...I do it this early because I think his flaws are not correctable
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I don't see the slightest chance.
Take a look at the AFC standings.
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Not to be a buzzkill, but....... If there was a rule that we couldn't talk about playoffs unless we were .500 or better, I wouldn't complain. Part of the reason Browns fans are so schizophrenic is that they start talking playoffs at 3-5. Then get "FIRE EVERYONE RIGHT NOW!!!!" when we lose a game we should probably lose based on everything. If I had one piece of advice it would be to appreciate the last couple games, make a toast, kick your feet up and enjoy what you're watching. No need to make crazy projections into the future. Just enjoy the present and look forward to Sunday. [/soapbox\] 
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Not to be a buzzkill, but.......
If there was a rule that we couldn't talk about playoffs unless we were .500 or better, I wouldn't complain.
Part of the reason Browns fans are so schizophrenic is that they start talking playoffs at 3-5. Then get "FIRE EVERYONE RIGHT NOW!!!!" when we lose a game we should probably lose based on everything.
If I had one piece of advice it would be to appreciate the last couple games, make a toast, kick your feet up and enjoy what you're watching. No need to make crazy projections into the future. Just enjoy the present and look forward to Sunday.
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Absolutely in agreement!!!
DC said earlier in the thread it would suck if the failure to hold leads against the Bucs and Chiefs kept us out....and if we HAD held those leads and were 5-3 now instead of 3-5 then playoff talk would not be out of the question. Not at all!
However, we are 3-5. Three games back from the division leaders with one loss to each of them already. Overall, there are a total of 12 teams in the AFC that have a better record than us.
The ENTIRE AFC South has a better record.
3 in the East and 3 in the West have better records.
When we have a proper ratio of more points scored than points allowed, a winning record, and have the division lead or are within 2 games with 3 or more left to play THEN I will personally start thinking about playoffs.
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Totally on board with that.
I am content with enjoying the growth of the team and the direction we seem to be heading. We have 53 guys who play football for a full 60 minutes. We can no longer sneak up on anyone, the poundings we delvered the last two times out were noticed. We have the right kind (tough and smart) of players on the team and they are working in the system that's in place.
Even though we are only 1 game ahead of Cincy, it feels like a lot more. The teams are moving in different directions.
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The one and only thing that IRKS THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ME is the fact that there may not be football in 2011......we are getting closer and when windows of opportunity open you have to embrace and take benefit of them before they close. And our window may be slammed shut for us.
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The one and only thing that IRKS THE LIVING HELL OUT OF ME is the fact that there may not be football in 2011......we are getting closer and when windows of opportunity open you have to embrace and take benefit of them before they close. And our window may be slammed shut for us.
Dammit.
Kind of like, what was it.. the '94 Indians? and the one strike season of the Browns.
Browns is the Browns
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Totally on board with that.
I am content with enjoying the growth of the team and the direction we seem to be heading. We have 53 guys who play football for a full 60 minutes. We can no longer sneak up on anyone, the poundings we delvered the last two times out were noticed. We have the right kind (tough and smart) of players on the team and they are working in the system that's in place.
Even though we are only 1 game ahead of Cincy, it feels like a lot more. The teams are moving in different directions.
^^ This,...Maybe not this year, but this will eventually lead to the playoffs. Would you like to get the Tampa and KC games back, or what ? We're not that far away. It is really starting to feel good.
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I have to second that emotion (or 3rd it?).
For this season, win or lose, if we continue to play the way we have been, this will be a successful season without making the playoffs.
I can say that happily because I know that even if it doesn't work out for us this year, the future is bright with this group.
Browns is the Browns
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Totally on board with that.
I am content with enjoying the growth of the team and the direction we seem to be heading. We have 53 guys who play football for a full 60 minutes. We can no longer sneak up on anyone, the poundings we delvered the last two times out were noticed. We have the right kind (tough and smart) of players on the team and they are working in the system that's in place.
Even though we are only 1 game ahead of Cincy, it feels like a lot more. The teams are moving in different directions.
^^ This,...Maybe not this year, but this will eventually lead to the playoffs. Would you like to get the Tampa and KC games back, or what ? We're not that far away. It is really starting to feel good.
Man I'd love to have KC and Tampa back right now.. to be sitting here 5-3..whew,, that would be sweet..
Even still, I'm pretty positive about the direction of the team...
Ya know what, It's fun to watch football again... it's really a lot of fun...
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Man I'd love to have KC and Tampa back right now.. to be sitting here 5-3..whew,, that would be sweet..
it's not just you Daman, but why does EVERYONE leave out the Baltimore game when doing these 'what if' scenarios? we had 4th quarter leads against all 3.
i'd rather have held the lead against Baltimore than beaten both TB and KC. Especially wtih Pitt's injuries mounting up, I'd take being a game back of the ratbirds with the tiebreaker in our backpocket and another game against them.
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I leave it out because -- even though we had the lead -- we couldn't hold it. The Ravens took the game back from us, whereas Tampa and KC, we made our own (mistake) bed.
But you are correct,....I would trade a win in the Baltimore game for those 2 losses,...
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it's not just you Daman, but why does EVERYONE leave out the Baltimore game when doing these 'what if' scenarios? we had 4th quarter leads against all 3.
Because Bmore's overall talent showed up in the fourth.
Plus the fact the execution and playcalling were the main weaknesses.
No they didn[t stop Hillis but then there no passing game whatso ever..plus the plays being called was too vannilla,too easy to defense.
It was like the Browns were still in preseason and the opponents were in the regular season.
But I'll say this..if they beat the Jets,then they've beaten 3 playoff teams..it appears also to be the matchup involved.
The team has made some adjustments that they were getting exploited with,there are still some weaknesses they need to shore up,namely the TE' coming in the short areas..a situaton that certain teams will test the Browns on every opportunity.
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namely the TE' coming in the short areas..a situaton that certain teams will test the Browns on every opportunity.
though early in the year we were covering the short TE and flat routes extremely well but getting burnt by the deeper stuff. i think one of the adjustments we have made was to give the TE and some of the underneath stuff more to make sure we completely cut off the longer stuff.
mike wallace, colston, and tate (the deep threats from the past 3 teams we have faced) haven't been lighting us up like the deep threats from the earlier games.
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It is possible that the Browns can handle the Jets,but it won't be Edwards beating them..it's Holmes..he's had big games against the Browns..
I think they can hold down the Jets running game..anyone miss DQ?
Plus the exotic fronts should confuse Sanchez,but Ryan has to mis it up and not show all those looks right away,
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i'm worried about the exotic fronts playing into the hands of their OL for the run game. hopefully that is not the case.
yes, Santonio is the one to fear, not Braylon. I don't think you will get any arguments on that one.
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 817
All Pro
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All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
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Quote:
I think someone has stolen KoB's password and is posing as a Browns fan.
I'm very confused. Did he say what I thought he said.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
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Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 56
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I'm with you -- I don't care who we beat as long as we beat enough teams to allow us to accomplish the goal of making the playoffs. I wouldn't want to name the teams we "will" beat.
I think that if we took the Browns' schedule and selected the teams we should beat and the teams to which we should have lost TO THIS POINT IN THE SEASON, we have probably managed to lose to teams we should have beaten and beaten teams to whom we were probably picked to lose. If we are to really make a scene on the NFL landscape, we are going to have to beat the ones we are supposed beat and continue winning games we are supposed to lose. (Man! Is that wisdom or what?)
What?
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DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Playoffs!? Playoffs!? You talking
about Playoffs!?
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