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Mangini left Belicheck after being the coordinator 1 year, right?
Look what happened to Jason Garrett.
If Ryan is offered a head coaching job we should say take it and congratulations.
Unless it's Cincinnati.
or Dallas...
Oh of course,, if he's offered a HC job, he should indeed take it.. But if it's Dallas,, I'd pass. I'm not sure why anyone would want that job..
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I agree Dallas is not a situation most coaches would want to go into. I just meant I don't want to see Ryan in the division. However, Mangini's karma (not that I believe in that) would point to his coordinator leaving early within the division. I just hope he's (mangini's) not doing anything not on the up-and-up that he can get called out on later. 
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Mangini left Belicheck after being the coordinator 1 year, right?
Look what happened to Jason Garrett.
If Ryan is offered a head coaching job we should say take it and congratulations.
Unless it's Cincinnati.
or Dallas...
Oh of course,, if he's offered a HC job, he should indeed take it.. But if it's Dallas,, I'd pass. I'm not sure why anyone would want that job..
He can afford to be picky. Nobody looking to fire their coach so far this year is the kind of team someone wanting to be a HC just looks at and says "I jump in it!" He's had the benefit of seeing the difference between a functional and dysfunctional front office in a very dramatic fashion.
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I agree Dallas is not a situation most coaches would want to go into.
Part of the reason that most would not want it is actually why I think Ryan would be perfect for Dallas.
He likely wouldn't care about having control over personnel, so Jerry would be fine to continue that aspect.
He wouldn't mind all the personalities that Jerry throws at him.
And, most importantly, he would be playing for an owner that would relish his personality. Jerry would love his soundbites and exuberance in press conferences (if he kept the language a tiny bit more PG). Jerry loves press, Rob Ryan would get press.
that said, I hope the whole NFL ignores our defensive progress and he remains our DC into the future.
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I can see that, however,, all those personalities aside,, Jerry hasn't exactly been picking up GREAT talent in recent years...
If I were head coaching talent, I'd shy away from any owner that press happy..
But that's just me..
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The question is "If you think you're really close to hitting the big time with the Browns and becoming known as one of the Smart Boys, do you jump ship early or after the Process is complete?"
Easy: you jump ship. Any coach under the age of 65 that works in NFL as a coordinator does so for one reason: to become an NFL head coach. With only 32 teams and dozens of coaches on every NFL roster, these job offers don't come up very often, especially if you've never been a head coach before at any level (like Ryan).
Simply put, you get an offer to be the head coach of an NFL franchise, you take it. Anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding himself.
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If Ryan is offered a head coaching job we should say take it and congratulations.
Unless it's Cincinnati.
They're definitely going to be needing a coach after this season...or sooner. Hopefully he isn't foolish enough to work for Mikey Brown. That team needs a complete overhaul.
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If Rob was to take the job in Dallas (will never happen) but if, he could never go home again. Buddy pushed the Eagles vs Cowboys rivalry to an all time high. Man he just hated every single thing about the boys. I still cringe from the matchup of bears vs. Cowboys which basicly ended careers including Landry and Danny White. Never saw any team take a beating that bad and it had nothing to do with the score lol.
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I would too, but Rob Ryan is press-happy by nature (I don't think he cares what the press thinks of him, more that because of his nature the press loves his soundbites).
and as someone else noted, there are only 32 teams. if one of them offers you a HC job, you take it.
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I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever with us giving him the Asst. Head Coach title and upping his salary to nearly match whatever it is Mangini gets. Obviously, the Head Coach should always get more, but if it is merely a money issue, I'd say Pay The Man and keep him here. Don't upset the apple cart if we can avoid it.
Another year or two down the line when we're much more established, and we've perhaps gotten a quality replacement groomed, then sure we can let him go.... but, right now I don't want to lose a good thing if we can avoid it.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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The question is "If you think you're really close to hitting the big time with the Browns and becoming known as one of the Smart Boys, do you jump ship early or after the Process is complete?"
I don't know what kinda guy Ryan is,,, His brother says he's very loyal to Mangini.. so that might cause him to want to stay put to see it through. Not sure.
As for Holmgren, he strikes me as a guy that doesn't want to leave things half finished. So maybe he'll stay put...
If he turns down a head coaching position, it shows he is a dumb man.
Loyalty or not, these guys are on career paths.
He wouldn't turn down a NFL head coaching job to remain a DC for the Cleveland Browns.
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He wouldn't turn down a NFL head coaching job to remain a DC for the Cleveland Browns.
Probably... at least not until he's had his shot at being a Head Coach to see whether or not he can do it... or even likes it.
I look at a guy like LeBeau and age aside, I don't think he'd ever go back to Head Coach simply because I think that he's learned that his niche where he truly excels is as a DC.... same for Romeo, and maybe Weiss.
Actually, I think that's the case for most head caoches... it is the rare few who are better at head coaching than they are as a coordinator.
Browns is the Browns
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He wouldn't turn down a NFL head coaching job to remain a DC for the Cleveland Browns.
Probably... at least not until he's had his shot at being a Head Coach to see whether or not he can do it... or even likes it.
I look at a guy like LeBeau and age aside, I don't think he'd ever go back to Head Coach simply because I think that he's learned that his niche where he truly excels is as a DC.... same for Romeo, and maybe Weiss.
Actually, I think that's the case for most head caoches... it is the rare few who are better at head coaching than they are as a coordinator.
I can agree with that, but since he hasn't been a head coach yet, he'll jump at the first offer.
Plus....you know it has to bother him a little that his twin is a head coach and he isn't.
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He wouldn't turn down a NFL head coaching job to remain a DC for the Cleveland Browns.
Probably... at least not until he's had his shot at being a Head Coach to see whether or not he can do it... or even likes it.
I look at a guy like LeBeau and age aside, I don't think he'd ever go back to Head Coach simply because I think that he's learned that his niche where he truly excels is as a DC.... same for Romeo, and maybe Weiss.
Actually, I think that's the case for most head caoches... it is the rare few who are better at head coaching than they are as a coordinator.
totally agree. kinda wish we had a coordinator like that, but i'm sure rob jumps at the chance. and if daboll continues to impress, he will get his chance.
the success rate favors you being back to an OC or DC though. i think some don't realize how hard it is. i think mangini is now realizing that. having holmgren and heckert around is making his job much much easier.
the money is the big thing though. it's a giant pay raise even if you know that you're most likely going to fail, you take it. it's quite the advance.
i think rob will end up being one of those guys that should be only a DC. seems like rex is a little better at handling an entire roster.
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I could easily see Cower taking the Carolina job. (with full control) I really think that's where his heart is. It's close to home, and he really doesn't have to take just any job.
If Lewis is let go in Cincinnati, I could see him getting another gig rather quickly. He's done a good job with an owner who has made some really stupid calls on personnel.
If Lewis leaves Cincinnati, I have heard that their OC Bratkowski is in line for the head job. I have read that Brown likes him a lot in a number of different places.
There could be musical chairs with Head Coaches this go around. It seems like we go from the "Assistant" round to the "Experienced"round and back again. Something tells me that once things start falling into place, we'll see more experienced guys getting jobs this time.
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Bratkowski over Zimmer as the in-house candidate? that would be a surprise, but certainly not out of the question.
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You know ... maybe it was Zimmer now that I think about it.
The point of the articles was that the Bengals are likely to look in house if the replace Lewis.
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