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I have seen this team go toe to toe with 4 of the best teams in the league this week. Us coming out the victors in 2..
Over the next Five weeks our Schedule looks like this with their Overall Defensive Rank:
Jacksonville Jaguars - 28th
Carolina Panthers - 14th
Miami Dolphins - 8th
Buffalo Bills - 26th
Cincinnati Bengals - 15th
This is a dramatic drop from what we have seen and put up against the last 4 weeks in with the exception of New England which we owned.
Pittsburgh Steelers - 9th
New Orleans Saints - 3rd
New England Patriots 29th
New York Jets 5th
Now we jump to the Jacksonville Jaguars who are really honestly mediocre in all categories. We have got to come into this come and just completely dominate for me to believe this team is for real.
If we want to get the next tier of teams that just smell blood when the competition is lesser form, then we need to go into Jacksonville with the same energy that they played with the past 4 weeks and not play down to the level of the competition.
We need to go into Jacksonville and deliver an absolute spanking for me to really become a believer. A complete dominant and decisive victory.. Over a lesser quality team IMHO.
That makes me a believer.. How about you?
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I just want wins.
You can't always choose how your games will wind up playing out. Wouldn't you think that the Saints and Patriots both expected to dominate us? I bet that both would be happier with just having come away with a victory.
The whole key in the NFL is to win. If you can't win, then improve. Frankly, if you don't win, and don't improve, you won't have a job for long.
I expect that we will wind up with 6-8 wins when all is said and done. To me that would be a pretty solid year given the extremely tough schedule we wound up playing ..... especially if we found our QB of the future in the process.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'm already a believer. 
Browns is the Browns
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I have always, forever, been a believer. A hoper. That every week we can win. Regardless.
Believed when we fired Kosar.
Believed when we passed on Cowher.
Believed when we hired Romeo,...and drafted Quinn.
Completely believed in everything Art Modell did until he moved My Team.
The only thing that can be believed in is winning. Nothing else counts.
I just want to believe that my belief and trust in the organization is repaid one day in a Super Bowl victory.
Nothing else matters.
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I have seen this team go toe to toe with 4 of the best teams in the league this week. Us coming out the victors in 2..
Over the next Five weeks our Schedule looks like this with their Overall Defensive Rank:
Jacksonville Jaguars - 28th
Carolina Panthers - 14th
Miami Dolphins - 8th
Buffalo Bills - 26th
Cincinnati Bengals - 15th
This is a dramatic drop from what we have seen and put up against the last 4 weeks in with the exception of New England which we owned.
Pittsburgh Steelers - 9th
New Orleans Saints - 3rd
New England Patriots 29th
New York Jets 5th
Now we jump to the Jacksonville Jaguars who are really honestly mediocre in all categories. We have got to come into this come and just completely dominate for me to believe this team is for real.
If we want to get the next tier of teams that just smell blood when the competition is lesser form, then we need to go into Jacksonville with the same energy that they played with the past 4 weeks and not play down to the level of the competition.
We need to go into Jacksonville and deliver an absolute spanking for me to really become a believer. A complete dominant and decisive victory.. Over a lesser quality team IMHO.
That makes me a believer.. How about you?
I'm pretty much already a believer.. you said it yourself.. 4 top shelf teams,, we come away with 2 wins and an OT Fight to the finish in one of the 2 losses..
On top of all that, I belive we have our QB for a long long time..
I'm a believer.....
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We need to go into Jacksonville and deliver an absolute spanking for me to really become a believer. A complete dominant and decisive victory.. Over a lesser quality team IMHO.
That makes me a believer.. How about you?
I can't buy into that logic.. Jacksonville is 5-4 with wins over the Colts and Houston.. how do you figure they are a lesser quality team that we should dominate? Yea, they've been blown out a few times, they seem to be all over the map but I don't see them as inferior to us and I'll take a W no matter how it comes.. we aren't near good enough to be judging style points yet.... I'm sure they are looking at the Browns thinking, "The Browns have played well lately but this is still a very winnable game for us." at least that's what I'd be thinking if I was them.
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Ok let me clarify what I meant by believing.. I meant being a believer that we are a top level team
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Answer's probably the same.
Wins.
Mistakeless football.
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When Steeler fans say,..." Oh no, we've got the Browns this week."
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I can't buy into that logic.. Jacksonville is 5-4 with wins over the Colts and Houston.. how do you figure they are a lesser quality team that we should dominate? Yea, they've been blown out a few times, they seem to be all over the map but I don't see them as inferior to us and I'll take a W no matter how it comes.. we aren't near good enough to be judging style points yet.... I'm sure they are looking at the Browns thinking, "The Browns have played well lately but this is still a very winnable game for us." at least that's what I'd be thinking if I was them.
Ya see now your getting into the Attitude part of it. So are saying you want the Browns and Us to go into this game with the idea in our heads that THEY are the better team? NO you go in the game thinking your better.. Its part of the whole Idea of believing.
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Ok let me clarify what I meant by believing.. I meant being a believer that we are a top level team
we are 3-6. we are not a top level team.
if we win out (unlikely) we are 10-6 and maybe this year that qualifies for a top level team and indicates we might be next year, but usually that is not a top level team either 
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Ok let me clarify what I meant by believing.. I meant being a believer that we are a top level team
Top Level? No, not at all... not yet. We need some more bodies for that.
Legitimate, non-patsy team that nobody can look past any longer? Absolutely, I'm a believer.
Browns is the Browns
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we are 3-6. we are not a top level team.
We are better than our record shows.. and I think our play in the last 4 weeks has showed that
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I can't buy into that logic.. Jacksonville is 5-4 with wins over the Colts and Houston.. how do you figure they are a lesser quality team that we should dominate? Yea, they've been blown out a few times, they seem to be all over the map but I don't see them as inferior to us and I'll take a W no matter how it comes.. we aren't near good enough to be judging style points yet.... I'm sure they are looking at the Browns thinking, "The Browns have played well lately but this is still a very winnable game for us." at least that's what I'd be thinking if I was them.
Ya see now your getting into the Attitude part of it. So are saying you want the Browns and Us to go into this game with the idea in our heads that THEY are the better team? NO you go in the game thinking your better.. Its part of the whole Idea of believing.
LOL.. I believe the Browns will win this game.. I'm just saying that there is a fine line when you start thinking a team is a "lesser team" or an "inferior team" that you start taking them lightly... there is a fine line between confidance and arrogance... we need confidance and should have it now that we can compete with anybody.. hopefully we still have that underdog feeling that nothing is a given and we need to outwork EVERYBODY if we expect to get a W.. that's what I mean.
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Browns will win the next 5. Book it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You certainly won't be getting them from me. 
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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umm.. the teams we are facing next are not to be taken lightly.. they might not be as good as the teams we just played, but they can still beat us.
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I believe Daboll will disappoint , he seems to play to the level of the teams we face. The worse the team the worse his coaching. Please prove me wrong Daboll. I believe Colt is the man
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I honestly think Daboll has turned a corner. I have no idea what him and Mangini were doing at the end of the game yesterday, but other than that, I think he's learning from his mistakes. Of course, having solid QB play goes a long, long way.
Do I really think we'll win the next 5? Odds are that we won't. But it also won't be a surprise if we do. It all depends on Colt.
I've always said find the QB and the wins will come. Colt is making the players and coaches look good. The players respond to him. The D plays better because of him - whether he keeps them off the field or because he just makes them feel like their effort will not be in vain. It's the biggest trickle down effect in sports. QBs make great coaches and players in this league. It's been that way for a long, long time.
David Harris' comments about McCoy were mind boggling to me. If that wasn't the single biggest bit of praise to date, I don't know what is. You know you've arrived when your peers from another team are giving you unsolicited praise to the level he did.
And folks, McCoy is going to have a crappy game sooner or later. Don't have a meltdown!
It's like a magic potion. Take Mangini's core beliefs and sprinkle in great QB play and you have a recipe for success.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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This I tend to agree with. Daboll seems like he pulls out all the stops when we are the big underdog and he's trying to prove a point but when we face somebody of roughly equal caliber he gets conserative.. he needs to change that.. which is why I said we need to keep that underdog mentality..
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I believe we are heading in the right direction. I believe in the players, the coaching staff and the front office. I believe the team will disappoint us more than once more this season because of turnovers, mistakes and penalties. I believe we are 4-5 starters away from being a top notch team. I believe every game from here on out, including the Panthers will be a Dawg fight. I believe in Colt, and believe he is our starter for the rest of the year, and on into next year unless he is injured or completely loses his mind. I believe we'll lose Rob Ryan next year and that could set us waaaay back. I believe we still have a ways to go. But I believe.
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Believe? I already believe we're a good team... it just isn't reflected in our W-L record.
I also agree with others that a win versus the Jags isn't guaranteed, or against anybody else for that matter.
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I can't buy into that logic.. Jacksonville is 5-4 with wins over the Colts and Houston.. how do you figure they are a lesser quality team that we should dominate? Yea, they've been blown out a few times, they seem to be all over the map but I don't see them as inferior to us and I'll take a W no matter how it comes.. we aren't near good enough to be judging style points yet.... I'm sure they are looking at the Browns thinking, "The Browns have played well lately but this is still a very winnable game for us." at least that's what I'd be thinking if I was them.
Ya see now your getting into the Attitude part of it. So are saying you want the Browns and Us to go into this game with the idea in our heads that THEY are the better team? NO you go in the game thinking your better.. Its part of the whole Idea of believing.
LOL.. I believe the Browns will win this game.. I'm just saying that there is a fine line when you start thinking a team is a "lesser team" or an "inferior team" that you start taking them lightly... there is a fine line between confidance and arrogance... we need confidance and should have it now that we can compete with anybody.. hopefully we still have that underdog feeling that nothing is a given and we need to outwork EVERYBODY if we expect to get a W.. that's what I mean.
How can you know difference between confidence and arrogance from a few sentences I wrote? Take it easy buddy.. Your getting way to excited from a simple post with a simple meaning...
BTW Confidence and Arrogance go hand in hand.. The people who are the best know they are.. and they walk around with the swagger of being the best.. not an "under dawg" mentality
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"It ain't bragging if you can DO IT."
This team can DO IT.
We know it, the players know it, and so does the rest of the NFL.
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I believe we'll lose Rob Ryan next year and that could set us waaaay back.
Not trying to change the subject here.......well, maybe I am.  But do we have anyone on our defensive coaching staff that could possibly step up into what must be some pretty large shoes?
I have a little faith in our defense even if we do lose Rob Ryan because Defense is supposedly Mangini's forte'. But just feeling everyone out on what happens if we do lose Rob??????
By the way, I allready beleive we are heading in the right direction, we aren't there yet, but we are light years ahead of where we were two yrs. ago.
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I believe we'll lose Rob Ryan next year and that could set us waaaay back.
Not trying to change the subject here.......well, maybe I am. But do we have anyone on our defensive coaching staff that could possibly step up into what must be some pretty large shoes?
I have a little faith in our defense even if we do lose Rob Ryan because Defense is supposedly Mangini's forte'. But just feeling everyone out on what happens if we do lose Rob??????
By the way, I allready beleive we are heading in the right direction, we aren't there yet, but we are light years ahead of where we were two yrs. ago.
After we beat the Jets in the Wild Card round, they fire Rex and we hire him to replace Rob who will go coach the Jets.
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What about Bryan Cox? I think he could provide some of the fire that Rob brings to this team. I also think he has done a good job with our aging (yet experienced) D-line. I really like the way younger players like Rubin and Schaefering have progressed this year. I think Schaefering has flown under the radar around here, but when watching him play this season, he's been solid.
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This has to be the biggest crock of BS I've read on here for a long time.
When you know you're good you have self confidence, not arrogance.
The biggest bad a$$es in the bar aren't out there strutting it. They're sitting quietly having a drink laughing at the jokers strutting around trying to convince everyone else how bad a$$ they are.
Arrogance is nothing more than a sign of immaturity. Self confidence is something one carries within. Often times arrogance is nothing more than someone thinking they're something they're not. So caught up in their own insecurities they must act out to convince others of something they're not all that sure about themselves.
And that's not an opinion.
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If we stay in house, Brad Seely or Brian Cox. More likely Cox, but I wouldn't count out Seely. If we go outside, maybe make a run at John Fox. Other candidates, Todd Bowles or maybe bring home Bo Pelini. Hate to see us lose Rob, but it'll likely happen this year, IMHO.
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After how they played against the Patriots and New York you can't help but think anyone left on this schedule is fair game to say that we have a shot at winning.
That being said, the two teams that could be a problem are Jax., and Miami. Everytime I look at this Jacksonville team I am reminded of that game show where you had to identify the real person from the panel of three contestants. ¨Will the real so-and-so please stand up?¨¨
Some games they look pathetic and others not so bad and we always have a strange history with them going back to the bottle incident.
I think they HAVE to pummel Carolina and Buffalo.
Either way they have me believing that we are on our way. One good offseason and we could make a case for playoffs.
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We are better than our record shows.. and I think our play in the last 4 weeks has showed that
Really?
327yds vs PIT (and thats WITH the garbage yds)
210yds vs Saints (68 of them by the P)
404yds vs Pats (against 29th D but still was a great game and imho the only real good one to date)
303yds vs Jets
we allowed 378, 394, 283 and 456yds respectively in those games
So, what you guys call "better" is being outgained 1244 to 1511yds
We are 3-6, that's reality and we aren't much beter than that:
We are 26th on Offense (29th passing, 12th rushing)
We are 24th on Defense (24th pass, 19th rush)
That are pretty much numbers of a 3-6 team...and not much better, that's reality folks...."better than last year's Browns" doesn't mean we're better than the league average improvement of sucky teams (in fact there's an argument we are behind that curve just looking at last year's top 10 pickers)
You think we are better than 3-6? Ok, let's look at other 3-6 teams:
Denver....won IN TEN, beat the crap out of KC, lost to NYJ on a crap PI call in last minute
Minnesota....lost nail biters to NO, MIA and GB
SF....close losses to NO, PHI, ATL, CAR
ARI...beat NO and won in STL, lost heartbreakers to MIN and TB
My argument? Every "below AVG" team has good games against good/better opponents...still, many teams that picked ahead of us and were arguably in worse shape at the end of LAST season seem to do better than us THIS season
My take on Mangini:
I see and applaud the improvements ths Staff has made, especially showing some guts and playing to win (I won't bash Mangini for throwing it from our own 3, it was the right call) ...even though passing the ball on 2nd and 3rd down at THEIR 3yd line (out of the shotgun too boot) might have cost us the game...a game Nick Folk wanted to give us (yeah, I said it: we had no business being in it...be honest...all he needs is 1 out of 3 FGs to hit and we're not in it)
....the team IS improved...but improvement from 31st and 32nd really isn't hard and should be expected (as noted currently 26th and 24th)
...the team plays hard....so do 25+ other NFL teams. There's a lot of parity around the league....DET had NYJ beaten (they dominated them, we didn't), DET gets kicked by winless BUF....even DAL beats NYG convincingly....I don't buy the "we are so near, because we had competitive games against NO, NE and NYJ"...if so, the whole league is "near"...and you know what? It is.....never seen so much parity around he league...the perennial crap teams like us, KC, TB, STL or OAK have gotten better (btw, they all have better records than us and all picked in the top 10..like us) and the perennial contenders like IND, PIT, NE, NO, PHI etc are showing some leaks
Mangini's doing an AVG job this year all things considered (won some, lost some with his decisions) after doing a horrible job most of last season.....now everyone is mistakingly assunming the glass is so full but it's only at half after being at 1/4 last season.....and now eveyone thinks there's so much water in the glass....but me looking at the other glasses on the table (league) knows the relation...and that's all that matters: the Browns aren't playing in a vacuum, they play in the NFL....take a look around please before you get excited
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You're right, you do play up to your opponent when you're playing elite teams, but bad teams just hang in there until around the end and lose. We beat 2/4 elite teams, went toe-to-toe against one and got beat solidly by another.
That's different that just playing up to good teams. All teams play up for good opponents. Bad teams lose those games, and good teams win them. We didn't win all those games, but it would appear that we're halfway there.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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and yet, we are 2-2 and should be 3-1
Shove your stats.. they are meaningless
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The lions have outscored their opponents, and yet are 2-6... Stats.
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As eotab would say.....Stats are for playing Stratamatic!!!!
Stats dont reflect heart and determination. These are what seperates us from the other 3-6 teams.
On the other hand...i do see what Django is saying...yet its just only "part" of the equation.
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
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You're right, you do play up to your opponent when you're playing elite teams, but bad teams just hang in there until around the end and lose. We beat 2/4 elite teams, went toe-to-toe against one and got beat solidly by another.
That's different that just playing up to good teams. All teams play up for good opponents. Bad teams lose those games, and good teams win them. We didn't win all those games, but it would appear that we're halfway there.
You didn't get my point I think...there are no elite teams in this league anymore and many other 3-6 or worse teams did what we did on a sunday or 2
Even Peter King noticed...he has no #1 team currently
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/14/monday-morning-qb-week-10/index.html
"There are no super teams. The Patriots get throttled by Cleveland by 20, then throttle the Steelers by 13. The Jets go to overtime two straight weeks to survive teams with a combined record of 5-13. The Falcons, Packers, Giants, Saints and Eagles are the best in the NFC, and there are things to like about each one, but are you taking any of them to the bank? Admit it: You wouldn't be surprised to see Oakland or San Diego (combined record: 9-9) play deep into January."
Crappy looking teams like OAK, STL, DET, TB and KC did what we did and some even better...so while "improvement" is nice what does it look like compared to those teams? The facts just don't back you guys up yet...I know, it'S what you "see"...well, maybe you should watch some other games in this league....I've seen pretty good games from OAK, STL, TB and DET etc this season too....even the Bills are playing really hard..there are no more pushovers, almost the entire league "plays hard"....just because we don't look as clueless as last season doesn't make us better than even other AVG teams in the league
btw, I just use stats to back up what I see....I just think I can assess a Browns game more realistically than 99% on here. Most are again in "Believeland" with the Browns on a very small sample size that is even indicating "luck" being on our side...ever heard about variance?...I need more than 3 decent to good games to forget yet another 1-5 start
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
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KC, TB, STL or OAK have gotten better (btw, they all have better records than us and all picked in the top 10..like us)
I'd love to play in the NFC West like St. Louis, and frankly the AFC West isn't so hot either. We lost to KC and TB but in my opinion, right now we are better than either team.
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and the perennial contenders like IND, PIT, NE, NO, PHI
Yeah but they're still amongst the best in the NFL, and we beat NO and the Pats, and we know we can play with Pittsburgh.
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