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Mostly starting this thread because I want a place to gloat about my Rockets or stew about my Rockets lol (BG @ Toledo ESPN2 8pm tonight). Toledo stands at 6-4 right now right at the edge of having a nice bounce-back season or a ho-hum .500 season - the sad thing is going into these last couple games I still don't know what team is going to take the field for Toledo.
Conferences races are rounding into form, Boise will roll in their weekly no-contest, but there are some other big games around the country this week...
OSU @ Iowa
Wisconsin @ Michigan
MSU @ Purdue
Virginia Tech @ Miami
Stanford @ Cal
Nebraska @ TAMU
Pitt @ South Florida
UCONN @ Syracuse
Georgia State @ Alabama - lol, really Alabama?...
What will you be watching?
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In the games you listed, I'm gonna take....
Iowa over Ohio State
Michigan over Wisconsin
Michigan State over Purdue
Virginia Tech over Miami
Stanford over Cal
Nebraska over TAMU
Pitt over South Florida
UCONN over Syracuse
Georgia State over Alabama
Just kidding on the last one lol.
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Didn't know we were on tonight. Now if I can only figure a way to set my DVR while here at work (will be at dinner with my bro-in-law).
Outside of that, not really much to watch this weekend. Most of the Top 5 are off and BSU's won't be challenged. The Iowa/OSU game is important, if you care about the Big Ten title (which I don't).
A ho hum weekend. Plus, my parents will be in town and our 3-year old is having her B-day party on Sunday. Won't have much opportunity to watch much football at all.
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Just kidding on the last one lol.
you could have been talking about their marching bands 
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OSU @ Iowa
Wisconsin @ Michigan
MSU @ Purdue
Virginia Tech @ Miami
Stanford @ Cal
Nebraska @ TAMU
Pitt @ South Florida
UCONN @ Syracuse
Georgia State @ Alabama
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If Wisconsin does lose to Michigan, the Iowa game becomes a virtual Big Ten Title Game, depending on whether or not Michigan State loses a game (Purdue, Penn State)
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I will be watching Florida State @ Maryland. 
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I will be watching Florida State @ Maryland.
go Terps in that one.
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Ok, for mine
Ohio State over Iowa (but I'm not very comfortable with it)
Wisconsin over Michigan (Badgers making me believe in them)
Michigan State over Purdue (Boilers are terrible)
Miami over VaTech (switch this around if Harris plays for the Canes)
Stanford over Cal (Cal gets blown out. Cardinal matchup better than Ducks)
A&M over Nebraska (Aggies setting themselves up for collossal collapse next week)
Pitt over South Florida (USF isn't physical enough)
Syracuse over UConn (Huskies can't stop the Orange on the ground)
Georgia State over Alabama (would be great to see Sabans head explode)
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You think Miami can beat Va Tech with the back-up but not with Harris? 
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You think Miami can beat Va Tech with the back-up but not with Harris?
Yeah, I think Harris hurts the Canes more than he helps. He tries to force way too many throws that get picked off whereas his backup (so far) didn't try to force those throws.
Against a team like VaTech that lives (and dies) on TOs, I think that Harris is a detriment to their chances.
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OSU @ Iowa
Bucks
Wisconsin @ Michigan
SCUM
MSU @ Purdue
MSU
Virginia Tech @ Miami
Tech
Stanford @ Cal
Stanford
Nebraska @ TAMU
Aggies
Pitt @ South Florida
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UCONN @ Syracuse
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Georgia State @ Alabama
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I think you may be right I just wanted to clarify.. I don't, however, think that Harris forces throws, I just think he floats EVERYTHING. Somebody runs a fly pattern, he floats it.. somebody runs a 12 yard out, he floats it, somebody runs a crossing route with a defender on his hip, he floats it... I don't know whether he doesn't trust his arm or whether his arm is just that weak (which I can't believe) but every pass he throws just seems to take forever to get to its intended target.
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I can't believe people thought harris was a great QB early in the year. OSU exposed his flaws.
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Missed the PAT though.
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I made the comment a few weeks ago that I thought Harris was going to be great a few years ago but from what I've seen this year he is the same QB he was then, he hasn't grown or improved much at all.
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Quite the game last night - good to see the ROCKETS come out with fire from the start this week. At 7 wins, a bowl seems likely but 8 would be better. ANY bowl after the past few seasons would be a good thing.
The crowd however was abysmal. Most of the students left at the half, majority or the stands were empty - at least the way it looked on the tube - and as I understand about 2 dozen Falcon fans; all for a rivalry game - the rivalry game for the two schools. Yeah it's nice to be on TV, but these midweek games do favors for attendance.
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I can't believe people thought harris was a great QB early in the year. OSU exposed his flaws.
I made the comment a few weeks ago that I thought Harris was going to be great a few years ago but from what I've seen this year he is the same QB he was then, he hasn't grown or improved much at all.
i agree with you DC. He seemed to be alot like Pryor (freshman/sohpomore year) and as much as I wish Pryor would improve his accuracy and decision-making, watching Harris this year has shown how much Pryor really has improved.
and I was saying force the ball because Harris doesn't seem to care if there are 2 or 3 people covering the pattern he wanted to hit, he will throw it there anyway.
and congrats to the Toledo fans on the board.
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Quite the game last night - good to see the ROCKETS come out with fire from the start this week. At 7 wins, a bowl seems likely but 8 would be better. ANY bowl after the past few seasons would be a good thing.
I thought only three MAC teams usually go bowling each year. There are currently five teams in the MAC with 7+ wins:
Northern Illnois* (8-2 / 6-0)
Ohio* (8-3 / 6-1)
Temple (8-3 / 5-2)
Toledo (7-4 / 6-1)
Miami (7-4 / 6-1)
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If Temple can beat Miami and Toledo beats C.Michigan....that can put us alone as the 4th best team in the MAC. We also have a win at Purdue on our resume.
Not looking good though.
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I guess gameday is gonna be at wrigley field for the nw, illinois game, then herby is flying to Iowa to call the osu game. Espn sure likes to shuttle him around.
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You are in luck. This year there are 35 bowl games. 70 teams go bowling (out of 119). It's going to be tough to fill-up all those slots with 6-6 teams, but even better is if a bowl is picking an 'at-large' team they HAVE to pick a 7-5 team before any 6-6 teams are taken. So, if let's say Texas is 6-6 and Toledo is 7-5, well the bowl will HAVE to take Toledo over Texas (unless they have an obligation to take a bigxii team by contract) 
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I guess gameday is gonna be at wrigley field for the nw, illinois game, then herby is flying to Iowa to call the osu game. Espn sure likes to shuttle him around.
yeah i don't know if anyone has heard or seen, but the field is put in an awkward place. apparently the corner of the endzone is very close to the brick wall along the foul territory of the baseball diamond.
i know the bears played there for many years, so is that how they did it before? seems dangerous and unnnecassary
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what the heck is Auburn doing? how can they not sit Cam Newton at this point? in EVERY scandal like this, the school sits the player until it is resolved. this is ridiculous and is like they are flipping off the NCAA on the issue. "at best" the Newtons wanted to get paid and were scared off when MissSt reported it to the SEC/NCAA. even in that case, he is likely ineligible. how mad are Boise/TCU going to be when Auburn and Oregon face off for the Nat'l Championship only to have Auburn forfeit this season sometime in March/April? Quote:
Mississippi State booster Bill Bell told ESPN.com that he received a payment plan designed to get Cam Newton to sign with the Bulldogs from a man who said he represented the quarterback's father.
Bell, a former Mississippi State player, said Kenny Rogers sent him a text message outlining a payment schedule that included $80,000 on the day Newton signed, $50,000 30 days later and $50,000 30 days after that. Rogers, who has worked for an agent, is also a former Mississippi State player.
"When he asked for it, it was like 'Bam!"' Bell said in the report. "He told me this kid's dad is going to want money and the next day he sent me a text message. He didn't say anything other than 'This is what I want and I want it in three installments."'
Cam Newton, a leading Heisman Trophy candidate, eventually signed with Auburn. The second-ranked Tigers (11-0) have clinched a berth in the Southeastern Conference championship game.
Calls from The Associated Press to Bell, Cecil Newton and Rogers' attorney were not immediately returned.
Bell said in the report that the phone that contains Rogers' text message was damaged by water, but he's attempting to retrieve the text through his cell phone provider.
Bell, who lives in Florida, said he was on three-way calls with Rogers and Cam's father, Cecil, when discussions about the payment plan took place. He said Cecil Newton never directly asked for money and he has shared some voice messages with the NCAA.
"(Cecil Newton) didn't come out and say, 'I want $180,000,"' Bell said in the report. "He inferred it and talked about it, but not directly. Kenny would talk about it in front of him, and (Cecil Newton) never corrected him or said, 'No, that's not what we're doing."'
Bell said the initial contact to him was made by Rogers. But Bell said he also had several conversations with Cecil Newton during his son's recruitment.
"He said it was going to take more than just a relationship with (Mississippi State coach) Dan Mullen and that Cam's relationship with Mullen wasn't what Mullen thought it was," Bell said. "That's when he said, 'Dan Mullen is going to have to put a smile on my face if he thinks he's going to get my son."'
Bell told ESPN.com he is publicly talking about the payment plan to make clear Mississippi State did not break NCAA rules.
Rogers' attorney, Doug Zeit, told ESPN.com Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann has requested an interview with Rogers, but that hasn't occurred. He also confirmed that Rogers has met with the NCAA.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/11/17/newton.payment.ap/index.html#ixzz15efo35M0
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i'm sure some of this is true, maybe all of it. but the hard part for me to believe is that he would send this detailed outline of a payment plan to someone.
if it were me, i'd be paranoid about that being used against me. i just don't think i would operate like that, but again there are some really stupid people in this world and maybe the newton family fall into that group.
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im pretty sure there are only 2 ways to put a football field there, and either way will be on/near the warning track
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i'm sure some of this is true, maybe all of it. but the hard part for me to believe is that he would send this detailed outline of a payment plan to someone.
if it were me, i'd be paranoid about that being used against me. i just don't think i would operate like that, but again there are some really stupid people in this world and maybe the newton family fall into that group.
Cecil Newton didn't, Kenny Rogers did to the person that was supposed to make those payments.
Yes, if true, that makes Rogers incredibly stupid (how could he not demand face-to-face so that there is no record?), but Kenny has also come out and said that he was arranging payment plans for the Newton's so there seems to be plenty of validity.
Like I said, at this point, it really seems like the best case scenario is that the Newton's were scared off when MissSt became whistleblower when they reported them.
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yes, but i believe solicitation anyways would make newton ineligible, regardless of whether or not there was any money transferred. correct?
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yes, but i believe solicitation anyways would make newton ineligible, regardless of whether or not there was any money transferred. correct?
yes.
the question is whether or not solicitation from MissSt makes him ineligible at Auburn, but I don't see how it couldn't.
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Well, even if he did submit a payment plan after setting a price......he didn't get the money. And there's no proof that Auburn paid him at all. So even if it's all true, maybe they were only trying to get money out of MissSt and not Auburn (since MissSt is a lower level SEC team).
I don't know the rules....if a players dad was trying to fleece one college then got denied....would that make the player ineligble if he then signed with another school and got no money?
I would say no. Sure, it doesn't look good.....but as of now, nobody got paid and he's not playing at MissSt. Until I see some proof about Auburn paying him, I think he should continue playing.
And plus, are they really going to get through Bama and S/Carolina without losing? I think they lose one of those.
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I am fully rooting against Auburn at this point as I hate the feel to this.
but, yes, soliciation is supposed to make a player ineligible even if they do not receive the money. the only sticking point is if solicitation from MissSt makes him ineligible at Auburn, but I don't see how it couldn't.
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I guess gameday is gonna be at wrigley field for the nw, illinois game, then herby is flying to Iowa to call the osu game. Espn sure likes to shuttle him around.
yeah i don't know if anyone has heard or seen, but the field is put in an awkward place. apparently the corner of the endzone is very close to the brick wall along the foul territory of the baseball diamond.
i know the bears played there for many years, so is that how they did it before? seems dangerous and unnnecassary
The picture I saw showed the goalpost coming out of the stands and the brick wall directly behind the middle of the endzone. Didn't look too safe, but I'm sure they thought all that out before...
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Interesting.
I assume there's no way Newton can say his dad was acting on his own and he had no knowledge of anything.
Well, Auburn has to keep playing him. Until the NCAA says so, you play him.
What would Auburn stand to gain by sitting him now? He's already played in a ton of games and if found to be ineligible, all conference wins, conference title, and BCS title would have to be given back....regardless if he sits out now. So, they have to keep playing him in hope they can never prove anything.
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I don't think Newton "not knowing" gets him off the hook,...I would doubt that.
This is really ugly. Smoke,...fire,...
The supposed mysterious remodeling or the church has me baffled, if no money ever changed hands.
Tough situation. Mr. Newton needs to come clean here.
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I assume there's no way Newton can say his dad was acting on his own and he had no knowledge of anything.
Correct. Anyone acting for the player (even if Cam claims ignorance) makes him ineligible.
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Well, Auburn has to keep playing him. Until the NCAA says so, you play him.
What would Auburn stand to gain by sitting him now? He's already played in a ton of games and if found to be ineligible, all conference wins, conference title, and BCS title would have to be given back....regardless if he sits out now. So, they have to keep playing him in hope they can never prove anything.
That's not how it usually works. Georgia sat AJ Green until the NCAA figured out what it wanted to do as a recent college example. Kentucky sat Enes Kanter (and he was ruled ineligible).
Auburn has known about all this since (at least) last July (reporting structures in the SEC and NCAA confirmed that). So, Cam shouldn't have been playing this whole time. Now, with even more smoke, more people coming out, it makes it more obvious he will become ineligible at some point and the season will be forfeited (I think unless Auburn has something in their hat they haven't shown yet which is possible).
As for "what can they lose now" the answer is how hard the NCAA will hit their program. They are openly flaunting dressing and playing a player who they knowingly is being investigated quite thoroughly by the NCAA and FBI. So, the NCAA is going to hit them much, much harder than they did USC for the Reggie Bush scandal if it plays out like it seems it will at this point.
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The lastest is the phone text message (detailing the payment plan) that hasn't been recovered yet because it was dropped in the water,....  Uglier by the minute.
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The lastest is the phone text message (detailing the payment plan) that hasn't been recovered yet because it was dropped in the water,....
Uglier by the minute.
we'll see about that then because phone companies keep records of your text messages on file that can be obtained through a federal subpoena.
so, the "dropped in water" argument "won't hold water" for very long 
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I don't know the rules....if a players dad was trying to fleece one college then got denied....would that make the player ineligble if he then signed with another school and got no money?
from what i have read.. yes. it's solicitation, therefore he's an ineligible athlete regardless of where he goes or if there was a money transfer. once you cross that line there is no going back.
i think the biggest question is if they can really prove it. one man's word against another isn't gonna fly with the ncaa, even if newton seems to be guilty of at least something. i'm a big believer of the saying about smoke/fire, but i don't know if i believe all of this. seems a little too convienent for those with a case against newton.
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Well, MissSt does have an axe to grind too. They wanted Newton and didn't get him.
That doesn't prove Newton's innocence but it shows MissSt could be stirring the pot to get back at a missed recruit that went to a rival.
Unlikely, but possible.
Still....I think Bama crushes them and it all goes away.
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That doesn't prove Newton's innocence but it shows MissSt could be stirring the pot to get back at a missed recruit that went to a rival.
totally. the timing of it all is pretty hilarious.
and i find it a little odd that it's all about newton. if what is coming out is true about auburn's money being "too good" why aren't we talking about the school.
we can expect usc-like sanctions if they get caught, right?
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