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while i agree to disagree, i can see your view, and understand it.

i have always said all along that as much as i love the nba and love the cavs, cleveland would be far better off with an nhl team.

you don't need superstars to win, they sure help but it's more of a team thing like football. you need every guy on that roster just about to win the cup.

not to mention hockey players, the majority of them, don't care where they play. guys in the nba don't want to come to cleveland. i actually factor that into lbj leaving as i think he feared being able to get another star guy. i think lbj had no problem being in cleveland but he was afraid that he could not get another guy to come there. i actually said that during the season, that i thought lbj would leave if 1, he thought the cavs were going in the wrong direction, or 2 if he thought he could not get anyone else there.

the nhl works totally different, and more teams have a chance. i think cleveland would grow to love a hockey team. they have the same mentality that most clevelanders do. blue collar, hard working, shut your mouth kind of athletes.

kind of a match made in heaven if you think about it. but no way they could ever exist with the cavs around. it's one or the other.

I for some reason can't get into the Blue Jackets. Therefore I can't really get into hockey. If Cleveland had a hockey team, I'd probably put it as my second favorite sports team...

But I'd almost assume Columbus had a deal put in place where Ohio wasn't allowed another hockey team...or something...

We would've gotten another name here if LeBron had committed to the six year deal when he re-upped. Free agents didn't want to come here because LeBron wouldn't commit. There are probably less than 20 players in the league who wouldn't drop everything heed LeBron's beck and call to come team up with him.

Like I said before, I imagine that by the time Cleveland is relevant in the NBA again, they may be pursuing LeBron in free agency.

As for hockey, I would be into that. I don't know that I'd go to many games, but then again I don't go to a lot of Cavs games either. I'd watch on TV as much as my wife would allow (I think she'd probably like watching hockey even less than she likes basketball).

Also, can we just get rid of Anthony Parker now? He can't shoot and he can't play defense. He's like a taller Damon Jones. He's getting abused by the likes of Chase Buddinger at present.

Cavs should change their name to the Cleveland Slumpbusters, because every bad team that beats them gets off the schnide.

the blue jackets are actually having a decent year. 33 points, 7th in the west but actually only 3 points behind the 2nd spot (that's kinda how the nhl goes, standings are day to day, lots of flip-flopping)

it's hard to get into the nhl this early in the season. i usually watch at least half of the hawks games, attend a few, but i can't get into it until the playoffs.

once the hockey playoffs start, i'm glued. and not just the hawks, but every series. you still get your beatdowns, but if it's an even series it's just flat out amazing to watch. great tv. and there is absolutely no crowd like an nhl playoff crowd.

and it's just awesome to see the sacrifice those guys give in the playoffs. playing every other night, playing hurt, blocking shots, double shifting, playing multiple overtime games. nobody else in sports matches what those guys do in the playoffs. not the nfl, not baseball, not the nba, nobody.

I've tried to get into hockey and watch it, but I just can't

7 losses in a row now ... we may have to have a surgical removal of all the tails stuck between everyone's legs.

I honestly would not be upset if Gilbert sold the team to Seattle.

I'm going to have great pleasure in seeing Boston destroy lebitch and the other stooges in the playoffs.

Jamison sucks so bad, I can't wait to trade his lifeless corpse next year.

About to be 10L in a row for the cavs. Gilbert has a mess on his hands. No way do the cavs win a championship before Lebron.

Typical cleveland sports.

Just comes up short in the end.

The way I see it, they used this game tonight to figure out how to get out of a rut. They didn't win, but by all accounts they should've gotten blown out by 30 tonight with the way these two teams have been playing the last two weeks. What's most important now is if they see this as a sign that they can compete, or if they see it as giving their all but their all just isn't enough. I hope its the former, but only time will tell.

The cavs are done. Lebron and Gilbert murdered professional basketball in Cleveland. They won't have a winning record for three seasons. I hope there is no basketball next year.

I would like someone like Terrance Jones, Perry Jones, Sullinger, or some one that can be a difference maker at the forward position.

If the team does get blown up i want Irving or Walker

J/C

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/16/1915954/with-the-season-sinking-charlotte.html


Bobcats considering blowing up their team, which is what we should be doing. But, they are strangely considering getting rid of some of their key and younger pieces to do it.

Guys on the Bobcats roster I would see what it would take to acquire:

Gerald Wallace (I have always been a fan of G-Force)

Boris Diaw (no, not a good contract, but if they would trade him for Jamison I would do it in a heartbeat)

Shaun Livingston (never will match the hype, but he could be decent under Scott and he has a team-friendly contract. also, he would finally be a 'big' PG)

Gerald Henderson (doubt the Bobcats trade a recent draft pick, but he has shown flashes of promise and Larry Brown has gotten impatient with youngsters before)

Stay away from:

Ty Thomas (I was a fan of his potential, but his contract is now as if he has already arrived. No thanks)

S-Jax (G-Force $$$ for a player of lesser talent who has had some issues in the past to say the least. No way)

Not sure I'd want anyone on that roster. G-Force is 28 is probably the best of the lot, and he's 28 ... that means he'd be on the wrong side of 30 by the time we were in position to start competing again.

Kind of a long shot, but any season ticket holders here want to part with their tickets on Feb. 25th for the Knicks game for a decent price?

PM me if you do

J/C

Going to be at the game tonight. I hope it's entertaining.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5932861


Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, and a 2011 first-round pick to Phoenix in exchange for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark.


I really don't understand the trades the magic made. It seems like a panic move.

PG: Arenas / Jameer
SG: J rich
SF: Hedo
PF: Bass
C: Howard

I understand getting rid of Rashard Lewis contract.

You picked a good one, it seems!

Yeah, it was a fun game. We were terribly sloppy the first half but Andy played outstanding defense on Amare the whole first half. The team came out guns blazing and locked up on any turnovers into the middle of the 3rd.

I think we're still just 1 superstar away from being really good again.

the slippery slope that the media started with LeBron back in 2007 and he enforced with his move to Miami, has really gained steam lately.

Melo is pretty openly lobbying to be traded this season and has dominated headlines

Chris Paul rumors died down when NO started off hot and the NBA bought the team, but they will return

Deron Williams found his name in a bunch of rumors early on

Now, Dwight Howard to the Lakers?
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...sted-in-lakers/


One of the few things the NBA has been able to maintain interest across cities like Utah, Portland, Seattle, Cleveland, etc. was that the stars stayed put. It was very rare that a top10 player switched teams. And rarer that it was done through FA (Shaq to Lakers was pretty much it). The system was stacked for the home team because a couple elite players can affect an entire organization and even entire league.

Now, players are openly courting other teams while playing for possible title contenders currently? this is going to kill fanbases if the NBA is not careful and the NBA will become as ridiculed (or possibly moreso?) than MLB for it's structure. This next CBA better get ugly because if the players continue to wield this type of power it could kill the popularity of the league.

I agree. If players start demanding that they're traded to the high profile teams in the biggest markets or hottest cities then the NBA is done. Might as well just send them to the playgrounds so they can choose captains and pick sides at that point.

I wouldn't even call what Melo has done as tame as lobbying. He's flat out stated that he refuses to sign any new contract with his team unless he's traded to the Knicks. If I'm the GM, at that point I trade him instantly to a team looking for a 6-month rental and get whatever I can for him. These teams can't just bend to the wills of these egomaniacs or the inmates will be running the asylum (much like one did here in Cleveland for the last few years). These guys are no longer loyal to their teams and their fanbases, but only to themselves and their cliques.

the nba is gonna become a league where if you aren't in a mega market or warm weather, you got no shot. detroit, cleveland, milwaukee, and minnesota could be in trouble. maybe even okc someday. (although i see them turning into portland because of the fact that it's all they have in terms of pro sports)

these guys don't wanna play in cities like i mentioned because of the weather and lack of night life when stacked up against big cities, or cities with warm weather.

it blows, but it's true. lebron taking his talents opened the door. he was the first and took the brunt of negativity, it will be easier for other guys to go to super teams now.

To add to that, LeBron has also caused these guys to rethink their priorities... the one thing that kept the system working was guys egos in wanting the biggest paycheck...and the home team was the chance at the biggest paycheck... well guess what, they have since figured out that $18 million a year and playing in a hot city with some other all-stars and playing for championships every year is better than making $24 million a year and playing in Toronto or Cleveland and hoping to make the playoffs every year...

So yea, I don't know how, but unless they figure out how to fix it, the NBA is going to turn into a league with half a dozen potential contenders and 24 developmental teams that draft great players and enjoy watching them for 3 years (because that is the length of contract they will sign)... hell you'll have the lottery picks sitting at a table at the draft trying to figure out where they all want to join up and play together in a few years......

a guy like lebron saw that his brand would take a hit and what he made in cleveland would not cover what he could have lost had he become a guy who couldnt win the big one.

going to the heat will keep the brand going, because eventually they will be good enough for a title (not this year though)

I could be mistaken ... or maybe I'm not paying as much attention ..... but i sure don't see James' face plastered all over TV ... with commercials for everyone and anyone under the sun like in years past.

There was the Nike commercial ..... but that's about it.

He probably lost half of his advertising income for this year anyway. (purely observational conclusion)

just wait. they'll forgive him, he'll be on those commercials again.

kobe was accused of rape and come back, i am pretty sure lbj will be fine.

yes, those in cleveland won't ever love him again, but from a national perspective he's fine.

i think most of us cleveland fans are over it (i know i am) but i hate that the national perspective thinks we aren't. they keep jamming these stories and pieces down our throats and expect us not to have a response or feel some kind of emotion and then play the "bitter fan" card on us. it's inredibly lame but very predictable of bspn.

i think majority of the hardcore cleveland sportsfan who follows it day to day are over it. there are some that are still incredibly immature and aren't over it, but i really think most us just wanted that one night a few weeks ago to let him, as well as the nation know that we're passionate. that's all that was. i believe lebron found out that night he won't get that passion in a horrible sports town like miami. does he care? probably not. but at least he knows.

Yeah .... but if it takes a year or 2 will he ever recoup what he will have lost?

How much more would he make by winning a championship? He was already making more than anyone else on the planet.

I predcit CP3 and Dwight will be knicks in 2012.

Hopefully a nuke hits ESPN headquarters

I'll see your 2012 and raise you a 2011. CP3 has already made it clear that he wants out. The Magic certainly aren't going to win it all this year with the team they have, and I can see them dealing Dwight when it becomes apparent that he's not going to remain in Orlando.

Problem with guys like Dwight and Chris Paul and Chris Bosh, and, to some extent, LeBron, is that they're way less interested in becoming great than they are in having fun in the sun and playing with their best buddies. They've got superstar appeal and make millions in endorsements. They think that a ring is a byproduct of being a superstar, not working harder than everyone else.

The cavs are lucky that they suck

My dream scenario would be to tank and get perry jones. Tank the following year and try to get Michael Gilchrist. That is a possibility, we have jamisons 14 mil expiring that we could trade for a draft pick and also miamis 1st rounder.

We don't get to use the first-rounders from trading LeBron until 2013. In 2012 we can swap first round picks with Miami, which would probably not be in our best interests.

Dwight Howard should go to Oklahoma City

D12 with Westbrook and Durant would be insane. That's not even including Serge Ibaka getting better and better, and James Harden stroking the 3.

That would be a fun team to watch that would crush the heat.