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Anyone else expecting this? He was never a "hot seat" candidate, but things are turning sour very fast. I have friends that live in Tennessee and people are angry awith pretty much everyone involved, but particularly Fisher. His clash over Vince Young is very well known and for the most part Bud Adams has been right. And the Titans are kind of stagnant right now and haven't really been all that great for a while minus 2008. So does he stay?
Fish has an opt out clause in his contract to get out of his final year. With the way the season is going and now the VY drama again I think he is done, it just depends if he is fired or he decides to walk. I will say this though, he won't be on the streets for long. In my opinion Dallas would go after him hard.
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Fisher. If the Titans do what Fisher wants and get rid of Vince Young he stays. If the Titans do what Bud Adams wants and keep Vince Young he goes. Quote:
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About Vince Young? From everything I've read he's a "last one in, first to leave" type of guy.
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if VY has the epiphany that Vick apparently had in prison, he could be one of the better QBs in the league. Not sure how much of Fisher's fault it is that he's still an emotional wreck who apparently doesn't work hard.
Fisher's one of my favorite (if not favorite) NFL HC's. I trust what Mangini is doing but would not mind one bit if we dropped him in a heartbeat for Fisher. Fisher is better than Cowher or Gruden IMO.
If Bud Adam's picks VY over Fisher, then he is a fool. I don't think Bud Adams is a fool.
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completely agreed. i am a mangini fan, but if Fisher became available, i would want holmgren to pull the trigger
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completely agreed. i am a mangini fan, but if Fisher became available, i would want holmgren to pull the trigger
No chance in hell for me.
I like Fischer as a coach, but I absolutely do not like the idea of running to the "grass is greener side". What Mangini is doing is showing promise, it just needs more talent.
Getting Fischer wouldn't do anything except to hit 'Restart' - yet again - on everything we've done the past two years only to eventually get us to where we are at right now... a capable coach with not enough talent.
Browns is the Browns
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completely agreed. i am a mangini fan, but if Fisher became available, i would want holmgren to pull the trigger
No chance in hell for me.
I like Fischer as a coach, but I absolutely do not like the idea of running to the "grass is greener side". What Mangini is doing is showing promise, it just needs more talent.
Getting Fischer wouldn't do anything except to hit 'Restart' - yet again - on everything we've done the past two years only to eventually get us to where we are at right now... a capable coach with not enough talent.
quite possible.
on offense, the schemes we run seem more similar to the Titans, so we shouldn't need to reboot on that side of the ball (other than get more talent at WR). even the OL run-blocking schemes are similar (both straight ahead blocking without much zone and a lot of pulling OGs).
on defense, Fisher likes the 4-3 and has lived by it for a long, long time. he'd likely want to keep that since he is a defensive coach by trade. that would set us back a minimum of 2 years (unless he was willing to keep Rob Ryan on as DC and keep the 3-4 but that would be doubtful).
Yeah, I was probably too hasty in my first response.
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Every chef has his own way of running a kitchen. Every chef wants his own ingredients. Every manager wants to instill his own culture.
It WOULD be a reboot. ANY change at that level is a reboot.... and absolutely NONE of them will ever matter until we get more talent.
Browns is the Browns
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No chance in hell for me.
I like Fischer as a coach, but I absolutely do not like the idea of running to the "grass is greener side". What Mangini is doing is showing promise, it just needs more talent.
Getting Fischer wouldn't do anything except to hit 'Restart' - yet again - on everything we've done the past two years only to eventually get us to where we are at right now... a capable coach with not enough talent.
quite possible.
on offense, the schemes we run seem more similar to the Titans, so we shouldn't need to reboot on that side of the ball (other than get more talent at WR). even the OL run-blocking schemes are similar (both straight ahead blocking without much zone and a lot of pulling OGs).
on defense, Fisher likes the 4-3 and has lived by it for a long, long time. he'd likely want to keep that since he is a defensive coach by trade. that would set us back a minimum of 2 years (unless he was willing to keep Rob Ryan on as DC and keep the 3-4 but that would be doubtful).
Yeah, I was probably too hasty in my first response.
Rob has coached the 4-3 in Oakland before. I believe.
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I still firmly believe that "if" and its a big "if" Mangini for some reason doesn't survive this year, I think Mike Holmgren takes over himself at Head Coach.
Look it would vbe very easy to restructure Holmgren can put all the non-football and even ownwership meetings and marketing duties over to Brad Weidermier (sp) and hire one other guy pretty easy.
We really "don't know" what the wording in Holmgren's contract is, I do not however think Holmgren would have signed on here to just be President only unless he had an out clause to leave and go coach or he has an in clause to take over coaching.
Look we can make Brad Weidmerir whatever his name is President and let him handle all the marketing non-football related junk, even go to ownership meetings if need be.
Holmgren becomes executive vice president of football operations and Head Coach just like Andy Reid has done in Philly.
If Mangini don't survive, the only small possible candidate is Gruden(due to history with Holmgren) but Gruden is only in the equation if Holmgren don't want to take over himself.
If this season goes in the Tank, Holmgren will feel compelled to go to the sidelines and put on the headset...its all the man knows and he will not sit around powerless and allow Mangini to ruin his legacy by losing...neither would Bill Parcells.
I really hope Mangini turns things around because to be honest at this point i don't care who is coach as long as we win...
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he has, but my point was that if we switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3 it is a complete reboot on defense that will take a minimum of 2 years to gain traction on.
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Look it would vbe very easy to restructure Holmgren can put all the non-football and even ownwership meetings and marketing duties over to Brad Weidermier (sp) and hire one other guy pretty easy.
We really "don't know" what the wording in Holmgren's contract is, I do not however think Holmgren would have signed on here to just be President only unless he had an out clause to leave and go coach or he has an in clause to take over coaching.
Look we can make Brad Weidmerir whatever his name is President and let him handle all the marketing non-football related junk, even go to ownership meetings if need be.
Holmgren becomes executive vice president of football operations and Head Coach just like Andy Reid has done in Philly.
If Mangini don't survive, the only small possible candidate is Gruden(due to history with Holmgren) but Gruden is only in the equation if Holmgren don't want to take over himself.
If this season goes in the Tank, Holmgren will feel compelled to go to the sidelines and put on the headset...its all the man knows and he will not sit around powerless and allow Mangini to ruin his legacy by losing...neither would Bill Parcells.
I really hope Mangini turns things around because to be honest at this point i don't care who is coach as long as we win...
And I'd start a witch hunt to get em all ran outta here.
Holgmren was hired to be a "serious, credible leader and football mind". If he cannot see the progress happening here and instead ousts Mangini to insert himself, he will have lost the "credible" portion and he'd have peed all over the "leader" part.
Gruden is a walking disaster that just lives to hear himself talk. He wouldn't know a QB if one hit him the face with a ball.
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j/c In peter king's MMQB, on why it might be difficult to make coaching changes this season Quote:
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It's going to be a very odd year for coaching changes.
You're an owner, and you want to make a coaching change for 2011. Here's what you're thinking about as this disappointing (presumably) season winds down:
1. There's a very good chance the new coach won't have access to the players beginning in March, when a potential lockout would happen. He may not have access to the players until a new labor deal is signed, which seems more and more like it won't happen until at least the summer. And that's being optimistic.
2. The new coach won't be able to work with his new staff very much either, because most teams will put assistant coaches on varying part-time contracts. The new coaches won't be in the building much, if at all, during a work stoppage.
3. The big-name coaches -- Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden -- will be in play. But will you want to lock them in at a big number for 2011 if you're not sure when or if you'll be playing football?
"What all that means,'' one head coach not on the hot seat told me Friday, "is an advantage for the in-house candidate unlike there's ever been. Financially and functionally, the top coordinator makes sense more than it ever has.''
In Minnesota, after Monday's firing of Brad Childress, Leslie Frazier will have a six-week audition as interim coach to prove he's the man long-term as well. In Cincinnati, if Marvin Lewis leaves, firebrand Mike Zimmer could ascend to the job, with offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski staying in place. In Dallas, Jason Garrett, who has righted the ship in just two weeks, might make the point moot anyway because owner Jerry Jones already seems to be thinking of giving him a shot to win the job in 2011*. In Carolina, there's not an obvious guy in-house, though owner Jerry Richardson wants to keep the coaching payroll down, so he could think of promoting from within.
*Jones inquired about whether he could make Garrett the permanent coach without opening up the job for interviews after the season. The NFL has a policy, known as the Rooney Rule, that requires each team with a coaching opening to interview at least one minority candidate. And Jones has been told that, whether he intends to hire Garrett or not, he'll have to abide by the Rooney Rule once the season ends.
"I can't imagine what the landscape would be like,'' the current head coach said, "if a new coach walks into his first team meeting on August 11th and says to his team, 'OK, guys, we're switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3, so here's the new defense. And we're going to run the West Coast offense now. We play a game that counts in three weeks. Let's get to work.' I mean, it's impossible. That's why the in-house candidate will be more attractive than ever. When I talk to other coaches, we all see which way it's going. And I'd be surprised if there were a lot of changes that went to guys who planned to come in and change everything.''
I'm hearing more and more that Gruden could live with another year at ESPN -- he has one hard-and-fast year left on his contract there -- but would love to be in play for the right job. I think Cowher would go only to a place where the circumstances were right, and that job might not exist this year. The third-most desirable guy (unless John Fox's star is not totally tarnished by this awful season in Carolina) might be Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, who I think would love an NFL job someday. This just might not be the day. Even if potential franchise quarterback Andrew Luck leaves Stanford early, the weirdness of the 2011 landscape may make college a lot more desirable in 2011 for Harbaugh.
So add that little wrinkle to what promises to be a year unlike any other in recent NFL history in 2011.
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Shefter just reported Vince Young to IR. I guess this answers the Fisher question.
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And I'd start a witch hunt to get em all ran outta here.
Holgmren was hired to be a "serious, credible leader and football mind". If he cannot see the progress happening here and instead ousts Mangini to insert himself, he will have lost the "credible" portion and he'd have peed all over the "leader" part.
Gruden is a walking disaster that just lives to hear himself talk. He wouldn't know a QB if one hit him the face with a ball.
fair enough Prp
however what if Eric doesn't win another game this year? wonder if we get "blown out" in a few games down the stretch....what if Pitt murder us like 40+ to ziltch like on x-mas a few years ago
are you still in the Mangini needs to stay camp then?
Look I am at the point where I am "not" going to openly call for Eric's head...if Holmgren decides to keep Eric im on board. I trust mike
If Mike decides to take over himself or hire someone else, im on board there too...I trust Mike...he has the track record to prove he can be trusted.
I really don't think Mike holmgren will take over himself or hire someone else unless Eric Tanks the season....if this team looks god awful down the streatch and we only win 1 more game from here on out, I really don't think mike is going to have much of a choice here.
you must remember, those fans that buy all the suites, and the season ticket holders, the big bucks people are goin to be upset...Holmgren may not have a choice and who knows.
I don't know whats going to happen, but I would think Mangini SHOULD be safe as long as he don't tank the year...if he goes 3-13 or 4-12....Im not sure how that can be justified in keeping him around...that is coming from someone who wants to see Eric Mangini stay
I really don't want to see Mangini get canned, but if he tanks the season, we go 3-14, 4-12, and we get blowed out once or twice...I don't think Holmgren will have much of a choice....
So we all need to hope Eric can win a few more games the rest of the way out....so we can go into next year with a 3rd year in the same system..thats what im hoping for.
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So we all need to hope Eric can win a few more games the rest of the way out....so we can go into next year with a 3rd year in the same system..thats what im hoping for.
and, quite frankly, we should win a few more games. we have Carolina, Buffalo, Cincinatti, and Miami (on their 3rd string QB as well) down the stretch.
if we can't win at the very least 2 of those games, then the first half of this season will seem like a mirage of us being competitive.
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Anyone else expecting this? He was never a "hot seat" candidate, but things are turning sour very fast. I have friends that live in Tennessee and people are angry awith pretty much everyone involved, but particularly Fisher. His clash over Vince Young is very well known and for the most part Bud Adams has been right. And the Titans are kind of stagnant right now and haven't really been all that great for a while minus 2008. So does he stay?
Fish has an opt out clause in his contract to get out of his final year. With the way the season is going and now the VY drama again I think he is done, it just depends if he is fired or he decides to walk. I will say this though, he won't be on the streets for long. In my opinion Dallas would go after him hard.
I live in Tennessee and I don't hear much talk about Fisher needing to go.
From my perspective Fisher might be the best coach in the league and it would be hard for anybody to keep him out of the top 5 in the league.
If he leaves, he will be able to do what Cower has done....write is own ticket and sit back and wait for the offers to come in....and they will be numerous.
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Good statement, but it was no mirage. We got overlooked by the Saints and Pats, and managed to play well, but that's all we have to hang our hats on. We played competitively in every other game, but lost making the same kinds of mistakes. I think Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Atlanta outplayed us and those are "real" losses. We should be no worse than 7-3. Would Jeff Fischer have done, or will he do, a better job here than Mangini has already with the talent that's on board ? I really like Jeff Fischer, but I would like to see Eric Mangini have his shot at finishing this. Fischer had his chance to continue his good thing at Tennessee and has now shown he's either lost it, or is on a short downturn. Let's not start all over, again,... 
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I hope he gets fired so we can hire him. He is one of the best coaches ever.
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completely agreed. i am a mangini fan, but if Fisher became available, i would want holmgren to pull the trigger
No chance in hell for me.
I like Fischer as a coach, but I absolutely do not like the idea of running to the "grass is greener side". What Mangini is doing is showing promise, it just needs more talent.
Getting Fischer wouldn't do anything except to hit 'Restart' - yet again - on everything we've done the past two years only to eventually get us to where we are at right now... a capable coach with not enough talent.
yeah you are correct. i agree with no logo that i, too, as well, was hasty in my response. thanks for bringing me back to my senses!
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I REALLY wanted to say that I stopped reading after your first "What if" because "what ifs" are completely pointless... however, I'll play along with one sentence:
IF the things you are panicked over come to pass, it would depend on HOW they come to pass. For me to even remotely be on board with his firing, there would have to be absolutely CLEAR AS DAY on-field evidence that this team is quitting on him. I do NOT see that happening at all. He has this team's support, and they've got his back. They fight for him.
He lacks talent in the starting ranks, and we're now seeing the effects of lacking significant depth.... but these guys are still playing hard, playing disciplined, and playing the way their coach wants them to play. Losing a lot more would NOT be too much of a surprise. Neither would getting blown out by Balt & Pitt... many of our horses weren't all that great the last time we played, and we're now missing many of the ones we had back then. Lack of talent plus lots of injuries equals a poor record.... but the team IS well coached and well disciplined and playing quality football (as much as their talents will allow).
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Fixed it for you.
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I don't see him going anywhere. I also don't see Frazier or Garrett going anywhere.
Without a labor deal in place, unless a coach so completely blows up on his team, he is probably safe.
The Cowboys quit on Phillips.
The Vikings quit on Childress.
The Bengals are quitting under Lewis. Last year of his deal ..... he's almost certainly gone. Besides, he'd be expensive to re-sign.
Kubiak in Houston might be in slight jeopardy ..... but I think he gets another year with heavy concentration on defense.
McDaniels could be in trouble in Denver.
Fox won't be back in Carolina. They'll get a big name offensive mind to coach Luck.
I do see Singletary as out in San Francisco.
I think that 4 teams will wind uo with new Head Coaches. Bengals and Carolina are all but guaranteed. Denver and San Fran are better than even odds.
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Why would Lewis be expensive ? He's had some moments, but compared to what others can do/have shown, I don't think he's worth a plug nickel.
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he meant expensive for Mike Brown (entirely different scale). He would have to pay Marvin 'something' and that is more expensive than just keeping the rest of the coaching staff at the same salary and promoting Zimmer to HC 
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I am stubborn, so I still think Fox is a decent to good NFL HC.
That being said, I think Carolina does replace him and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the #1 pick if they pick Harbaugh to continue his mentoring of Luck.
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I am stubborn, so I still think Fox is a decent to good NFL HC.
That being said, I think Carolina does replace him and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the #1 pick if they pick Harbaugh to continue his mentoring of Luck.
And then Harbaugh says, "Good luck, Luck. No way I'm going to Carolina." 
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Whoaaa! You made me laugh there. Good luck with the shakeup. I think they have some MAJOR issues. Certainly not all the coach there. 
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I am stubborn, so I still think Fox is a decent to good NFL HC.
That being said, I think Carolina does replace him and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the #1 pick if they pick Harbaugh to continue his mentoring of Luck.
That is a great angle,...but it does not usurp the Michigan job.
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There's more of a chance that happens, than him coming to the Browns.
I like Fisher. But I would not like blowing up this coaching staff just to get him. This team & coach's are coming together pretty well right now, and things are looking up. I'd hate to break that up.
At some point, we have to stop changing coach's every 2 years.
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Not to be overly argumentative but.......I read this all the time and I sometimes have to wonder if the person posting it knows our record.
Don't get me wrong, I think the team is much more fun to watch than last year. But that is like saying I'd rather poke myself in the eye as opposed to dropping a cement block on my foot. It's only a matter of degrees.
We're 3-7....it's not like we're just shy of making the playoffs. We're probably 4-5 players away and probably 1-2 coaches away (not HC's so don't go crazy).
Anyway, Jeff Fisher isn't leaving Tenn so it's a moot point.
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We need players MUCH more than we need a coaching change right now.
We can't keep hitting "redo" on this team. It's the entire reason why we perennially suck. Mangini knows football, has done very well in transition from the czar to a solder and has the team playing hard.
Add a stud to each line, a reciever and a LB and we would have been in the playoffs this year. Adding 4 players in 1 year is not out of the question. Rebuilding an entire team takes years.
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Fox won't be back in Carolina. They'll get a big name offensive mind to coach Luck.
I am stubborn, so I still think Fox is a decent to good NFL HC.
That being said, I think Carolina does replace him and I wouldn't be surprised if they have the #1 pick if they pick Harbaugh to continue his mentoring of Luck.
That is a great angle,...but it does not usurp the Michigan job.
1. Most think RichRod has done enough to get one more year there.
2. I would laugh heartily if Michigan did this. I have been poking fun all season at Michigan fans I know because Stanford is playing Bo/Carr's system with success. It would be another 3-year reboot if they wanted to flip back away from RichRod's system to Harbaugh's 
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I agree,...Michigan is kinda in the same boat we are with Eric Mangini. But Rod has got to get some defenders, and maybe he's working on that. If the Wolverines play tough on Saturday -- and I believe they will -- he's safe. And that keeps Harbaugh out of Ann Arbor. I do not think we can afford to go cliff diving with Fischer.
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This team & coach's are coming together pretty well right now, and things are looking up. I'd hate to break that up.
Not to be overly argumentative but.......I read this all the time and I sometimes have to wonder if the person posting it knows our record.
Don't get me wrong, I think the team is much more fun to watch than last year. But that is like saying I'd rather poke myself in the eye as opposed to dropping a cement block on my foot. It's only a matter of degrees.
We're 3-7....it's not like we're just shy of making the playoffs. We're probably 4-5 players away and probably 1-2 coaches away (not HC's so don't go crazy).
Anyway, Jeff Fisher isn't leaving Tenn so it's a moot point.
But if he did, we'd be crazy not to at least talk to him.
I'm fully aware of our current record. But, it goes beyond just wins and losses. Don't you see that too? We could have a much better record had we just closed out some of the games. The mere fact that we have been in a position to win almost all our games has to say something to you other W/L's. We've played a pretty tough schedule so far. We have some very winnable games coming up. Which we should be able to win at least 3 out of the next 4.
I know it's scary, and hard to see sometimes, because we are Browns fans, and we haven't seen this in a long time. But, we are not that far off from challenging for a playoff spot. Not this year of course. But, next year is a different story.
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