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BEREA, Ohio -- In their weekly batch of Browns roster moves, the club promoted receiver Jordan Norwood to the regular roster and waived return specialist Clifton Smith.
Also, Tampa Bay signed safety Larry Asante -- a fifth-round draft pick from Nebraska by the Browns last spring -- off Cleveland's practice squad. Asante was placed on the Browns' practice squad at the end of the preseason schedule and has not played in a game.
Norwood originally was signed by the Browns as an undrafted free agent in 2009. He was waived on September 5, 2009, and spent 13 weeks on Philadelphia’s practice squad last year.
Norwood was re-signed by the Browns in September and has been on the practice squad for 11 weeks.
The Browns also released offensive lineman John Malecki from the practice squad and signed offensive lineman Phil Trautwein and wide receiver Rod Windsor to the practice squad.
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I had some high hopes for Assante,, I'm kinda bummed to lose him..
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same, but given our injuries in the secondary I would have hoped he would been promoted by now...
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I liked Norwood coming out in the draft...I think he is the perfect little slot machine. Stuckey has proved he can handle that role, but maybe the coaches saw something in Norwood. It stills blows my mind that carlton mitchell hasnt done anything....is he really that bad or are our qb's the problem?
Either way I think Norwood getting a chance is a good thing, hope he pans out
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I liked Norwood coming out in the draft...I think he is the perfect little slot machine. Stuckey has proved he can handle that role, but maybe the coaches saw something in Norwood. It stills blows my mind that carlton mitchell hasnt done anything....is he really that bad or are our qb's the problem?
Either way I think Norwood getting a chance is a good thing, hope he pans out
Mitchell is raw as the fish from your local sushi shack. That's why he went so late in the draft. It'll most likely be at least another year of practice and coaching to try to make him useful.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I remember the reports on him said he was a diamond in the rough type player......looks like we are going to really need to work on him to make that statement true haha
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
I'm sure if he makes one tackle we'll hear about how he's an all pro.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Asante or Ventrone....Asante or Ventrone...Asante or Ventrone
Can't get that out of my head right now.
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Asante or Ventrone....Asante or Ventrone...Asante or Ventrone
Can't get that out of my head right now.
My thoughts too....was Ventrone better than Asante? or was he just a Mangini boy?
either way good luck to Asante....
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The way I saw it, Asante was just a more extreme version of Ward. The guy had 0 coverage ability, but could lay the wood. Ward's coverage abilities have been questioned and argued a bunch, but Asante's were worse.
We need to go in the other direction. Get a safety with some serious cover skills to complement Ward.
I dunno...
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The way I saw it, Asante was just a more extreme version of Ward. The guy had 0 coverage ability, but could lay the wood. Ward's coverage abilities have been questioned and argued a bunch, but Asante's were worse.
We need to go in the other direction. Get a safety with some serious cover skills to complement Ward.
I dunno...
Good call. And if we're bringing in Eric King off the street to the active roster and Asante is still on the PS, well, it don't say too much about Asante.
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
And the last Browns 5th round pick to have success with the Browns was?
All I know is they haven't seemed to do ANYTIHNG with 5th round picks anytime in my memory and they get alot more "on the roster" time with 6th and 7th rounders and even udfa's .
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
I'm sure will have a chance after the season to pick him up off waivers if we really want him back...Me I wanna upgrade
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Glad to see we are looking at Phil Trautwein again.
I think he can be a pretty darn good RT.
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I think that Norwood very well might be this year's Evan Moore.
Norwood was on our practice squad last year. We brought him back this year. Now he's finally been promoted to the active roster. I look for himm to see the field in some packages, and I think that he'll make some plays for us.
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
We lost 2 or 3 guys from our secondary to injury and he wasn't even activated.
We brought in guys off the street ahead of him.
That tells me that he might fit somewhere ..... but it probably won't be here.
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I too have seen it said that Asante has zero coverage ability but can lay the wood....I can beleive that.
I have seen Ventrone unable to cover anyone and miss tackle after tackle...I know that.
I am not saying that this is a "Mangini man-crush" situation. HOWEVER, this looks like a Veikune-type move without the cloud of a wasted 2nd round pick.
I am certainly not losing any sleep over the deal...it just feels like we have kept one guy who has proven he cannot play defense - or make a tackle - over a guy who 'looks in practice' like he can't cover a receiver but is a hitter.
A 5th year ST guy from Villanova who played for NE vs. a rookie from Nebraska who was drafted by Heckert. I'd like to have seen if maybe Asante's ceiling was as a Ventrone-clone who could lay the wood.
I don't like it...but as I said, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either.
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
It means we'll be looking for another SS in the draft..
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
I am sure some will be by to tell us how many teams strike gold with their 5th round pick
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He has some great hands... Thats the best thing about him... I personally think he can be better than Stuckey..
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
I am sure some will be by to tell us how many teams strike gold with their 5th round pick
Not to nipick...because I agree with your point. However, the league is littered with 5th round picks who play special teams.
If the draft position really mattered...I believe Ventrone was an undrafted FA.
I see your point and you are likely correct.
My frustration is that we didn't "strike gold" moreso than we kept one guy over another...especially when the difference between the two guys I keep mentioning seems minimal...with an edge towards the departed being younger and having played a lot for a big football college.
I wish we took Kurt Coleman over Asante/Geathers...but...it is what it is.
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just clicking....
For everyone wanting to toss out the "Ventrone is Mangini's boy and Asante is a Heckert pick" as if it is some kind of sane justification for something..... You do realize that Heckert is the one that makes these roster moves, right??
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For everyone wanting to toss out the "Ventrone is Mangini's boy and Asante is a Heckert pick" as if it is some kind of sane justification for something..... You do realize that Heckert is the one that makes these roster moves, right??
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Not upset over losing Asante at all.
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For everyone wanting to toss out the "Ventrone is Mangini's boy and Asante is a Heckert pick" as if it is some kind of sane justification for something..... You do realize that Heckert is the one that makes these roster moves, right??
j/c 
Well to be fair...Ventrone IS Mangini's "boy" and Asante IS Heckert's pick. 
Heckert did not let Asante go...he simply went.
FWIW, Heckert also "allowed" Veikune to break camp and cut Yates in the process. 
Heckert surely works with Mangini on the existing roster...however, if Mangini liked Asante better than Ventrone...I think Asante would still be here. (I am NOT saying that Asante is better than Ventrone...I just WISH he were better than Ventrone.) My guess is Heckert is constantly looking to upgrade the roster and consults with Holmgren and Mangini before making a move.
The point I am trying to make is that I doubt Heckert is the one who "chose" Ventrone over Asante...that's Mangini's job...and Heckert's move if a move is warranted.
All that said...I have probably and inadvertantly made a mountain out of a molehill. This is a bottom of the roster move/exit...nothing to see here people.
I don't really care that one is gone and one is still here...I am simply disappointed that the Heckert 5th rd magic did not beat out a 5th year, undrafted FA, journeyman STer...you cannot win them all...but you can cheer like mad anyway.
Also, there was a lot of love for Asante during OTA's & camp...then poof...nothing. That's not Ventrone's fault...or Mangini's...or Heckert's...and in the end, it's no biggie...it's just disappointing.
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For everyone wanting to toss out the "Ventrone is Mangini's boy and Asante is a Heckert pick" as if it is some kind of sane justification for something..... You do realize that Heckert is the one that makes these roster moves, right??
I gotta tell ya Purp...that "just clicking" you put up after clicking on me and then posting "For everyone wanting to toss out the "Ventrone is Mangini's boy and Asante is a Heckert pick as if it is some kind of sane justification for something" made me laugh so hard my eyes watered.
I see where I am the only one trying to make some sane - yet insane - rationalization.
I know you were calling me out...man that was funny for some goofy reason this morning. 
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Finally Norwood....he's better than Mitchell and Robo and while he's no starting option he can be as "productive" as Massa and Stuckey and I think even beter if given time....he was the best Penn St WR out of that draft...the other 2 got drafted in the 3rd round last draft...D.Williams is doing nothing in DET and Butler has 27 catches and 3 TDs for SEA....just give Norwood a chance
and before someone comes along with the old "GMs know better" argument: who's the better WR in the NFL? Robo or Hartline?
Sorry to see Asante go too...never thought he'd be this bad, otoh it's really hard to imagine being worse than Ventrone...everytime I see him in on D he either allows a TD with no coverage whatsoever or whiffs on an open field tackle....
That's one of topics and problems under-discussed around here: wtf is this guy playing meaningful downs? He lacks spped, coverage ability and is an overaggressive open field tackler (whiffs too much)...he has not even the brains to play, so he isn't even your classic overachiever...guy's just a ST oxx, playing this guy on D is proof of incompetence of whoever gives this poor guy playing time...I know Mangini loves to give guys like him "chances" but this isn't the CFL or College...how many of the Mangini's "chances" have turned out to be even avg starters? and how many turned out to be just not good enough as expected? This isn't training school Eric, and you're not the drill instructor who is supposed to give "yes sir" guys a gratification...that's not your job description
Liked Trautwein too but have lost hope for him since he didn't stick with us OR STL...2 teams lacking T-depth
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Sort of... Heckert told Mangini he could have the last 3-5 roster spots for whoever he wanted (don't remember exact number) and I remember thinking that Veikune and Bubba HAD to be two of those guys.
And Asante's coverage in preseason wasn't nearly as bad as it had been advertised to be leading into training camp. Bummer.
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lol, it was just coincidence... I didn't look to see who had said what (I believe more than one person alluded to it being a Mangini thing) or who I clicked on; I just clicked on the last post in the thread and started typing I, too, don't see it as a move worth worrying about. He certainly wasn't going to be the answer to anything for us and people on Tampa boards are probably trying to figure out what the deal is with this Asante guy. Some will be undoubtedly be hyping him and some will look at him and call it what it is: a bottom of the roster move. I think that if you're looking at players #52 & #53 on your roster for significant help/contribution, then you've got some severe problems much further up the depth chart that you need to be much more worried about. I view the bottom 8 spots of the active roster as a "Varsity" Practice Squad because you can only have 45 people on game day, anyway. People on the actual practice squad.. they're pretty far away from being in a position to do anything for you, so losing them usually isn't that big of a deal.
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Sucks that we lost Asante, but we probably shouldn't have put too much hope into a 5th rounder.
It means we'll be looking for another SS in the draft..
Safety is hardly the biggest concern on our defense.
I would put replacing Elam (who has actually played pretty well over the last month or so) behind a DE, LB, and CB on defense ....... not to mention a T, G, and WR on offense. I'd probably even put it behind kicker if Dawson leaves after this season.
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I still can;t believe we cut Nick Speegle.....
Ahhhh Browns' late round man-crushes....
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I still can;t believe we cut Nick Speegle.....
Ahhhh Browns' late round man-crushes....
LMAO
How about Antonio Garay from the 2003 draft.
He is now the starting NT for the Chargers, and has 4 sacks and 34 tackles. He has finally come into his own at age 31.
Man, people complained about Butch Davis' drafts ..... and maybe deservedly so .... but jere it is, 9 seasons later, and 4 of his 7 picks that year are still playing in the NFL. (Jeff Faine, Chris Crocker, Ryan Pontbriand, and Antonio Garay)
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I agree Ytown, Elam has tasted some prosperity and that could be just what he needed to give him some confidence that might just inspire him and his play.
In general I think folks have been a little hard on TJ of late. We knew going in to the season that there would be a learning curb and most rookies hit a wall about this time of year any way, because their bodies are not used to the length of the season in the NFL and he plays every snap.
I hope that Norwood's promotion is because they think he can help our offense and not just a guy who will not be on the active 45 man roster.
Mitchell was thrown to on one occation that I can recall and had the 9 yard reverse play against Carolina.
When I first saw the thread. My first thought was that Norwood was probably replacing Mitchell.
I am glad to read that, that was not the case.
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DB Coye Francies has returned. The Browns have re-signed their 2009 sixth round draft pick and placed him on the practice squad. Francies played most recently for the UFL champion Las Vegas Locomotives.
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I had high hopes for him and Carey when we drafted them. Scott Wright had Coye as a 4th round pick and thought we may have found something in him. From the rumors, after the hazing incident as a rookie he was never the same, I hope he can turn it around.
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Wow, they must have seen something in him playing against the "Z Squad". Seriously though, It wouldn't surprise me to see some of these guys who are cut go and play for these minor league football teams just to get a look. I'm sure that the NFL scouts them, and if a guy shows up big consistently. he will probably get another NFL shot.
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Well Francies gets another opportunity.
Some how I think he would of gained some experience and maturity from his round about journey.
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