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I always see people comparing hm to Mike Alstott.
For me every time I see him run I picture John Riggins.
The guy is a beast. Quick feet, Power, and good hands out of the back field. What more can you ask for?
The big difference between Riggins and Hillis is that Hillis is a stand up dude..
Riggins fell down a lot off the field,, something to do with booze me thinks 
I'm joking kinda,,,but off the field, they are two different kinda guys.. Hillis is way more clean and straight.. Riggins IIRC was a wild child.... lots of parties...
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Like his quote to Supreme Court Justice, Sandra Day O'Conner “Come on, Sandy, baby, loosen up. You're too tight.”
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Like his quote to Supreme Court Justice, Sandra Day O'Conner
“Come on, Sandy, baby, loosen up. You're too tight.”
Did he really do that? WOW
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I compare Peyton Hillis to ... Peyton Hillis. He's not a small back, obviously, but he has excellent elusiveness. He's not your traditional big back. He goes 240+, yet jumps DBs in a single bound. He is so strong that very rarely does 1 tackler bring him down. He has truly exceptional vision. He sees plays so damn well that it's almost scary. Nearly all of his big runs are the result of picking the right hole and going with it. He blocks really well. Lastly, he catches the ball with his hands, and does a nice job bringing in even passes that are not "on the money". The only "weaknesses" I see are a lack of overwhelming speed and a willingnes to blast tacklers. I do think that he has more than sufficient speed, and that he usually gives worse on tackles than he gets. I am excited because if Hardesty comes back healthy next season, we could conceivably run the ball 35-40 times/game and just destroy teams. I LOVE that style of football. "We're going to run the ball all over your ass, just try to stop us." 
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I agree. having Hardesty will help Hillis.....at least if Hardesty plays as billed.
It might cut Peytons touches a bit.....but I don't consider that a bad thing as long as he is still getting 20-25 a game. Add another 20 to Hardesty and we could end up with 2000 yards on the ground....that will win some games.
I could see the FO going a totally different direction with the draft from the prevalent thinking on the board and go RT with the first pick.
That may be why we are seeing all of these receivers being activated the last few weeks so we can see what we already have.
On the other hand we just picked up Trautwein, a BIG former Gator. He is on the PS right now, but given a few weeks to catch up on the playbook, I expect to see him activated with 2-3 games left so we can audition him at RT to see if he might be the key to our right side line.
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I could see the FO going a totally different direction with the draft from the prevalent thinking on the board and go RT with the first pick.
That may be why we are seeing all of these receivers being activated the last few weeks so we can see what we already have.
I didn't think about this. There were definitely more Mitchell sightings this last game, and now we are about to possibly see a Norwood sighting. Only problem I have is, why on earth would we draft a RT in the first round, and give him LT money? Yes, they need to block equally as well, but it is almost a common belief that if you need a RT, you don't draft your guy in the 1st round. You wait.
I'd rather draft a great WR in the first, and then draft a true RT in the 2nd.
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Only problem I have is, why on earth would we draft a RT in the first round, and give him LT money? Yes, they need to block equally as well, but it is almost a common belief that if you need a RT, you don't draft your guy in the 1st round. You wait.
Bingo. Only way it would be worth considering is if we were picking in the 25-32 range, which obviously we won't be. I'm all for an O-line centric draft strategy, but RT in the first round just doesn't have the same value as other positions.
Hell, looking at the way the line has played overall this season with the revolving door we've had at RT should be some indication of its relative importance.
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Our greatest strength right now is the run. RT makes that happen, and getting sombody with feet that can pass block will help the throwing game as well. I like a wideout in FA that we can see film on. Or trade for. We are looking to see what we have (and lack), hence some of the PS shuffling. But some pass catching is in Colt's future fer shure. A huge right tackle is a must.
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Man, RT is not as huge a need as some people say.
It would be nice to find a developmental RT ..... but if we get people back healthy, we'll have our best line of:
Thomas
Steinback
Mack
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Womack
I'll go to war with that OL against anyone. That's a top 10 line right there.
Then we have Lauvoa as top G backup, plus St Clair and/or Pashos, and Vallos who, IIRC, can play any of the interior spots.
That's a really good and deep line.
I would love to find a great RT in free agency, but I doubt it happens. I would not be opposed to taking a RT in the 3rd or 4th round, but anything higher than that and we cheat ourselves at positions of far more need.
We need pass rushers at DL and LB. Those are needs. We need a "plus" veteran WR. Fill those spots, then we can look at areas of lesser need.
Now if we come up with a great pass rusher and great WR in free agency, and I'd be all for putting another top pick into the OL. However, you can often find quality RTs in the 3rd round or below. It's much tougher to find great pass rushers in the 3rd and below.
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I agree. having Hardesty will help Hillis.....at least if Hardesty plays as billed.
It might cut Peytons touches a bit.....but I don't consider that a bad thing as long as he is still getting 20-25 a game. Add another 20 to Hardesty and we could end up with 2000 yards on the ground....that will win some games.
I could see the FO going a totally different direction with the draft from the prevalent thinking on the board and go RT with the first pick.
That may be why we are seeing all of these receivers being activated the last few weeks so we can see what we already have.
On the other hand we just picked up Trautwein, a BIG former Gator. He is on the PS right now, but given a few weeks to catch up on the playbook, I expect to see him activated with 2-3 games left so we can audition him at RT to see if he might be the key to our right side line.
I liked Trautwein when he was in college. What happened to him as a pro?
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I agree. Think about all the injuries we have had on the OL this year and we are still have a pretty darn good OL overall.
we do have depth on OL. sure, we could use a more dominant RT, but heck, most teams could. we have other more pressing needs.
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Today on the Dan Patrick Show Tony Dungy called Peyton Hillis, "Mini Mike Alstott".  
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Yeah... Hillis is a much more complete back than Alstott was, IMO. If anything, Alstott is a "mini" Hillis. That said, I'm sure Tony meant that as a compliment, so I won't rag on him for the comment.
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tony dungy coached alstott. No way he called him a "mini-hillis."
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While I love all the cudos Hillis is getting, it bothers me that he is only compared to white RBs. I personally find this a little racist. Why is it that when a white guy is a good back, he isn't compared to black players? I personally would compare him to Bettis more than Alstott.
Alstott was big and strong, but didn't have the atheletic ability that Hillis has. Even John Riggins is a better example than Alstott. There have been many big RBs that were black that would more easily compare with Hillis IMO.
I'm not trying to start any racial thing here, but it just kills me that the media will not compare him to someone like Earl Cambell, instead of a guy like Alstott, just because he was also white.
I find Hillis more of a Jerome Bettis type player. One that will beat you up, but has just enough speed to hit the outside and take one home. I also think that if you atr going to only compare him to white guys, then the name Larry Csonka better come up.
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I don't think there is a comparison for Hillis.
Usually the big guys who run people over don't also catch the ball as well as Hillis does.
Why do we have to compare him to anyone?
He might just be one of a kind.
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His build and the pads he chooses to wear makes the Alstott comparison unavoidable, if inaccurate.
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Yeah he's unlike anything out there... Dude is just a physical freak. One of the reason why Mangini went and picked him up. He's always looking for the monsters of players that are versitile, have a high motor and just make men look like little boys
Hillis fits that mold... he just doesn't care. If he wants to make a play... there is no other person on the other side of that line who will stop him individually.
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plus, he's the second player mangini acquired in two seasons who hunts wild boar.
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plus, he's the second player mangini acquired in two seasons who hunts wild boar.
well Mangini needs someone to go out there with him on the bye weeks afterall.
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, he's the second player mangini acquired in two seasons who hunts wild boar.
...with his bare hands.
there, fixed it
p.s. It's being said that Chuck Norris wears Peyton Hillis pajamas.
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I could see the FO going a totally different direction with the draft from the prevalent thinking on the board and go RT with the first pick.
That may be why we are seeing all of these receivers being activated the last few weeks so we can see what we already have.
I didn't think about this. There were definitely more Mitchell sightings this last game, and now we are about to possibly see a Norwood sighting. Only problem I have is, why on earth would we draft a RT in the first round, and give him LT money? Yes, they need to block equally as well, but it is almost a common belief that if you need a RT, you don't draft your guy in the 1st round. You wait.
I'd rather draft a great WR in the first, and then draft a true RT in the 2nd.
I agree with that, but there are two facts. We need to improve our line on the RT side, and nothing says we will stay at 9 or wherever we draft.
Note....I am not predicting we go OL. Just saying with all the WR sightings lately, it indicates to me we are looking at the position and the players we currently have. At least by my logic, it tells me we want to see if WR is really the route we want to take.
Chances are good one of the top receivers will be there when we draft.....which would be a plus if trading down a few slots was the route we want to take.
I think I mentioned it earlier....the signing of Trautwein could support the exact opposite argument....we want to see what he can do because we want to beef up the skill positions on the team.
I expect to see him active and playing some before the season is out. he's been with the team before, so it shouldn't take too long for him to get up to snuff with the plays.
I will say this. I have never bought in to the idea you don't draft certain positions before X draft slot other than maybe kickers.
If you know the guy is good, draft him. Several years back I was really hot on Steve Hutchenson,,,a guard. I was told you don't ever draft a guard that high....I think we may have been drafting 3rd or 4th that year.
I still maintain that would have been a excellent picks that would have helped us .
Sure, you can pick up guards and RT's in the later rounds, but it isn't that often teams do that....a few a year.
I guess all I am saying is we have had a number of Paul Zukaskis' and John St. Claire's over the years.
Maybe it's time to just get it done, pay a little more then be done with it for a decade....those guys end up making the money anyway.
Just rambling now....but a sound point I think....Heckert seems to know good receivers having grabbed Macklin and Jackson in recent years.
Maybe it continues here.
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This team needs 2 pass rushers and a true WR long before it needs a RT. We have a total of 3 guys who are capable at RTin Womack, Pashos, and St Clair ... a capable RG in Yates ... and a developmental guy in Lauvoa.
If we were to go RT in the first round, I would go through the roof.
I kow that you like Trautwein, and it's possible that he gets onto the main roster before the end of the season, but I don't see it unless there is a major injury.
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I agree that more than likely we address offensive skill positions...mainly receiver.
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I have taken a liking to calling Hillis "The Vanilla Gorilla" or "The White Rhino".
He sure has made football a bit more exciting for me this year.
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I have taken a liking to calling Hillis "The Vanilla Gorilla" or "The White Rhino".
Both of those make me hungry. but for completely different reasons.
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I think Mangini doesn't get enough credit for recognizing what this guy could do if he got the opportunities. He told Heckert to go get this guy and he has been arguably the best back we have had here in the past 20-25 years.
If Hardesty can rebound from injury and become a productive back next year---then our running game is goinng to be one of the best in the league next year---and it won't be some shifty finesse-type ground attack either. No one is going to want to have to play against us.
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Thats the best one Ive seen yet.
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Thats the best one Ive seen yet.
that's the WORST one I have seen so far.. Vanilla Gorilla? Wow.
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I'm of the mind that "Peyton Hillis" works just fine for him...
...and it works just fine for me, as well.
Last time I checked, there was never a "catchy nickname" for:
Bernie Kosar
Kevin Mack
Ernest Byner
Webster Slaughter
Paul Warfield
Gary Collins
Frank Ryan
Marion Motley
Joe DeLamielleure
Leroy Kelly
Eric Metcalf
Clay Matthews
Joshua Cribbs...
...or Jim Brown.
For what it's worth, I like that many of our best players had no trendy pop-culture nicknames associated with their on-field personas.The name on the jersey was enough for me... once jerseys began sporting names.
Sometimes, a man's given name good enough, just as it is. After all, it's how each will be enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame- where fathers take thier sons to Canton, and walk them through that display of greats.
For my part, I'm willing to eschew the attachment of a trendy monniker in lieu of seeing a Browns player 'make his mark' upon the league... and be represented as the man his Mother and Father named him for this world.
To put it quite simply: "Peyton Hillis" is good enough for me.
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Devastating.
Impactful.
A Real Man... who made a Real Impact on The Game.
I suspect that given all I've read about him....
...it's probably good enough for him, as well.
just sayin'...
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While the Broncos may have only had one fourth-down attempt, it was a big one. During Denver's decisive drive, the Broncos faced a crucial fourth-and-1 and they gave the ball to FB Peyton Hillis. Browns S Sean Jones appeared to have Hillis stopped in the backfield, but the rookie out of Arkansas dragged him a yard and half to convert the first down.
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