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Look at the opening drive in Buffalo. When a physical tone could have been set, Mangini ordered a field goal after Hillis was stuffed on third-and-goal at the 1.
That decision (I felt) sealed our fate for that game. What a better way to let your team know you have absolutely no faith in them. (especially against a team like Buffalo  )
I quoted his postgame presser when asked about this...he said he "expected" a 1 score game, so he chose to kick it...I don't want no HC that expects a 1 score game after back to back Ws against a 2 win team, sitting at 5-7 and having roughed up a much better Pats team....why even go into this game with that mindset?....you play to WIN the game, not to STAY in the game....that's a losing mentality
Just look at winning teams, they go for on 4th down more often...I see it every sunday...KC goes for it on 4th downs almost "philosophically", they have 21 4th down attemtps....we are at the bottom with 4 4th down attempts btw
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The players that produced two 5-11 seasons have something to say ??? Give me a break ! 
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For those advocating against a coaching change that involves Holmgren taking over due to his preference for a 4-3, look at the Steelers. Tomlin is a
4-3 guy but has kep the 3-4 since taking over. It's worked out pretty well, too.
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Bill Livingston has been so wrong on so many things that he makes Grossi look like a high seer. LOL
I look at it like this:
Is Mangini's philosophy sound? It must be, because it's the same type of philosophy the (consistently) top 2 teams in our division live and die by.
Baltimore .... look at their results this year ....
W by 1
L by 5
W by 7
W by 3
W by 14
L by 3
W by 3 OT
W by 16
L by 5
W by 24
W by 7
L by 3
W by 6 OT
W by 6
W by 10
They don't usually blow people out, and they don't usually get blown out. Most of their games are close,, hard fought games, that are decided by a big play here or there.
Pittsburgh has, in fairness, had more blowout type wins.
However, they play the game the same way. Pittsburgh has more big play type guys.
The 2 teams are 16th and 17th in passing offense. Cincinnati is actually ranked above them in passing offense.
Pittsburgh and Baltimore ake big plays when they need to. That is a player aspect more than a coaching aspect. If it was a coaching aspect, then Pittsburgh's defense wouldn't have dropped so badly when Polumalu was out last year. Ed Reed wouldn't make such a difference for Baltimore. Imagine Pittsburgh's offense if they lost Mike Wallace for any length of time. Would they be as explosive? Would their defense be as intimidating if they lost Harrison for a stretch? Would they make those big plays in crunch time? Maybe ... but nowhere near as consistently.
Players make plays.
The philosophy can help somewhat, by putting players in position to make plays, but, in the end, you need a few special players to make special plays in the clutch. This is what we lack.
The philosophy is fime. It is the same philosophy as the 2 teams that consistently rule our division employ. We need the couple of difference makers who .... well .... make the difference.
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For those advocating against a coaching change that involves Holmgren taking over due to his preference for a 4-3, look at the Steelers. Tomlin is a
4-3 guy but has kep the 3-4 since taking over. It's worked out pretty well, too.
Would you expect them to can Dick LeBeau on Mike Tomlin's say-so?
Tomlin's a figurehead for that team and that's about it. He won the coaching lottery, inheriting possibly the most complete team in the NFL.
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j/c So If the Steelers beat the Browns next week, and Cinci beats Balt, then we move from 3rd place in our division, to dead last...I think I'm correct about that, yes?  That to me would be the last straw, and I would hope Mangini is let go by the next day.
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Two things:
1. When you play to keep games close, you're going to lose close games.
2. You also lose close games when you get outscored 102-60 in the 4th quarter.
Good coaches find a way to win the close ones... bad coaches find a way to lose them.
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Two things:
1. When you play to keep games close, you're going to lose close games.
2. You also lose close games when you get outscored 102-60 in the 4th quarter.
Good coaches find a way to win the close ones... bad coaches find a way to lose them.
And players have nothing at all to do with it?
Give Mangini the Ravens roster and give Harbaugh ours ..... who wins?
Seriously.
Give Mangini the Steelers roster, and give Tomlin ours. Do you seriously see Tomlin winnning even 2 out of 10?
Players matter, because players make big plays. Schemes create consistent smaller plays. Players (and talent) create big, explosive plays.
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Those numbers don't tell the whole story. Just because the final score was close does not mean it was a close game. Take the Ravens/Texans game for example. Ravens were up 28-7 in mid-3rd quarter and the game ended up going to overtime. They gave up two huge drives in the 4th quarter. That's not exactly the kind of philosophy I want to see on the Browns. I want to see us finish off a team with a lead like that, not let them back into the game.
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And players have nothing at all to do with it?
Give Mangini the Ravens roster and give Harbaugh ours ..... who wins?
Seriously.
Give Mangini the Steelers roster, and give Tomlin ours. Do you seriously see Tomlin winnning even 2 out of 10?
Players matter, because players make big plays. Schemes create consistent smaller plays. Players (and talent) create big, explosive plays.
Players have a lot to do with it. Mangini has a lot to do with the players he puts on the field. I'll never understand how Mangini is defended by the terrible quality of players on the team when he's responsible for a large chunk of it (and the bad chunk of it at that). I don't even want to think how bad it would be if Mangini had drafted last year instead of Heckert...
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I just want to emphasize this point:
You can have a QB. Your choices are: Roethlisberger, Flacco, or McCoy. Who do you take?
You can have a pair of WRs. You can have Boldin/Mason, Wallace/Ward, or Massaquoi/Robiske. Which pair do you take?
You can have a pair of RBs. You can have Hillis/Bell, Mendenhall/Moore, or Rice/McGahee. Who are you staking your job on?
Whose OL do you want?
Whose DL do you want?
Whose LBs do you want? Whose secondary do you want? I type this out because this is probably where we rate the closest. The Steelers have Polumolu and are servicable other than that. The Ravens have Landry and Reed, and a pair of decent type CBs. The Browns should be very solid here for years to come. Even so, today ..... it would be hard to take the Browns secondary if you had to win a game today or you're fired.
The talent gap has started to close. That doesn't mean that we are on equal footing in the talent department. It's not even close. We lack those home run players that the Ravens and Steelers have at multiple positions.
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And players have nothing at all to do with it?
Give Mangini the Ravens roster and give Harbaugh ours ..... who wins?
Seriously.
Give Mangini the Steelers roster, and give Tomlin ours. Do you seriously see Tomlin winnning even 2 out of 10?
Players matter, because players make big plays. Schemes create consistent smaller plays. Players (and talent) create big, explosive plays.
Players have a lot to do with it. Mangini has a lot to do with the players he puts on the field. I'll never understand how Mangini is defended by the terrible quality of players on the team when he's responsible for a large chunk of it (and the bad chunk of it at that). I don't even want to think how bad it would be if Mangini had drafted last year instead of Heckert...
That 2009 draft is going to haunt this team for a while.
Saw earlier today that David Veikune has 3 tackles in 3 games played for the Broncos this year.
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I just want to emphasize this point:
You can have a QB. Your choices are: Roethlisberger, Flacco, or McCoy. Who do you take?
You can have a pair of WRs. You can have Boldin/Mason, Wallace/Ward, or Massaquoi/Robiske. Which pair do you take?
You can have a pair of RBs. You can have Hillis/Bell, Mendenhall/Moore, or Rice/McGahee. Who are you staking your job on?
Whose OL do you want?
Whose DL do you want?
Whose LBs do you want? Whose secondary do you want? I type this out because this is probably where we rate the closest. The Steelers have Polumolu and are servicable other than that. The Ravens have Landry and Reed, and a pair of decent type CBs. The Browns should be very solid here for years to come. Even so, today ..... it would be hard to take the Browns secondary if you had to win a game today or you're fired.
The talent gap has started to close. That doesn't mean that we are on equal footing in the talent department. It's not even close. We lack those home run players that the Ravens and Steelers have at multiple positions.
Just asking, but would you take any Bengals over the Browns from the list above?
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I just want to emphasize this point:
You can have a QB. Your choices are: Roethlisberger, Flacco, or McCoy. Who do you take?
You can have a pair of WRs. You can have Boldin/Mason, Wallace/Ward, or Massaquoi/Robiske. Which pair do you take?
You can have a pair of RBs. You can have Hillis/Bell, Mendenhall/Moore, or Rice/McGahee. Who are you staking your job on?
Whose OL do you want?
Whose DL do you want?
Whose LBs do you want? Whose secondary do you want?
The talent excuse is a horrible one to rest your hat on (don't mean to single you out cuz it's used time and again to defend Mangini).
Dallas has more talent then most teams .... same with SD. Where did that get them this year?!
Before the season started, you could use the same comparison above to KC and no one would have chosent KC, yet they've turned it around. Why? Many reasons I suppose, but you can't overlook the fact that they put together a great coaching staff and their influence has been profound on the players.
Holmgren can't help but look at that team and think, what would be Cleveland's record next year if he brings in 3 experts at the 3 jobs: HC, OC & DC.
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This is gonna be real interesting..right now I think theres a small % Holmgrem bring shim back,I saw too much playing not to lose.
Blown games,misuse of clock/personnel..ingame decisions that baffle everyone but the opposition..
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So If the Steelers beat the Browns next week, and Cinci beats Balt, then we move from 3rd place in our division, to dead last...I think I'm correct about that, yes?
That to me would be the last straw, and I would hope Mangini is let go by the next day.
The positive is, we would be tied at 5-11, yes.
But, yes again, we would own the cellar with a 1-5 Division record to their 2-4.
It's still an improvement, and I think Mangini should get another year, but the coin flip is coming up tails.
Your call, Mike.
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Well .....
Would you take Palmer over McCoy? Perhaps. McCoy is still unproven.
Chad O and TO over Massaquoi and Robiske? Theirs are trouble but extremely productive and ours are unproven and unproductive as yet.
Benson/Scott or our guys? Probably a production wash.
TE is about a wash.
Their defense doesn't impress me as a whole. I thought that they were highly overrated going into this year, yet many experts thought that this was the strength of their team. They are 2 spots ahead of us in total defense. Offensively they are only 2 spots behind Baltimore and 7 spots behind Pittsburgh in total offense.
I think I would still, for the most part, take our guys on defense. They have that Peko kid who I think might make a decent 3-4 DE. Dunlap might make a decent pass rushing LB. Joseph might be solid. Overall, their LBs don't translate to the 3-4, so it's hard to say there. Overall though, not an impressive unit by any stretch.
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Would you take Palmer over McCoy? Perhaps. McCoy is still unproven.
Chad O and TO over Massaquoi and Robiske? Theirs are trouble but extremely productive and ours are unproven and unproductive as yet.
Benson/Scott or our guys? Probably a production wash.
TE is about a wash.
Their defense doesn't impress me as a whole. I thought that they were highly overrated going into this year, yet many experts thought that this was the strength of their team. They are 2 spots ahead of us in total defense. Offensively they are only 2 spots behind Baltimore and 7 spots behind Pittsburgh in total offense.
I think I would still, for the most part, take our guys on defense. They have that Peko kid who I think might make a decent 3-4 DE. Dunlap might make a decent pass rushing LB. Joseph might be solid. Overall, their LBs don't translate to the 3-4, so it's hard to say there. Overall though, not an impressive unit by any stretch.
Funny how the "many experts" seem to be wrong about 50% of the time, hey look at KC, 10-5 record and "they" didn't see them coming either. How many Pro-Bowlers will be from KC this year? I bet more than the Brown will have. (if we have any) 
I would take the Browns over most if not all of Cinci, but from your first list given examples of Balt and the Steelers, It made me think we have long way to go, we really are short 1 player almost every position.
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I just want to emphasize this point:
You can have a QB. Your choices are: Roethlisberger, Flacco, or McCoy. Who do you take?
You can have a pair of WRs. You can have Boldin/Mason, Wallace/Ward, or Massaquoi/Robiske. Which pair do you take?
You can have a pair of RBs. You can have Hillis/Bell, Mendenhall/Moore, or Rice/McGahee. Who are you staking your job on?
Whose OL do you want?
Whose DL do you want?
Whose LBs do you want? Whose secondary do you want?
The talent excuse is a horrible one to rest your hat on (don't mean to single you out cuz it's used time and again to defend Mangini).
Dallas has more talent then most teams .... same with SD. Where did that get them this year?!
Before the season started, you could use the same comparison above to KC and no one would have chosent KC, yet they've turned it around. Why? Many reasons I suppose, but you can't overlook the fact that they put together a great coaching staff and their influence has been profound on the players.
Holmgren can't help but look at that team and think, what would be Cleveland's record next year if he brings in 3 experts at the 3 jobs: HC, OC & DC.
Really? Coaching can and does ruin talent. It can improve marginal talent. It can develop elite talent.
One thing it cannot do though, is manufacture elite talent out of scraps.
As far as the KC conparison, KC was one of the surprise teams chosen by many of the experts to turn it around in a big way. They did put together a great staff, and they have gotten great results. Matt Cassel is playing like he did 2 years ago. They already had an established WR in Chambers. They also had an esteblished guy in Bowe, who put it all together this year after a down year last year. However, 3 of his 4 years have been right around 1000 yards ..... so last year's downturn can be looked at as the exception. They had Jammall Charles, who had 1000 yards last year, and Thomas Jones who they added from the Jets.
They have talent, and they have talent which has shown to be productive in the past. It's not that the coaches came in and took guys who had never done anything in their careers and turned them into worldbeaters. Most of those guys had been "plus" producers in the past.
Theis cask leader has been with them for 5 years. 12 sacks this year, 8.5 last year. Gilberry is 2nd on their team with 7 sacks, He had 4.5 last year. However, it's not like they just put together a lot of guys who had never done anything before. They had some talented players at some key spots. Their draft got them a starter in Berry, a TE in Moeaki who is a decent player, and some decent players. Their 2nd rounder, McCluster, has 20 catches for the year.
Actually, they are a pretty good example of a team that just needed some time to develop and a couple of pieces added. If Mangini should be fired this year, Haley should have definitely been fired last year for going 4-12 with this group of players. However, the Chiefs brain trust stayed with him, added a couple of premier assistant coaches when they became available, and went from there.
The Chiefs were, and still are, from top to bottom, more talented at almost every spot than the Browns are. This was true last year as well.
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The talent excuse is a horrible one to rest your hat on (don't mean to single you out cuz it's used time and again to defend Mangini).
Dallas has more talent then most teams .... same with SD. Where did that get them this year?!
Before the season started, you could use the same comparison above to KC and no one would have chosent KC, yet they've turned it around. Why? Many reasons I suppose, but you can't overlook the fact that they put together a great coaching staff and their influence has been profound on the players.
No, it - like most things - has to be taken in context.
Our talent DOES suck, yet we're still competitive week in and week out.
Dallas' talent does NOT suck, yet they were getting thrashed... now THAT is a coaching failure. Oddly (not really), right after the coach was fired, they started playing better.... which tells us not that the new coach is getting more out of them, but instead that the players were laying down and had quit on the old coach.... that is not happening here.
Kansas City... barely beat us, lost to Indy, Houston. & Oakland. Got demolished by Denver the first time, barely squeaked one out the second time. Surprised San Diego in week 1, but was obliterated by them in Week 14. In fact, I think Jax & Indy are the only above .500 teams that they have played.
Basically, I would say that they are a team that is equivalent to us, but with a FAR easier schedule... and thus they've won a few of their close ones where we've lost them.
In short, they are the 2007 Browns.
As for talent... I'd Dwayne Bowe over any WR we have any day. Having Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles in your backfield doesn't hurt, either... not to mention Chris Chambers, Dexter McCluster & Leonard Pope. That's an offense that has WAY more firepower than ours. Did you notice their linebackers? Mike Vrabel & Derrick Johnson... and a guy named Tamba Hali with 12 sacks. Then there's Glenn Dorsey at DE and Eric Berry at Safety. So yeah... they DO have more talent than us.
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So If the Steelers beat the Browns next week, and Cinci beats Balt, then we move from 3rd place in our division, to dead last...I think I'm correct about that, yes?
That to me would be the last straw, and I would hope Mangini is let go by the next day.
The positive is, we would be tied at 5-11, yes.
But, yes again, we would own the cellar with a 1-5 Division record to their 2-4.
It's still an improvement, and I think Mangini should get another year, but the coin flip is coming up tails.
Your call, Mike.
Yes Mike will have to have something positive to point to for keeping EM, so holding on to 3rd place would help. (if he wants to keep Mangini)...but I am 100% sure Mike doesn't want to...Because he would have given a press statement saying "we support Mangini" or something simple like that if he had not already made up him mind about EM...But Mike and the front office have said nothing at all. That tells me Mangini is to be let go.
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Just because they weren't quoted in this narrowly-aimed article doesn't mean that they DON'T support him. One cannot infer from the fact that they aren't mentioned that they are either for or against him. Only direct quotes would clear that up for any of us.
I'd be interested to know how they felt. A sampling of 10-15 players would definitely give us a better feel for the locker room, but that's for another srticle, I guess. What I haven't heard are the same type of cryptic rumblings that I heard near the end of Butch's tenure. There have been few comments of any sort from our players. In a way, it's rather reassuring to me in that things are being held together in a professional manner. Dirty laundry (if there is any) aired in public is never a good thing.
I hope your q's get answered. I have the same ones myself, but all I can go on is what's printed, you know?
Guess we'll see soon enough.
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But Mike and the front office have said nothing at all. That tells me Mangini is to be let go.
Pretty good point. And I neither want you to be right or wrong. Just get it over, so we can move on as a team / franchise / fanbase.
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Holmgren also said that he would not make a decision until after the season ..... so maybe that means that he is just going by his word?
Holmgren was a coach. "Votes of confidence" are often exactly the opposite, and are interpretted as such. Why add fuel to the fire by making such a statement to the media?
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Because he would have given a press statement saying "we support Mangini" or something simple like that if he had not already made up him mind about EM...But Mike and the front office have said nothing at all. That tells me Mangini is to be let go.
I don't completely disagree, because this is just as plausible as anything, but I believe that Holmgren has stated on more than one occasion that it would all be handled after the season. To me, that says that one way or the other, any statements to be made will be made then.
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The bottom line is Holmgren has been doing this a long time and with a lot of success. There is so much that goes on behind the scenes that none of us know about. It's going to come down to one thing and one thing only...does Holmgren believe he can win long term with Mangini.
We'll all know the answer to that question shortly.
And regardless of the answer ...stay or go...I'll get on board and support whoever is in charge ...but my preference based on what I've seen and read ...I'd rather we move on with someone who Mike knows well and believes in.
But I won't cry if Mangini stays. And if I were a betting man, I think he's gone.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'll be honest.... I'll be pissed if he's gone. I think it'll be a massive mistake that will set this team back and it would get me to seriously question Holmgren.
Sure, the new guy will get us back on track... after another down year of installing his way of doing things, fighting to get the players to buy into his way.
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Holmgren also said that he would not make a decision until after the season ..... so maybe that means that he is just going by his word?
Holmgren was a coach. "Votes of confidence" are often exactly the opposite, and are interpretted as such. Why add fuel to the fire by making such a statement to the media?
I don't know that it would add fire fuel,....I would trust Holmgren to stand by his word. It is a valid point, to me, that he has said nothing. Now we have the supposition that players doing so is some kind of "sign."
I will quit speculating. Just tell me when it's over. 
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Well if it makes you feel any better ...take solace knowing that Holmgren is in charge. I'm not usually a blind faith type of guy, but having Holmgren is the closest we've come to having a legit NFL guy in charge ....someone who's had success in this league at the highest levels ...in a long time.
I'm going to hang my hat on that for now and trust that he's taken into account the issues that you raised.
I'm trusting he's going to make the right, informed decision that are in the best interests of the Browns.
And a side note...If Holmgren us feeling like there is something to work with in McCoy as the future...I think that will somehow factor heavily into his decision.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Just because they weren't quoted in this narrowly-aimed article doesn't mean that they DON'T support him. One cannot infer from the fact that they aren't mentioned that they are either for or against him. Only direct quotes would clear that up for any of us.
Well, the article said players "avoided" to answer those questions up until after this game...why should they? Couldn't they just say "Coach is great, I'd like him to stay"? What would they lose?
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Couldn't they just say "Coach is great, I'd like him to stay"? What would they lose?
Sometimes you're better off just not saying anything to the media.
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what about the scenario that Mangini stays and Daboll is replaced?
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what about the scenario that Mangini stays and Daboll is replaced?
I think most wouldnt minds that, it's just how is Mangini gonna react when Holgram picks an Off. cordinator for him to work with, it's not Managini pick.
Draballs gotta be gone, no this or thats he's gotta be replaced.
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If Holmgren keeps Gini, I'm sure Gini's input would be valued and considered.
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what about the scenario that Mangini stays and Daboll is replaced?
Would this come with an advanced class on how to tell time?
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what about the scenario that Mangini stays and Daboll is replaced?
The only problem I have if they bring Gini back but can Dabol.
Then what?If Holmgrem brings in a credible OC ,hows that gonna work out?
Gini is a control freak and I'd really like to know who is doing what...is Mangini hovering over Dabol and having his hand in the playcalling,or is all on Dabol?
If it's the former,then I know there would clashes between Gini and a new OC no matter who it is.
For those who want Gini back lemmie ask this..REALLY?
What has he done that no other credible/quality HC hasn't /couldn't do with this team?
If U just answer using the consistancy word then thats not good enough.
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Gini is a control freak and
Not so sure about this anymore.. especially with Holmgren around. A head coach should be like an overseer, and I think thats what Gini' does. He may have his input, and sometimes make a final call, but I doubt that he will ever be the one calling plays whether its offense or defense.
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In the end, it will come down to 5 questions:
Can Holmgren work with Mangini? I think that it appears that they can work together.
Has the team improved under Mangini? I think that would have to be a yes as well. This year's team is much, much better than last year's regardless of record. Holmgren has been a head coach. He knows that you can sometimes have a much improved team and not have the record show it.
Has the team improved enough? This is a big question, and one that only Holmgren can answer. Given that the top 2 teams in our division are 11 win teams, and the other was last year's runaway division winner, what is the standard for this year? What was the expectation?
Can the team continue to improve under Mangini? This might be the biggest question that Holmgren has to answer. Mangini did the dirty work this year. Does he get another year to reap some of the rewards of the discipline and system he has put in place? This is another question that only Holmgren can answer.
Can the team improve with a tweak instead of a teardown? Can Mangini make changes on his staff to satisfy any concerns that Holmgren might have? Maybe change the OC and replace Daboll with McDaniel or Childress? Does the team have to move to a "pure" WCO (whatever that is), or can a Mangini system with some enhancements work for Holmgren?
In the end, it's the last 3 that will determine Mangini's future. My gut says that Mangini will return, with staff changes. Will that be Holmgren's final answer? That's up to him.
I will add ..... as far as Holmgren returning to the sidelines, this might work for him, but I can't see him retaining his title as President if he does. Lerner is, reportedly, quite happy allowing Holmgren to deal with league meetings and business, and acting as his proxy. I can't see Lerner suddenly deciding that he would love to jump back into league meetings and such because the guy he hired to handle all of that stuff decided to coach again. Given theway that the President's job is structured, I can't see Holmgren doing both jobs. It's just not possible for him to coach and handle league business at the same time. Does he then give up the challenge of being the top man and return to the safer waters of the sidelines? I don't think that's part of his makeup.
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