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The players are eligibile for the bowl game because the NCAA determined they did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred, Lennon said.
So they didn't get ADEQUATE rules education and that equates to a FIVE game suspension?? For a first time offense almost two years ago? I call BS on that one. This is the NCAA saying we won't screw you for the bowl game but we'll screw you next year.
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For a first time offense almost two years ago? I call BS on that one. This is the NCAA saying we won't screw you for the bowl game but we'll screw you next year.
It happened 2 years ago? I wasn't aware of that. I haven't read anywhere where any time of the "crime" was listed. Was it really 2 years ago?
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At some point, you have to use some common sense instead of blindly applying a blanket law whose strict interpretation and enforcement does not fit every situation.
Oh sorry.. wrong answer... with thousands of student athletes from hundreds of universities this "common sense" thing will not be permitted. My sons school will not even allow common sense if somebody punches him in the mouth and he hits him back they both get suspended.. so surely on a big national scale there can be no such thing as common sense applied.
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What's to stop the player from buying his own helmets, signing them and selling them?
I will be the first to admit that I'm not well versed in how these rules are written.. but it is my understanding that if you are profiting from your association with the program, while still in the program, then that is against the rules.... Look at it this way, if Joe Wienernodder from the math department was to buy a Buckeye helmet at the bookstore for $120 and sign it, how much could he sell it for? Actually less than $120 because he defaced it... now if Pryor was to buy the same helmet and sign it and sell it for $1000... then if you want to use common sense, logic would dictate that the profit is generated from Pryor's celebrity status, which is a function of the program... And if Pryor wasn't associated with the program, he wouldn't have a Big 10 championship ring to sell... that's a no-brainer.....
But I will state again, if you want to put some common sense into this, then let the kids work in the offseason to make some cash or let the university give them a monthly allowance or something... But the NCAA simply cannot have a floating scale of what is allowed and what is not when they have tens of thousands of athletes to monitor...
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Just to show you how corrupt the NCAA is.
Ohio State university was going to suspend the guys from the bowl game but the NCAA said no.
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Why does that make the NCAA corrupt?
Why wouldn't they suspend superstars like pryor and newton from bowl games?
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or let the university give them a monthly allowance or something... ...
I'm probably wrong, but I thought scholarship players did get a monthly allowance. I swear I read that a few years ago - about 3 players that lived together off campus in an apartment, and paid for it with their monthly allowance from the school.
Maybe it was a "if you don't live in the dorm, we can give you X amount of money" or something like that. Or maybe my memory is going.........
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My bad, I read 2008 rings and awards. It says this occurred in 2009. Almost two years by now . . .. not quite though.
Still, that's a harsh penalty for not properly educating these guys at the time. And considering no action taken against Cam Newton for all his shenanigans . . .
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Also - just my thinking here - on a different note...........I hope Pryor does leave.
He'll find out he isn't that good.............and I have an inkling he'll end up similar to maurice clarett - maybe not in prison for armed robbery - but he'll end up broke, much sooner than later. He's an athlete - not a q.b. - and he's an athlete that has been catered to since he was in high school.
His tweets alone show how immature he is, but more importantly, they show his entitlement attitude.
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Also - just my thinking here - on a different note...........I hope Pryor does leave.
He'll find out he isn't that good.............and I have an inkling he'll end up similar to maurice clarett - maybe not in prison for armed robbery - but he'll end up broke, much sooner than later. He's an athlete - not a q.b. - and he's an athlete that has been catered to since he was in high school.
His tweets alone show how immature he is, but more importantly, they show his entitlement attitude.
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Tressel Needs to put his foot down right now & hard.
These guys knew what they were doing, and somebody along the way had to say, hey guys what your doing could get you suspended, if so n so found out....I dont blame them, the items were there's if they wanna sell them they should be able to, I dont agree with the rule but thats a whole nother thread.
I'm a Buckeye will always be, these guys need to say thier peace, talk to NCAA see if they can get thier suspension reduced, and than be a man & take your punishment, you knew you were doing something wrong.
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My bad, I read 2008 rings and awards. It says this occurred in 2009. Almost two years by now . . .. not quite though.
Still, that's a harsh penalty for not properly educating these guys at the time. And considering no action taken against Cam Newton for all his shenanigans . . .
But it is consistent with what they gave AJ Green - if I recall correctly he was suspended 4 games for approx $1k "profit" from selling his jerseys. And it is not consistent with what Marcell Dareus from Alabama got (1 game) for getting $2k from an agent.
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So, to go by the logic of the NCAA for allowing Cam Newton to play despite the transgressions of his father. . . If these guys were to have given the stuff to their dads, and the dads hawked the stuff for a ton of money, that would have been perfectly fine - Right? Nevermind that the father used the money to then pay for some bling for their kid.
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Also - just my thinking here - on a different note...........I hope Pryor does leave.
He'll find out he isn't that good.............and I have an inkling he'll end up similar to maurice clarett - maybe not in prison for armed robbery - but he'll end up broke, much sooner than later. He's an athlete - not a q.b. - and he's an athlete that has been catered to since he was in high school.
His tweets alone show how immature he is, but more importantly, they show his entitlement attitude.
THANK YOU!
1. His michael vick comments were stupid
2. He's lepippen james friend and supported his stupidity
3. Now this garbage
I have to agree, I wont miss the guy either and hope he just goes ahead and leaves.
Add crapping the bed against quality teams with the exception of Oregon, to that list Candy.
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But it is consistent with what they gave AJ Green - if I recall correctly he was suspended 4 games for approx $1k "profit" from selling his jerseys.
Green wasn't suspended for selling a jersey. He was suspended because the NCAA determined that the guy who bought the jersey was an agent, and said that Green had "improper contact with an agent".
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Also - just my thinking here - on a different note...........I hope Pryor does leave.
He'll find out he isn't that good.............and I have an inkling he'll end up similar to maurice clarett - maybe not in prison for armed robbery - but he'll end up broke, much sooner than later. He's an athlete - not a q.b. - and he's an athlete that has been catered to since he was in high school.
His tweets alone show how immature he is, but more importantly, they show his entitlement attitude.
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1. His michael vick comments were stupid
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I have to agree, I wont miss the guy either and hope he just goes ahead and leaves.
Add crapping the bed against quality teams with the exception of Oregon, to that list Candy.
I have to agree. It's time to move on from the Pryor experiment. His passing hasn't improved since his freshman year, and he's not going to take us to the next level. I really thought he could be coached into a complete qb and team leader, but it hasn't panned out. He could probably be a lesser version of Josh Cribbs on some NFL team, but there's no way he'll be taking snaps in in the pros.
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But it is consistent with what they gave AJ Green - if I recall correctly he was suspended 4 games for approx $1k "profit" from selling his jerseys.
Green wasn't suspended for selling a jersey. He was suspended because the NCAA determined that the guy who bought the jersey was an agent, and said that Green had "improper contact with an agent".
I could see a punishment for jersey or some such...but a reward (ring, trophy) is a bit much. Those items are earned as opposed to supplied.
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Tressel Needs to put his foot down right now & hard.
These guys knew what they were doing, and somebody along the way had to say, hey guys what your doing could get you suspended, if so n so found out....I dont blame them, the items were there's if they wanna sell them they should be able to, I dont agree with the rule but thats a whole nother thread.
I'm a Buckeye will always be, these guys need to say thier peace, talk to NCAA see if they can get thier suspension reduced, and than be a man & take your punishment, you knew you were doing something wrong.
You all most know me to be way-over-the-line hard nosed.
In bold,...for this reason alone, they placed the entire Ohio State football program and its future at incredible risk, and STILL chose to ignore what was right.
I say throw whoever is found to have been the ringleader here, off the team.
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i agree with the masses.
cam newton's family gets 180k, but it's all good because apparently he's oblivious to his father's actions.
5 kids sign a few autographs, get free/discounted ink, sell their stuff and get 5 games? uhhhh...
i think it's pretty disrespectful to your coaches and teammates to sell your rings or those gold pants, but it's your property and you should do what you wish with it. you're a student. students are poor, i get it.
i don't think it's something they should be punished for.
i could see the tattoo thing maybe costing them a game, but 5? that's lame. although if big ben gets his sentence shortened and he raped more than one person than i guess these guys will probably get theirs shortened too.
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But it is consistent with what they gave AJ Green - if I recall correctly he was suspended 4 games for approx $1k "profit" from selling his jerseys.
Green wasn't suspended for selling a jersey. He was suspended because the NCAA determined that the guy who bought the jersey was an agent, and said that Green had "improper contact with an agent".
So, selling paraphernalia to any schmo on the street is worth 5 games and to an agent is worth 4 games? Makes no sense.
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That's the inference I'm making. Having your pops sell it for you? Just gets your name in the headlines for a couple weeks.
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I'm not Ohio State fan.
But I have a question...
If these players signed autographs for someone close to them, let's say their father, and then he sold the autographs, would that be a problem?
cfrs...listening to mike and mike this morning, they had robert smith on...he said if the players had given the stuff (they sold) to their mother to sell, that would have been ok...very similar to what you are saying above, fathers selling autographs.
You could label that tactic, the Cam Newton defense...lol...it worked well for Cam Newton.
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It looks like Tressel's tactic is to publicly take the blame for not adequately informing the five players of the rules. The appeal will probably also show mitigating factors - the players' financial need - in an attempt to get the suspension reduced to 2 games. If I were JT, I'd also get a message to the NCAA - strictly through backchannels - that if the suspensions aren't reduced, then the five players will be suspended for The Sugar Bowl by him, and the OSU. The NCAA doesn't want their precious BCS to be affected financially? Tough rockos. Its a shame for the seniors playing their last game, but that will be on Pryor and the other 4 players, not Tressel.
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Extremely good take.
If the suspension remains at 5 after appeal, I see these kids walking anyway.
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Tressel Needs to put his foot down right now & hard.
These guys knew what they were doing, and somebody along the way had to say, hey guys what your doing could get you suspended, if so n so found out....I dont blame them, the items were there's if they wanna sell them they should be able to, I dont agree with the rule but thats a whole nother thread.
I'm a Buckeye will always be, these guys need to say thier peace, talk to NCAA see if they can get thier suspension reduced, and than be a man & take your punishment, you knew you were doing something wrong.
You all most know me to be way-over-the-line hard nosed.
In bold,...for this reason alone, they placed the entire Ohio State football program and its future at incredible risk, and STILL chose to ignore what was right.
I say throw whoever is found to have been the ringleader here, off the team.
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The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Indeed no actual laws were broken unless there is some type of tax due for selling these items. Five games is steep especially when considering any possible personal end of season awards. I expect the suspensions to be reduced.
Did they know what they were doing violated NCAA policy? Very, very likely. Is this a severe transgression? No. Let anyone who has never driven over the speed limit cast the first stone. Seriously.
The NCAA is a hypocritical governing body considering that they are whores to the BCS / TV money. Like other college athletes these kids put in a multitude of hours practicing and on gameday and have a full class schedule. A number of those suspended are successful in the classroom. I dare say they work harder / put in more hours than those with full time jobs. Again .... cast the first stone.
Gonzo was right.
I don't agree at all with the negative opinions of Terrell. He appears to be a good young man that would make any father proud. My take on his football efforts is that he came in as an option / spread QB that wants to develop into an NFL QB and I believe that Coach Tressell promised to help him in that effort. The promise continues.
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Pryor can be a good human being when he's not being influenced by others. I think that doushe Lepippen and his stooges have corrupted him.
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I think that's crud. He chose to allow himself to be 'corrupted'. He is his own man, he makes his own choices.
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How has Terrelle Pryor been "corrupted"?? Because he sold a trophy?
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I believe Candy was referring to his attitude, his sense of entitlement and thoughts that he is above reproach. But, I could be wrong.
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I believe OSU has already filed an appeal..on exactly what grounds, I'm not sure of.
Something that might help support an appeal by OSU...when the NCAA reviews their rules and regulations, if they make changes to language/regulations that govern situations such as this one...attempting to make the language easier to understand...that might help support an appeal and maybe result in a reduction in the length of the suspensions.
Probably a long shot...
ALSO...anyone have info on how the NCAA found out about this?
Someone had to turn these guys in to either the University or to the NCAA.
I wonder who turned them in?
There is more to this story than we know at this point...hopefully we can find out how the NCAA got involved.
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Indeed no actual laws were broken unless there is some type of tax due for selling these items.
Technically, I do believe there should be tax due. No one does it, but even if you sell things at a garage sale, you are supposed to include that in your taxable income for fed. income tax purposes. At least according to posters on here that know more about it than I do.
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I was friends with several basketball players for OSU, while I'm not sure how much or how often, these athletes did get an allowance of some sort from the university
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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I believe Candy was referring to his attitude, his sense of entitlement and thoughts that he is above reproach. But, I could be wrong.
You are correct sir
What has he done, though, to show a sense of entitlement and thoughts that he's above reproach? I'm asking seriously; I don't follow and hang on the words of college athletes.
I suspect the real issue here (in general, not regarding any particular individual) is that Terrelle Pryor came in as the hottest recruit in the country and hasn't lived up to those expectations, and Buckeye fans that are disappointed in that are taking this opportunity to rail against him because they aren't pleased with his on-field performance.
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You are correct sir
What has he done, though, to show a sense of entitlement and thoughts that he's above reproach? I'm asking seriously; I don't follow and hang on the words of college athletes.
I suspect the real issue here (in general, not regarding any particular individual) is that Terrelle Pryor came in as the hottest recruit in the country and hasn't lived up to those expectations, and Buckeye fans that are disappointed in that are taking this opportunity to rail against him because they aren't pleased with his on-field performance.
Just read some of his tweets. About the Big 10 honors that went to others.........he acted like an immature jerk in those.
I don't follow anyone, let alone him, on twitter - the thins I've read have been in news articles.
He feels he's entitled - because of all the hype surrounding him from his "being recruited" days. Heck, just the recruitment process and the mockery he made of it. He feels he's a big star, when in reality he is an average qb.
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Yea my roommates were good friends with former buckeye players BJ sanders, and Scott McMullan. They use to always talk about the gifts the received from going to bowl games. Here is an article backing that up. http://www.businessinsidßr.com/the-8-coo...l-games-2010-12
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there's been a bunch of instances and they just all add up over time. really, the best way to see it is to catch a press conference with him. there's a reason Tressel tries to hide him from the media as much as he can.
biggest instances in the media:
His 'signing day' which he dragged out past everyone else's.
Vick eyeblack and associated comments afterwards.
His comments this season about how good he is and everyone is just jealous of how good he is if they say any negative at all about him.
Those are the biggest ones that hit the national stage, but like I said, he has had plenty more little comments, how he addresses the media. His twitter account that was shutdown, etc.
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Not condoning this but with school and football these guys don't have a lot of off time to have part time jobs like regular students so they sell off their stuff to have some spending money.
Actually they are not allowed to have part time jobs by the NCAA regualtions. There were too many abuses in the past of boosters giving athletes fictional jobs as a front to give them cash.
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They get an housing allowance if they do not stay in a dorm. Part of their scholarship is their housing costs.
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So a tattoo is worth more than the ring the school and conference gave them for a major team achievement?
Some teammates these guys turn out to be.
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