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Yeah ... so remember when we were 7-9, and some posters ..... like myself ... said that we'd win 35-40 games and probably make the playoffs .......... Wow ... from 7-9 to 8-26 ....... guess that ain't happening.  Good thing I'm not a betting man. Who was the national writer who said we'd win something like a dozen games and I lambasted him .....? I definitely owe him an apology. 
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there are reports gilbert will take bad contracts on if it means getting a high draft pick and young talent. I guess we could be players in the melo sweepstakes.
Just an opinion, but it seems like b scott and the team are underacheiving. I expected 30 wins. They're losing to some bad teams at home that they should be beating. Minnesota to name 1. Hickson has been the biggest disappointment. We are back to the ricky davis/john lucas era.
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I cannot believe how badly Hickson seems to have regressed this year. I know it's a different system .... so hopefully he'll get going .... but unfortunately it seems to me to be more of a "get your head out of your ass" type problem than anything else.
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Well its painful to watch but this is exactly what I was hoping for. Its been proven more often than not in the NBA you need a superstar type player with another all-star type player or 2 to go along with him to win a title. Being really bad and then hitting on your draft picks is the best way to get those pieces. We're seeing step 1 right now.
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I hope we can turn this crap into maybe even a couple more draft picks, and really put together a nice young team that can grow together.
Man I hate Lebron James. If not for him we wouldn't have mortgaged so much of our future trying to appease him even while he was planning on bolting. There is no way we would have taken Jamison's horrific contract if we knew he was going to run.
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I thought for sure Byron would be able to coach these guys to be better.
I feel like a bad fan though. Haven't watched a game since the Heat game, decided to pass on buying the online package, and even bought my Dad C-State tickets instead of Cavs tickets for XMAS.
This team is just falling apart at the seams. And we'll likely be stuck with Jamison's corpse until at least next February.
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Jamison has been playing great ball lately. Mo has something like 10 straight double doubles. Boobie and Andy are hurt right now. They're controlling games for three quarters and piddling leads away lately. It's frustrating to watch, because it's major underachievement. JJ has been so disappointing. They finally got rid of Jawad Williams. I hope Parker is gone soon...he's useless to such a young team.
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it's not just talent with this team, i know they aren't loaded anyways, so don't get me wrong, but it's not just about a lack of talent.
lebron leaving affected this team. and while the decision was horrible for us and even for people who weren't cavs fans, we're allowed to be flattened by it.
but those guys in that locker room? you're paid professionals. they should be doing better.
but i will stand by it, because i think them losing is what is best for the team right now. they need an influx of new young talent. it's obvious that right now when you watch this team they have no primary scorer, they have a bunch of C options. when lebron was around it was ok to not have a B option but right now they don't have that guy. doesn't mean they shouldn't be playing better.
it is what it is. i'm totally over the lebron thing, i don't even really root against the heat anymore. i'm not rooting for them but it's just off my radar. we had our night where we let him hear it from us and i have moved on.
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If JJ could produce at all on the offensive end I think their record would be significantly better than it is. They're getting 50+ out of Mo, Boobie and Antawn on most nights, but JJ struggles to get out of single digits when he should be putting up 20 a night with his size and athleticism. He really must not be very intelligent, because he's still using the excuse of not understanding his role in Coach Scott's system, a system he's been in for 6 months now. It's not as if he had some complicated system to unlearn from Mike Brown's tenure, either. The disappointing play of JJ this season simply cannot be overstated.
I also wish that Mo and Ramon Sessions weren't so small. I'd love to see them be able to start Sessions instead of Parker, and bring Boobie off the bench to score against opponents' second teams, but Mo and Sessions together for extended periods of time would be far too much of a defensive liability.
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Yeah, you'd have to play phoenix suns bball
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J/C...
Talent level aside, is their a weaker more brittle team in the league than the Cavs? Boobie is out for seemingly the 956th time in the past few years for the entire road trip... AV is about 7 minutes from his next 3 game injury... Mo probably has three sprained ankles and a fatigued shoulder as I write this.
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Trade 'em all. This is not professional basketball.
Tank the season, get in the lotto and hope for the best.
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Oh I'm pretty sure they took care of that on December 2nd.
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Oh I'm pretty sure they took care of that on December 2nd.
Yeah .... it's looking pretty tanked right about now. We're what ... 1-18 in our last 19 games, or something like that?
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I'm assuming that you didn't read this morning that Andy sprained his ankle in practice yesterday and is a gametime decision tonight?
On an unrelated note, I never thought a group of guys who had defense pounded into their heads as much as the guys who played for Mike Brown could play as poorly on the defensive end as the Cavs have this year. It's atrocious.
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outside of AV and maybe Moon, what defensive players did we keep? and Mike Brown was having problems masking all the defensive deficiencies that we kept compiling.
really, that was Ferry's biggest undoing as far as what is left on the roster. He kept making trades for guys with offense and assuming that Mike Brown could mask their defensive deficiencies. Now, Brown's gone, the best defenders are gone, and this is what we are left with.
Hopefully, we can draft Irving (PG-Duke - yeah I know about the foot), Eyenga continues to improve, we can find a SF, and Hickson gets his head out of his rear while having AV at center. That would just leave Hickson. You can mask one spot most of the time.
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Are there any Top 10 College Player sites out yet???...I haven't seen squat for rankings...Cause at this rate we're looking at Top 2 with any lottery luck...
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Are there any Top 10 College Player sites out yet???...I haven't seen squat for rankings...Cause at this rate we're looking at Top 2 with any lottery luck...
Here are some of the ones I look at:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/draft.aspx
The Bleacher Report also did an article recently on the top10 guys. Can't link to it here, but search for it and you should be able to find it (lists the players, strengths and which teams they would fit)
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outside of AV and maybe Moon, what defensive players did we keep? and Mike Brown was having problems masking all the defensive deficiencies that we kept compiling.
I'm just talking about the importance of fundamentally sound defense. Cavs are giving up 103 ppg. Last year I think it was around 90. I can't believe that LeBron and Delonte would have a 13 point swing on how many ppg they give up.
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Are there any Top 10 College Player sites out yet???...I haven't seen squat for rankings...Cause at this rate we're looking at Top 2 with any lottery luck...
Here are some of the ones I look at:
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/draft.aspx
The Bleacher Report also did an article recently on the top10 guys. Can't link to it here, but search for it and you should be able to find it (lists the players, strengths and which teams they would fit)
That's funny - can list some other sites, can mention a 'bad' site just can't provide the url. What exactly does that accomplish? lol. Not a dig at your post, just the 'rules'...
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Yeah ... so remember when we were 7-9, and some posters ..... like myself ... said that we'd win 35-40 games and probably make the playoffs ..........
I was guilty of that myself.
Now I'm in the tank the season club.
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I don't follow college bball at all, so I'm honestly asking ... is he THAT good? I mean we already have three 6'2"-and-under PGs on the roster already. Is there any consensus "gotta-have" guys this year, or is this another Michael Beasley type of weak draft year?
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Kid has played 8 college games... out of Duke's 13... Is he that good? No way to know, he might be. He is certainly good, but is he #1 lottery pick good? That's a big reach at this point.
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I don't follow college bball at all, so I'm honestly asking ... is he THAT good? I mean we already have three 6'2"-and-under PGs on the roster already. Is there any consensus "gotta-have" guys this year, or is this another Michael Beasley type of weak draft year?
sort of a weak draft. Guys like Barnes and Percy and Sullinger all have warts. No auto-star in the mix (IMO).
But, I do think Irving is that good. I hate Duke, but watched every game I could with him because he was great. He distributed, scored, was efficient and gave full effort on defense. He'll struggle on D some in the NBA because of his size, but he played for Duke like he was a Steve Nash clone.
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understood, and there's obviously more to it, but don't underestimate losing Z and Shaq too. Between the two, they could hold down the middle more, let AV take the best big man rather than whoever is C, etc.
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Not to mention excl, and this is just my opinion.... college bball is a point guard game, the NBA is a swing mans game (2, 3 or 4 position)...
Which rookies have come in and had the most success at turning around teams? LeBron, Melo, Durant.. ... not Paul, Wall, etc... they are great players, but given the choice you NEED that bigger swingman scorer more than you need a great point guard to begin your turnaround...
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the French speaking Congolese player who we have our Spanish trainer help translate for the coaches.
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I'm assuming that you didn't read this morning that Andy sprained his ankle in practice yesterday and is a gametime decision tonight?
lol, no I didn't realize that. Had to happen.
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Yep. Varejao's sprained right ankle in walking boot. He's out indefinitely. Gibson (ankle), Powe (knee) not here. Parker (back), Graham (quad) out. From Mary Schmitt Boyer.
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sort of a weak draft. Guys like Barnes and Percy and Sullinger all have warts. No auto-star in the mix (IMO).
Flippen great...
No Durant/Rose/Howard/Melo???
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I actually think having the top pick in a "weak" draft would help the Cavs and be a good thing going forward.
These players being mentioned are all solid players; they'd all - all fill a need and help the team in some way... but they wouldn't be so good (like a 23, Carmelo, Wade etc.) that they would dramatically improve the record. So in another year you'd be roughly the same team with a similar craptastic record picking at or very near the top again and you'd just have to hope the talent level is a little better in the 2012 Draft.
You're going to need at least two young studs to really turn this around in the future. Boozer was supposed to be that guy with 23 the last time but finagled the system and took advantage of an old man - hopefully that wouldn't be the case in the future.
It's going to be at least 2 drafts - 2 full seasons of crap to get better. Makes sense to me at least.
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That's just another reason why tanking to try and get the #1 lottery pick is stupid: players like a LeBron, Durant, Melo, Wade, Rose are once in a lifetime players. The teams that have made recent top 5 picks in the draft lottery? They all still suck. Clippers, Wizards, Kings, Wolves, Grizzlies...all still horrible, even though they have much-heralded lottery guys on their rosters.
Don't tell me it worked for the Bulls...they had a 1.7% chance of winning the lottery when they got the #1 pick. They already had a semblance of a team, and Derrick Rose was the guy who tied it all together. Even still, they were a #7 or #8 seed and early playoff exit the past two seasons. They'll win the Central this year, but only because the Cavs fell from grace and the Pistons, Pacers and Bucks haven't been very good for a while now.
It took the Thunder two top-5 picks (including Durant, a top-5 player in the league) and three seasons to earn a #8 seed and first round exit from the playoffs. They're currently a #4 seed this year.
Consider this: the Cavs drafted the best player in the NBA and didn't win a playoff series until his third year. Miami had Dwayne Wade and got a #2 pick in 2008 and still got bounced in the first round of the playoffs in back to back years. The bottom line is that tanking to get a top lottery pick is never a quick fix because teams that do this have decimated their rosters to the point where even a superstar can't singlehandedly turn their fortunes around. From tanking to the first season of winning a playoff series its 5 years minimum, and that's assuming that you get it right with that pick and are also able to snag a complimentary player in the following draft as well.
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What's your definition of getting better, though? I mean, winning 30 games is better than winning 15, but in the end they still both suck and you're still watching the playoffs from your couch either way.
Expect the Cavs to not win a playoff series until the 2014 playoffs, and likely another two to three years after that before they have a shot at the ECF. You gotta get a top-4 seed to make the Conference finals...since the NBA went to the eight teams per conference playoff format, a team seeded #5 or lower has made the conference finals eight times, most recently the Knicks in 1999.
I'm serious when I say that the Cavs will probably have re-signed LeBron at that point to be the guy that can help them get from a bottom 4 seed to a top 4 seed.
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First off, I don't really care either way it turns out. The NBA as a whole died for me in early July, not only due to 23 but the whole vibe of the super teams - the only reason I follow the Cavs as little as I do is because they're the Cavs... so either way I'll be alright. The Cavs/NBA are a distant 4th for me in terms of team/sport.
The team this year might get to 15 wins... might and that's pretty doubtful. I think the talent is better than that but they're weak pansies physically and weak minded so they're never together. They don't have A guy that they can bank on every night - a top pick this year does that... I think next year that could mean 10 more wins or so. Another year - a better player - and maybe another 10-15 wins. So in 2 years you might be looking at a 35-40 win team and a bottom of the playoff team... I'd consider that better.
I'm convinced unless this team gets ridiculously lucky that they'll NEVER win a Championship so in the end what does it really matter? To me, this team and that sport is what it is... just something to fill space between football and baseball.
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I'm convinced unless this team gets ridiculously lucky that they'll NEVER win a Championship so in the end what does it really matter?
That much I agree with.
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Makes you wonder, would we have championships with the roster we had over the past few seasons if you added Boozer to it?
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sort of a weak draft. Guys like Barnes and Percy and Sullinger all have warts. No auto-star in the mix (IMO).
Flippen great...
No Durant/Rose/Howard/Melo???
Perry Jones has the potential to be a taller version of Kevin Durant. He has wingman skills and he's 6'11 235 lbs. We need to use anything we possibly have (besides next years draft pick) to get him period.
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