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I'm done with teardowns and rebuilding years. I'm done with having to wait for a five year plan that never gets more than two years. I'm done with the Browns for a while. Whoever gets hired won't last more than two years anyway so why should I even care?
Maybe Holmgren is smart enough to get the team off the bottom. I sure hope so but the clock's ticking on him, too. If he doesn't produce a winner next year everyone will be calling for his head on a stick.
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Do all of those teams have stability because they win or do they win because of stability?
I think winning brings stability and continuity. Not the other way around.
However, I think that you stand a better chance of building a winner if you have stability and a uniformity of direction and purpose.
If you have 10 years of drafts where you have had an emphasis on the same type of players to fit the same type of system, you almost have to be better than the scattershot approach we have used.
I think that you can build winning by building continuity and stability. Sure you have to still have some standards, but firing people every time the team has a bad year is kinda how we are where we are now.
I do also know why Holmgren fired Mangini, and I don;t believe that it had anything to do with wins and losses as the primary factor. Mangini is a defensive coach. He plays it close to the vest. I guess that Holmgren had to see for himself whether or not he could work with a coach who has such a different approach than he does ..... and in the end, he could not.
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Am I missing an obvious alternative to this thread title? Lerner? My mom? Of course the Walrus. Help me down the road to an obvious alternative. 
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I believe we should trust Holmgren to search far and wide for the next coach.
That sounds like an unsurmountable,time consuming task.But,a quick 5 minute glance over Lamonte's client list,and presto,you've got the next messiah.
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Good grief, I am already sick of reading that agent's name.
If we are so stupid as to limit our search to an agent's client list, then I hope Lerner has the sense to fire every last jackwagon in his employ and burn the buildings in Berea to the ground.
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Good grief, I am already sick of reading that agent's name.
If we are so stupid as to limit our search to an agent's client list, then I hope Lerner has the sense to fire every last jackwagon in his employ and burn the buildings in Berea to the ground.
prpl...you have no idea if Holmgren is searching based on his agents clients list, do you?
You are still upset that Holmgren fired Mangini and now you are trying to find fault over anything you can imagine.
I could care less if Holmgren interviews candidates that are represented by his agent...must be a pretty good agent if has so many talented clients.
Honestly, the "agent" angle is not working...might want to find something else to complain about, if that is what you are into...complaining!
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Well we are already interviewing Fewell, or at least requested an interview, and he's not on the list. So I don't think the search is limited to the list.
But, I would be very surprised if it isn't Mornhinweg, Gruden, or Fox.
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It is my fault we keep referring to the list, as I keep asking if the mentioned names are on it.
It seems to be comprised of nothing but Holmgren cronies -- I don't mean that in a bad way -- but apparently not only did Holmgren coach MM in high school, LaMonte was one of his assistant coaches. Am I intmating that this list is the core of selected activity, yes. Does it mean the candidate will come from the list, no.
I am just curious if the 'subject' dude mentioned is on it, that's all.
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man...that short list really worries me.
Mornhingweg...a debacle in Detroit in concert with Millen's ineptness...deferring a coin toss in OT? I remember that it was windy and he wanted the good direction...but yikes. I dont see his work with vick as something that really makes a guy great.
...only way id be happy with Marty is if they pair him with Wade Phillips...a good offensive guy with a good defensive guy.
Gruden? He took an already good team and made them mediocre amidst a flurry of brilliant *cough cough* decisions in personnel especially at the QB position. He did do a good job with the Raiders...but i guess he left cuz of Al...would he have gotten it done like they had the year he left? idk...
John Fox...maybe the most promising of the three imo...i dont even know if thats true...theyve been so inconsistent under him its hard to get a read on him. and we lamented the slow starts that manginis teams had...Carolina started 0-3 like 4 different years under him before becoming relevant. I do like that he likes to run the ball and play stout defense though.
I just dont see any of those 3 taking us to a better position than we're already in. I cant honestly look at Gruden, Fox, or Morninghweg as saviors...or guys to even improve on what we've had here...offensively? sure...overall? no sir. i just cant see it. I'm not sure how anyone could. it doesnt make sense to me.
It seems as though...were gonna have to bring someone in that is going to sit under Holmgren's thumb and follow his every plan...that says Morningwheg or Fewell or someone who isnt a strong personality and idk...
maybe we strike with a guy like John Harbaugh or Mike Smith or Tony Sparano (briefly), or Mike Tomlin...
but...one thought i have...is why isnt Jim Harbaugh even a mention as someone we'd want...my goodness, him v. his brother twice a year and hes very good and would be able to get things done like he has at stanford.
I'm just really questioning this move. We were not improving in terms of record...at the end...yet, we won 4 in a row to get to 5-11 last year, and lost our last 4 to get to 5-11 this year...that spells improvement to me...to lose 4 in a row at the end of the year after falling out of playoff contention doesnt seem even to me. we had 4 chances to improve our record...yea we missed em but we had a plan...and just didnt have the depth to finish it. We add another draft and we have a team thats good to win for a long long time.
now we have to change philosophy so it matches our pres? a guy who doesnt have nearly as much as youd like to think with the gameday decisions...eh.
but...many of us have lamented the absentee leadership of lerner...well we got our hands on guy here now...i hope it works out, im skeptical right now though
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I'm not sure this was the wisest move either, to be honest.
I'm already fearful that two seasons from now, or maybe even a year from now, we the fans will be putting Holmgren's ass to the fire.
Frankly (and the following depends on how it all plays out, there are variable that we'll only know in time), IMO Holmgren has to have us in the playoffs by 2012 or it might be time to start questioning the President. If we go 5-11 or 6-10 next season, we may likely be questioning him by that point. Fairly or not.
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I'm not excited about ANY name that has been bandied about.
Fox? Why do people give him credit for losing this year, simply because he had a talent deficiency? (here's a clue as to what I'm thinking: Cleveland isn't laden with talent. We didn't give Mangini any leeway due to that.)
Gruden? The guy isn't a great coach.
Morninwheg? What's he done as a head coach?
Why does the nfl head coach search always seem to be a "well, he was a head coach last year, or 2 years ago - we gotta get that guy" kind of thing? It seems to me if you were a head coach in the nfl and got fired for putting out bad teams........your name gets mentioned for every opening there is.
There's probably fans in carolina, san fran, and where ever else a coach got fired saying "it's gruden or mangini man - mangini did great with the limited talent he had......."
Let's open up the search to more than the has beens and never weres.
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I just dont see any of those 3 taking us to a better position than we're already in.
Seriously? You don't see any of those guys doing better than 5-11 two years in a row? What color is the sky in your world?
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It seems as though...were gonna have to bring someone in that is going to sit under Holmgren's thumb and follow his every plan...that says Morningwheg or Fewell or someone who isnt a strong personality and idk...
Under his thumb? You make the guy sound like Hitler. He's the team president. And a very good coach in his own right. He has a right and a duty to hire the best man to coach the Browns to a championship. Just because you don't like the fact that EM got fired doesn't mean Holmgren is a doofus.
Just take a few deep breaths.....I think you may need a little more oxygen. 
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No, because he's a big fat liar liar pants on fire.
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if youre building something though. if youre working with a team that hasnt been successful you have to find consistency and smart play...that attitude and style breeds winning...we were starting to get that.
if we bring in Gruden what will we get...i think inconsistency
Fox...incredible inconsistency
Morninwheg...consistency...in badness? or goodness if hes learned from Reid?...is that something we want to hedge our bets on?
why not stick with a guy who has improved things over two years...i know...not on the W-L sheet...but everywhere else. and we were consistent.
My only gripe with mangini is he never got more out of his guys. he never seemed the kind of coach who could "bring the most out of everyone" we couldnt plug in randoms and theyd befuddlingly be good (like steve johnson in buffalo, or anyone in NE, Indy)
but...if you bring consistency...you can get it done...and good coordinator to get the most out of ur guys...
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Do we really trust Holmgren to hire a coach that is better than Mangini? if he does decide that Eric Mangini is not good enough to coach the Cleveland Browns to a successful future...i personally dont have much faith in his decision making for a head coach.
Why don't you give Randy a call and let him know how you feel? 
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I trust Holmgren based on his experience with hiring assistants.
His assistant tree is pretty big, which tells me he knows how to identify the right people for the job.
Now, he's never done it looking for a head coach, but I'm assuming the similar criteria applies.
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I wonder if we'll sign some good FAs. You know, like the ones our GM passed on this year?
We didn't go after the good FA WRs, even though we didn't have anything.
The more I think about this, the more it doesn't seem right.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I'm not sure this was the wisest move either, to be honest.
I'm already fearful that two seasons from now, or maybe even a year from now, we the fans will be putting Holmgren's ass to the fire.
Frankly (and the following depends on how it all plays out, there are variable that we'll only know in time), IMO Holmgren has to have us in the playoffs by 2012 or it might be time to start questioning the President. If we go 5-11 or 6-10 next season, we may likely be questioning him by that point. Fairly or not.
I have no fear of that happening. It is a guaranteed outcome. If the Browns lay another egg next year they'll be calling for his head on a pike. Then everyone will look for the next great name to come in and fix this awful mess. Holmgren must either win next year or rue the day he answered Lerner's phone call. I'm really hoping the team doesn't fail again next year.
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I'm not sure this was the wisest move either, to be honest.
I'm already fearful that two seasons from now, or maybe even a year from now, we the fans will be putting Holmgren's ass to the fire.
Frankly (and the following depends on how it all plays out, there are variable that we'll only know in time), IMO Holmgren has to have us in the playoffs by 2012 or it might be time to start questioning the President. If we go 5-11 or 6-10 next season, we may likely be questioning him by that point. Fairly or not.
I have no fear of that happening. It is a guaranteed outcome. If the Browns lay another egg next year they'll be calling for his head on a pike. Then everyone will look for the next great name to come in and fix this awful mess. Holmgren must either win next year or rue the day he answered Lerner's phone call. I'm really hoping the team doesn't fail again next year.
I believe the term is "the merry go round of misery"
a big part of it is the browns won't stick to a plan. at all. If Mike H lasts 3 more years i'll be impressed. Randy doesn't have the balls to stick with a plan.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!
WOE IS US!
THE END IS NEAR!
Why don't you guys just replace your post with those phrases instead. You make it seem like the fans or media fired Mangini. Mangini fired himself by being inconsistent and under-performing to his job standards.
I see no reason to expect Holmgren to screw this up. The past is the past, Holmgren and Heckert have never had the chance to pick their coach. If they are as good at picking a coach as they are at picking talent, we'll be better than fine.
Settle down and take a deep breath. It's no longer Randy Learner running around, trying to replicate the New England Patriots. There is a HOF'er at the controls now.
you had a good run Hank.
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THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!
WOE IS US!
THE END IS NEAR!
Why don't you guys just replace your post with those phrases instead. You make it seem like the fans or media fired Mangini. Mangini fired himself by being inconsistent and under-performing to his job standards.
I see no reason to expect Holmgren to screw this up. The past is the past, Holmgren and Heckert have never had the chance to pick their coach. If they are as good at picking a coach as they are at picking talent, we'll be better than fine.
Settle down and take a deep breath. It's no longer Randy Learner running around, trying to replicate the New England Patriots. There is a HOF'er at the controls now.
HOF'er? LOL. sure.
Don't take this personal, it's not meant to be.
The Browns do not stick to a plan. Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. The browns keep changing coaches and keep sucking. The browns keep flushing the roster, over and over again.
Look, Gini wasn't all world Paul Brown and BB put together. But he only got 2 years. Even Romeo got more time then that with a disaster of a GM in charge of getting his players.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!
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Why don't you guys just replace your post with those phrases instead. You make it seem like the fans or media fired Mangini. Mangini fired himself by being inconsistent and under-performing to his job standards.
I see no reason to expect Holmgren to screw this up. The past is the past, Holmgren and Heckert have never had the chance to pick their coach. If they are as good at picking a coach as they are at picking talent, we'll be better than fine.
Settle down and take a deep breath. It's no longer Randy Learner running around, trying to replicate the New England Patriots. There is a HOF'er at the controls now.
HOF'er? LOL. sure.
Don't take this personal, it's not meant to be.
The Browns do not stick to a plan. Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. The browns keep changing coaches and keep sucking. The browns keep flushing the roster, over and over again.
Look, Gini wasn't all world Paul Brown and BB put together. But he only got 2 years. Even Romeo got more time then that with a disaster of a GM in charge of getting his players.
What do you mean they don't stick to a plan?
They stuck with RAC and Savage for 4 years. Butch for...what, 4 years?
Only Palmer and Mangini got short changed on time, and I could easily argue that Mangini deserved it.
You're just simply blowing things out of proportion.
you had a good run Hank.
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Let's open up the search to more than the has beens and never weres.
Who else is there? Has beens being coaches that have a head job before. Never weres being guys who have never got a shot.
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Sky isn't falling where I am, just bringing up some fodder for debate.
One of Holmgren's 1st QB decisions was to pay Jake $7 million, that's something to think about right off the bat. Holmgren knows QBs... he's been lucky enough to coach Steve Young, Brett Favre and a solid quarterback in Hasselback. Yes.
His best move as Browns prez was maybe to hire Heckert, but on the other hand, who really knows? So far so good, draftwise, but...
six years ago I recall most of us giddy at the thought of a Phil/Romeo combination, steering us in the right direction.
Their pedigree was obvious, we thought. They would make it happen for the Browns, is what most of us were saying back in January 2005.
Six or eight weeks ago, Peter King of SI.COM was extolling the virtues of Mangini. Most of us seemed content to go into 2011 with Mangini.
Fickle.
All I'm saying is, MH is on the clock now. He's fired one coach and like another poster said, the next coach is on him.
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THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!
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Why don't you guys just replace your post with those phrases instead. You make it seem like the fans or media fired Mangini. Mangini fired himself by being inconsistent and under-performing to his job standards.
I see no reason to expect Holmgren to screw this up. The past is the past, Holmgren and Heckert have never had the chance to pick their coach. If they are as good at picking a coach as they are at picking talent, we'll be better than fine.
Settle down and take a deep breath. It's no longer Randy Learner running around, trying to replicate the New England Patriots. There is a HOF'er at the controls now.
HOF'er? LOL. sure.
Don't take this personal, it's not meant to be.
The Browns do not stick to a plan. Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. The browns keep changing coaches and keep sucking. The browns keep flushing the roster, over and over again.
Look, Gini wasn't all world Paul Brown and BB put together. But he only got 2 years. Even Romeo got more time then that with a disaster of a GM in charge of getting his players.
What do you mean they don't stick to a plan?
They stuck with RAC and Savage for 4 years. Butch for...what, 4 years?
Only Palmer and Mangini got short changed on time, and I could easily argue that Mangini deserved it.
You're just simply blowing things out of proportion.
I don't feel that I am. I don't mind you disagree, in fact I'm happy this seem to be a somewhat civil discussion. I guess we all learned from the DA/BQ wars 
We keep looking for that magic fix, that one thing that will make the browns not suck.
When I see a coaching change, I just see another year of stopgap players. Once again I see the next white night swooping in to fix the browns. Once again the browns are doing the same thing and expecting different results. That's why I LOL'ed the "HOF" comment. It's the same thing I see when the coaches get fired.
I see our best player (in my opinion) Joe Thomas who could play anywhere has his 3rd freaking head coach and is quickly entering contract time. How do you retain folks like him with this kind of churn? Can you imagine what would happen if the Browns lose him?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Only Palmer and Mangini got short changed on time, and I could easily argue that Mangini deserved it.
I don't think he did.
Look at where we were before he came in, compared to where we are now. And I'm not even talking about strictly on the football field.
This football team was a disaster. No discipline, no order, no talent.
The training rooms and locker rooms were a complete disaster and it's no wonder we had so many staph infections. They were filthy and disgusting areas according to some.
Our team had no fight and no loyalty. Mangini came in and tossed out the bad apples and instilled structure, discipline, confidence and a sense of self ownership and team mentality, not the selfishness and me first attitude that a few had here.
This team fought in pretty much every game (except the last) and with what? 3 different quarterbacks due to injury, 2 starting linebackrs on i.r, one starting CB on i.r, one starting defensive lineman on i.r, 2 rookies starting in the secondary, and just an all around banged up team all year long.
No coach in the league should have won more games under those circumstances.
Everything Mangini did for this team warranted him at-least one more year to prove his worth.
When the guy came in he said this team was a disaster and would take time to build it right. Not to build an immediate winner but to build a foundation that would stand the test of time. It's a shame he wasn't able to finish what he started because the thought of Holmgren and Heckert supplying the talent and Mangini coaching them up was a truly perfect situation in my mind. The only thing missing was a few players at key positions and an established offensive coordinator.
Mangini made some mistakes with clock management, timeout usage and getting conservative in certain situations but those are minor things that a guy can grow on with time. It always takes mistakes to learn how to do things the right way.
But as dissapointed as I am things must go on and I just hope Holmgren didn't end up firing Mangini for his own selfish reasons and ends up hiring a coach that is right for us.
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But as dissapointed as I am things must go on and I just hope Holmgren didn't end up firing Mangini for his own selfish reasons and ends up hiring a coach that is right for us.
Me too, I'm really wondering about this.
He should really STFU about coaching or go back to coaching. What good coach would come to Cleveland and have that hanging over their head?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I don't know who the coach is going to be but I do know one thing.
As much as I love Rob Ryan I want Wade Phillips as our defensive coordinator.
The guy is probably one of the best in the league at running the 3-4, everywhere he go's the defense is immediately better and the sack production sky rockets.. Theres rumors of Houston trying to hire him but I hope it doesn't happen.
And that is another thing that manages to screw us every time we make a coaching change.
We bring in a new head coach and by the time he get's his staff assembled all the good coordinators are picked over. Why can't we for once fix the staff where it needs fixed?
If our offense is terrible hire a new offensive coordinator, if our defense is bad hire a new defensive coordinator. Why must we always do a complete over-haul? It really is depressing.
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The Browns do not stick to a plan. Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. The browns keep changing coaches and keep sucking. The browns keep flushing the roster, over and over again.
Look, Gini wasn't all world Paul Brown and BB put together. But he only got 2 years. Even Romeo got more time then that with a disaster of a GM in charge of getting his players.
I might agree with this thinking if all of the coaches and players that we let go went on to do great things somewhere else. The fact is they don't. I have yet to see a coach that got fired since our return in 99 go somewhere else and prove we made a mistake by firing them. What good does it do to keep a guy if he isn't the real answer. Continuity doesn't make a winner. Winning builds continuity.
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He should really STFU about coaching or go back to coaching. What good coach would come to Cleveland and have that hanging over their head?
I don't really think that is his fault, the media aks him that crap every day. He just needs to tell them to STFU about it, he's just too nice of a guy to do it and I don['t think he wants to say he won't and then some day get the itch to do it. No sens in looking like Brett Favre and going back on your word imo.
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My guess is Wade goes to the Texans... with his family being in Houston and Houston in DESPERATE need of a defense I think it'd be a good fit...
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What good coach would come to Cleveland and have that hanging over their head?
Another point worth considering.
Which is why I am happy that Holmgren is categorically denying that he will be coaching the Browns.
you had a good run Hank.
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I don't really think that is his fault, the media aks him that crap every day. He just needs to tell them to STFU about it, he's just too nice of a guy to do it and I don['t think he wants to say he won't and then some day get the itch to do it. No sens in looking like Brett Favre and going back on your word imo.
He's in complete control of his words. The more I think about it the more worried we'll get a puppet coach. I hope it isn't true, but the constant "maybe I want to coach" BS makes me wonder.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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We might hire Gruden!!! Run for the hills he is inconsistent.
MM is being considered OMG the humanity!!!! He defered in OT a decade ago. He will never learn.
Holmgren is the antichrist!! He sacrificed Saint Gini so he could coach!!!! and and and he signed Delhomme it was a conspiracy all along.
Randy Lerner should sell the team!!!! He hired Holmgren and he likes soccer!!!
Poor Mangini!!! It wasn't his fault he couldn't beat Buffalo and Cinnci. It was the schedule and Daboll and injuries and the defense allowed them to score and the sun was in his eyes and Mercury was in retrograde and his wife was having her monthlies and his dog had gas!!!
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I kind of figure he will but it would be a perfect scenario for us to land him. I'm just a firm believer in coordinators more so than head coaches. The coordinators are ultimately who win the games for you and if you don't have good people in place then ur not going to win anything no matter how good of a coach you are (unless the head coach is calling the plays) Players play a huge part in that and no coach can be successful without good players but good coordinators can gameplan and get the most out of what they have. And as far as Phillips go's i'm also a firm believer in believeing nothing until the ink is dry on the contract. While i would say that he is probably 99% surely going to go to Houston there is still that one percent. Call me a dreamer 
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I think that the Browns fans "impressions" of coaches strengths and weaknessess are over the top.
Holmgren has a better understanding of coaches that have been on his staff, or that he has been associated with than we would ever have.
It it is a Mooch, Gruden, Morhnigweg or anyone that he has worked with, I will be fine with that. You know people better when you work with them.
It is is someone else, outside the Walsh/WCO tree, then I may be more concerned.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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Mangini was really pretty much ousted when he went 0-11 last year and Lerner brought Holmgren in. It is hard to understand why exactly Holmgren kept Mangini this year. Was it to give them all an extra year to bring in more players before putting Holmgren's choice for a HC or did Holmgren really think Mangini might be the answer? Either way, it was almost inevitable that Mangini be ousted. He would have probably had to go 8-8 or better this year to be retained. I'm not sure if dumping him was the right call. I'm really indifferent toward it. It seems like most coaches should be given 3 years to implement a system... but there were major issues with Mangini.
I guess I just don't know what to think. I'm sick of waiting till next year and the constant rebuilding... Lets just get it right this time...
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Poor Mangini!!! It wasn't his fault he couldn't beat Buffalo and Cinnci. It was the schedule and Daboll and injuries and the defense allowed them to score and the sun was in his eyes and Mercury was in retrograde and his wife was having her monthlies and his dog had gas!!!
You don't have to agree with me Mourg, you can mock me, I don't care. I am tired of rebuilds, that's all. Tired of watching fill ins while the next genius GM builds the team that will get torn apart when the next great coach comes along.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I wonder if we'll sign some good FAs. You know, like the ones our GM passed on this year?
We didn't go after the good FA WRs, even though we didn't have anything.
The more I think about this, the more it doesn't seem right.
With FO set up to support the HC and give him what he wants, to a degree of course, I'm betting Mangini lobbied hard for Robo and Mass, (his own 2nd round picks), insuring H & H that they are ready to break out. After all, he's the one who sees them every day.
That's just my guess since we've all seen them play and I'd believe H & H, especially Heckert, would know better but in the spirit of supporting the HC they went with what they had. It's my guess also because it doesn't seem right that they didn't do anything to improve the receiving corp. That had to be an influence from somewhere. EM I'm guessing.
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