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I'm one of the few on here that seems to not be absolutely in love with Ryan.. I like the guy, I think he does ok.. I am NOT of the opinion that he can't be replaced.

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this.... right here.

Decent... good, even- but not irreplacable

I'm not attached to any of them. I thought Mangini was doing alright. But the wins were not there. Ryan is ok too, but the wins are not there.

The next coach... gets a one year pass then the wins need to be there. That's how it works in Cleveland.

Holmgren made it clear that his focus is not on continuity.

Nothing, and no one, ever is.

That the "new guy" ever does better or not, is a much different story.

I didn't know anyone ever accused Tony Dungy of being a great coach...

Anyhow, I guess this thread is as good a place as any to type the following. I wasn't going to and figured i'd keep it to myself but forums are all about discussion and opinions right? The following is semi random thoughts....

Holmgren stated multiple times he would wait until the season ended before reviewing everything and making a decision. He claims he thought long and hard on it and made his decision Monday morning. How can one review everything AND think long and hard on something in between the 13 or so hours between the end of the game and when EM was fired? Tsk tsk, I thought you were honest Mike.....

Mike says his expectations were higher. How high could they have been? You saddled Mangini with an over the hill Delhomme, your crybaby stooge Seneca Wallace and a 3rd round rookie QB. All three were admittedly YOUR choices. The line between 5-11 and 8-8 came down to QB play, the QB's you handpicked. One of which, YOUR guy from Seattle went whining to the media creating a distraction.

Last year during the draft you stated you were convinced you had the right man for this job. Less than a year later you've fired him and are looking for "the right guy." Maybe it's me but if you weren't serious last offseason that is a let down. If you were serious, well, you've by your actions shown you think you've hit and missed already. That's not a big confidence booster, Mr. Holmgren.

This isn't mean to attack Mike Holmgren. I still have respect for him, just not as much as before. The more things unfold the more it seems like Mangini was somewhat set up to fail, or at least set up so as to not reach whatever expectation Holmgren had this season.

Looking through this emotionally detached I think this was a kneejerk reaction and a mistake. Here is why I say that: Coaching instability has been a huge HUGE issue with this team. Hiring the wrong guys and giving candidates a short rope. We really need some stability and not firing him right now would have brought that. We were close to having a winning season this year, real close. Mangini HAS produced winning seasons before. Look at the knock on the guy, conservative and he's not good at clock management. These things could have been taught and with a little mentoring fixed.

In my opinion maybe Holmgren should have explored other options first. Sat down with Eric and said we need to upgrade some of your assistants. We're going to get a new DC in here, a new OC, a bit better WR's coach ect and go from there. Let's start reviewing candidates and pick some to help you grow as a coach while drafting and signing you some more talent. While doing that let's work on some of your issues.

Not every coach is the same and sometimes a little guidance and help goes a long ways. I keep looking over at the Steelers, god I hate them. But they do one thing right, they give their head coaching hires the best assistants THEY find and as much guidance as needed to get these guys off and running. They did it with Cowher and they did it with Tomlin. Even though Eric is experienced he's still young and we could have worked on that with him.

Oh well, what's done is done but i'm not getting my hopes up nor excited this go around until Holmgrens guy produces. I'm certainly not excited about the guys they've reached out to, that's for sure. They read more like token interviews before he hires himself or one of his friends, not like a serious search.

In all honesty I don't think anyone believed that Holmgren was 100% sold on Mangini when he decided to go one more year. I think it was more like he didn't have anything better lined up and would like 1 year to see where the team really was.

But to say to the media "I'm going to give Eric one more year to evaluate the team before I bring in my people" wouldn't have worked so well.

A part of me has to wonder if we had lost to New Orleans and New England, but beat Cincinnati and Buffalo, if Mangini might still have his job.

I think that the fact that the Browns managed to pull off 2 such incredible upsets raised the bar to an unreasonable height. Suddenly, instead of being a bad team trying to attain respectability, they became this up and coming team that "could" beat anyone. I think that this went against Mangini in a huge way.

I do agree that Holmgren went against what he said he would do by firing Mangini the day after the season ended. There is no way he sat down and did an in depth appraisal of the season. I think, instead, that he just could not work with a coach with the coaching approach of "play it safe, play defense, and win close games", even thoguh this was the best approach to win games with the talent this team possesses.

I also think that Mangini knew his fate prior to the game against the Steelers, and that probably some members of the team did as well. Look at Mangini's statement to the press at the end of his post game press conference. That sounded to me like a man who had alrewady been told that he wasn't coming back.

In the end, it is Holmgren's job to win, and if he didn't feel that he could win with this coach at this time, then he had to make a change. He should not make it seem like he put an exhaustive evaluation process in place after the season as he had said he would though.

I tend to agree that the Buffalo and Cincy games had more to do with Mangini keeping his job or not than the New Orleans and New England games. IMHO, losing to two 2-win teams like that sealed his fate.

I'm going to back to Billick for a second. He was a fiery, involved coach and led the Ratbirds to the SB and had that giant year with the viking offense.
What happened to the guy?! Seems like he was poison after the gig in Baltimore! He's a bit cocky but I dont have an issue with that in a coach.
Most of these guys have a few stops before theyre thrown on the alter of failed coaches. He only had one.

Just seems like he'd have had a another shot by now...

I've been thinking that lately myself, Mutt. For all I know, he has been contacted over the years and has just been enjoying the time off. Seems like he'd HAVE to be sought after.

Man, listening to him talk on ESPN radio shows is ANNOYING. Sounds so much like an arrogant know-it-all.

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Seems like he was poison after the gig in Baltimore! He's a bit cocky but I dont have an issue with that in a coach.
Most of these guys have a few stops before theyre thrown on the alter of failed coaches. He only had one.

Just seems like he'd have had a another shot by now...

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Maybe he hasn't wanted one yet? I haven't heard him being interviewed... I haven't heard him considered for any college gigs... or coordinator gigs... Sounds to me like he just isn't ready to jump back in yet or hasn't seen a situation he likes yet...

In all honesty I don't think anyone believed that Holmgren was 100% sold on Mangini when he decided to go one more year.


Have you read the posts in here???? Sure U have..

But to say to the media "I'm going to give Eric one more year to evaluate the team before I bring in my people" wouldn't have worked so well.

Oh but everyone wanted Mike to be fair to EM..blah...

Everyone? ie.......the masses?



Sorry I haven't seen this major upheavel you speak of.

Were U in here when MH got here?
If not then U should have been.
I also was on other boards and read plenty of media stuff..masses wanted Mike to be fair to him.