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You can list a thousand different candidates who are all BAD and say, why don't you like ANY of these candidates, why don't you give them a chance, well

There are a thousand different candidates who can continue the screw up of this team, or even make it worse, but there are only a few who have any chance to win this division.

Either you beleive you've got someone who can win this division or you have NOTHING, you don't play to just play it.

You play to win the game, you play to win the division, You have to get someone who can win the division, you have to get someone who You Beleive is going to put you in position to win the Super Bowl.

Is it so hard to find ANYONE, SOMEONE, who knows football? There has to be somebody.

I know one thing, I wouldn't even be happy with Morniwheg as a Coordinator! let alone head coach.

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Went to lunch with my buddy,...we laughed all afternoon about kicking off after winning the OT toss,...

No way; I can't get over that one. But like you said of the others, that doesn't mean "he" CAN'T DO the job -- somebody WILL find fault with something about each,....We just have to find the right one who CAN.

If MH does put MM on staff, then I gotta get on board, and I will.

Still, I'm with ya' on MM.

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we laughed all afternoon about kicking off after winning the OT toss




Actually, kicking off really wasn't as bad an idea as everyone is making it out to be- since detroit went on to lose, it certainly was going to be questioned.

I did just a quick google search on OT and % win. Both teams will see the ball in OT 72% of the time. There was a stiff wind which was effecting the playcalls. MM took the wind and gave up the ball. He was banking on his defense getting the ball back and giving his offense the ball and the wind. Didn't work out to well. Wonder what he would do if that scenario ever came up again.

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I follow all that, and they're all good points,...but I don't want to find out.

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jc....Why is no one giving consideration to Mariucci or maybe even Zorn? Like I said in the MM thread, You really shouldn't hold a coaching stint in Detroit or Washington against anyone.


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Maybe either as a coordinator,...?

Are they on the LaMonte List ?

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jc....Why is no one giving consideration to Mariucci or maybe even Zorn? Like I said in the MM thread, You really shouldn't hold a coaching stint in Detroit or Washington against anyone.




Good question, as both are on MH's tree. I know Zorn is QB coach of the (gag) Ravens right now. I think Mooch is still doing TV stuff? Seems like Zorn's name should at least be in the conversation, whether or not you think he'd be a good candidate for the position.


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jc....Why is no one giving consideration to Mariucci or maybe even Zorn? Like I said in the MM thread, You really shouldn't hold a coaching stint in Detroit or Washington against anyone.




jfan...how do you know they are not being considered by Holmgren?


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I like Hermie, but I like his twin brother better, Tony Dungy.

That's all for me on the Rooney Rule. It stinks.

I'd just go ahead and get Gruden in here.




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They speak the same language as far as football philosophy and he would be a great coach for McCoy.

Assuming he would want to leave his cushy job in the booth to come here.

He often gets dismissed as far as being a good coach, because of the team he took over in TB, but I think he was the difference in getting that team over the hump. He is a sharp guy and he is a players coach, but by no means a soft guy and will get in a players face if he thinks he is not getting the most out of him.

I lived in the Bay area during those years and though the Browns have always been and will be my team.
I followed the Bucs quite closely and was happy to see my friends finally win a SB.

Seeing how we are speculating.....
Perry fuel (?) Edit : (Fewell) Defensive assistant coach with the Giants is said to be on the interview list and will complete the Rooney rule.

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I really believe he is the leading candidate, but those early Morhrninweg reports scared me.

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There are some issues about Gruden's availability next season. I heard that he is coaching the offensive line of his son's football team. His son will be a senior next season.

If there is some way to work around that commitment, Gruden might be a possibility.


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If I was Holmgren,I would go get Mooch. I think he'd be a great CEO-style HC for us.

However, not sure we can pry him from his cushy media gig. And not sure if he's willing to put in the hours/effort to do what we need.

Co-ordinators are just as important here too. I don't mind Childress as an OC. If we have to go 4-3, then Fox would be a fine DC choice. I'd prefer Wade Phillips as DC and keep the 3-4 (is he headed to Houston?)

I really want to keep Seely and Cox as position coaches. And I always liked Byner as a RB coach and he's available.


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I really believe he is the leading candidate, but those early Morhrninweg reports scared me.




Me too, (sorry Jar Head) but if he is the choice at least he speaks the same language as Holmgren offensively.

Fox would be the other on a short list.

But Gruden has to be the guy he has in mind if he can whoo him back to the side lines.


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Call was from Grudewn's mother, so get off her. She loves her boy and she is a sainted ma at that, Damanshot! LOL Being from Ohio has EVERYTHING to do with it. Especially if you have the Paul Brown gene and come from Massillon, Ohio.


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Call was from Grudewn's mother, so get off her. She loves her boy and she is a sainted ma at that, Damanshot! LOL Being from Ohio has EVERYTHING to do with it. Especially if you have the Paul Brown gene and come from Massillon, Ohio.




I didn't hear it was his mom,,, Are you joshing me Bard


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If we go Mornihweg, then I could see Childress at OC with an experienced DC brought in as well.

Actually, Our Carl Smith, our current QB Coach, did a pretty damn good job this year getting 3 different QBs ready to play, including a rookie 3rd round pick. If he and McCoy get along well, I wouldn't mind seeing him come back as well.

Other than that, I don't see the Browns bringing back anyone else except perhaps Brad Seely.


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I really believe he is the leading candidate, but those early Morhrninweg reports scared me.




Me too, (sorry Jar Head) but if he is the choice at least he speaks the same language as Holmgren offensively.

Fox would be the other on a short list.

But Gruden has to be the guy he has in mind if he can whoo him back to the side lines.




Well, you and I would have a reason to wish him well, if it is MM.

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I really want to keep Seely and Cox as position coaches.




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I'm okay with the Rooney Rule still.


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Umm .... outside of Rubin, what did Cox accomplish in his time here? The DL sure hasn't been any kind of strength.


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Umm .... outside of Rubin, what did Cox accomplish in his time here? The DL sure hasn't been any kind of strength.




Shaffering was a guy who also developed. our DL was OLD and the best player was out of shape and could barely walk onto the field.


We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Schaefering was replaced by Robinson as starter in the Pittsburgh game.


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Schaefering was replaced by Robinson as starter in the Pittsburgh game.




I didn't know that, I had the radio on while I was working (and weeping). Still he wasn't terrible when he wasn't starting.

Not that it matters all that much, I suspect we'll move to the 4-3 anyway.


We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I have no idea how good of a coach Bryan Cox is.


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If I was Holmgren,I would go get Mooch. I think he'd be a great CEO-style HC for us.






Mooch??? guy is and always was overrated and hasn't coached in like 7+ years...no thanks


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I really want to keep Seely and Cox as position coaches.




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Umm .... outside of Rubin, what did Cox accomplish in his time here? The DL sure hasn't been any kind of strength.




I don't blame Cox for not having the talent. He did a good job when we had all our players healthy.
Schaefering and Robinson are two guys who were forced to play a larger role then we might have envisioned this season. I am surprised the line held up as long as it did this year and Rubin has been a player who I think Brian has helped become the player he is.

That said, he will probably not be back next season, because I think any new Coach will want to pick their own assistants.


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I was referring to the people here. I sure hope Holmgren is giving them consideration.


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I really believe he is the leading candidate, but those early Morhrninweg reports scared me.




Me too, (sorry Jar Head) but if he is the choice at least he speaks the same language as Holmgren offensively.

Fox would be the other on a short list.

But Gruden has to be the guy he has in mind if he can whoo him back to the side lines.




Well, you and I would have a reason to wish him well, if it is MM.




Some are cut out to be Generals and others operations officers (assistants)

MM I think should stay an OC.

I think Mangini did some good things in his two years. He got rid of the malcontent players and taught the team first philosophy with high character players, but he was obviously not the guy who could give this team the things it lacks in the from of leadership and game management. His down fall might have a lot to due to his loyalty to Brian Daboll and sticking with him to the end.

So long Eric and best of luck.


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Schaefering was replaced by Robinson as starter in the Pittsburgh game.




Schaefering was on the injury report, probable (shoulder), and has been for a couple of weeks.


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If I were the Browns...I would not rush into anything until I see what is going on with Jeff Fisher in Tenn......Fisher always was a thorn in Pitts side......Like the Pats...Fisher led teams seemed to be Pitts Kryptonite.

I don't know if Holmgren and Fisher would mesh...but his record against Pitt would be tempting.

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When Mike Holmgren mentioned in his press conference about finding a young guy, giving him the ball and letting him roll with it, I think he might have this guy in mind. There's a lot of uncertainty with Marty Mornhinweg, so I think this guy might be a great alternative. What do you think? Is he worth a look? Here's his bio from the Rams website:

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Pat Shurmur enters his second year as offensive coordinator with the Rams. In 2009, Shumur coached running back Steven Jackson to his second Pro Bowl berth. Under Shumur, Jackson finished with the NFC rushing title after tallying 1,416 yards, the second highest total of his career. Jackson also produced 1,738 total yards from scrimmage, second-highest total in the NFC. He rushed for 100 yards in a careerhigh seven games.

Shurmur joined the Rams after seven seasons as quarterbacks coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb earned three of his five Pro Bowl berths during Shurmur’s tenure. McNabb finished among the top 10 in the NFL in attempts (571, fourth), completions (345, fifth), yards (3,916, seventh) and touchdowns (23, eighth) in 2008. His 345 completions and 3,916 passing yards set Eagles single-season records.

In 2004, Shurmur guided McNabb to the most productive season of his career, in which McNabb established franchise records in passer rating (104.7) and completion percentage (64.0). McNabb also became the first quarterback in NFL history to have a season with 30-plus touchdown passes (31) and fewer than 10 interceptions (eight).

In 2002, in Shurmur’s first season as quarterbacks coach, McNabb and quarterback Koy Detmer suffered injuries late in the season. Shurmur turned to No. 3 quarterback A.J. Feeley, who had not started a game in three years, since his junior season at Oregon. The Eagles went 4-1, won the NFC East and advanced to the NFC Championship game. Shurmur faced another quarterback injury in 2006, when McNabb sustained a knee injury, and backup Jeff Garcia took the helm. Garcia closed the regular season with a 5-1 record and led the Eagles into the second round of the playoffs. Shurmur came to the Eagles in 1999 as tight ends coach. Eagles tight end Chad Lewis earned three consecutive Pro Bowl invitations from 1999-2001.

Shurmur spent the 1998 season at Stanford University as offensive line coach. The Cardinal offensive line allowed the fewest sacks per pass attempt in the Pac-10 and, in the process, helped first-year quarterback Todd Husak become only the third quarterback in Stanford history to throw for more 3,000 yards.

Pat coached tight ends, special teams, and assisted with the offensive line at Michigan State from 1990-97. Shurmur pupils Ty Hallock, Duane Young and Mitch Lyons went on to play tight end in the NFL and kick returner Derrick Mason established a schoolrecord 2,575 career return yards.

Shurmur played guard and linebacker as a freshman and started at center the next three seasons, earning four letters and All- Big Ten conference honors and All-America honorable mention in 1987 at Michigan State. Shurmur co-captained a Spartans squad that defeated USC in the Rose Bowl. He earned a master’s degree in financial administration and was the first graduate student football player at the university.

A product of Divine Child High School in Dearborn, Mich., Shurmur comes from a football background. His uncle, the late Fritz Shurmur, coached for the Rams from 1982- 90 and served as the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator from 1994-98 and helped that club win two NFC Championships and Super Bowl XXXI against the New England Patriots.

Pat and his wife Jennifer, have four children, daughters Allyson, Erica and Claire, and son Kyle.

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If I were the Browns I'd do everything possible to get EM hired by Carolina.Then trade all those ex Jets along with Mssrs. St Clair and Royal for a shot at our franchise QB.
What? It could happen.

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If I were the Browns I'd do everything possible to get EM hired by Carolina.Then trade all those ex Jets along with Mssrs. St Clair and Royal for a shot at our franchise QB.
What? It could happen.




Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman, David Bowens, Eric Barton, Chancey Stuckey, Jason Trusnik, and Ray Ventrone for the #1 Overall pick.

I'd do it.

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Could be a option.

The Philly connection fits in with Heckert who would have a opinion of his abilities.


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Pat Shurmur...not enough NFL experience...


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Seven years with Philly and two with St. Louis. I wouldn't say 9 years is a lack of experience.


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Again, I want a leader. I want a leader who will hire good coordinators and good position coaches, and who will let them do their jobs. I want a leader who will set the agenda and expectations, and who will follow up with his subordinate coaches. I want a leader who will enforce discipline, and who will help develop a team first environment.

I don't care if the guy has been in the league for 3 years or 30 years. Hell, how long was Tomlin in the league? How long was he a coordinator? Oh yeah ... he was a coordinator for 1 year.

Hopefully we hire a moderately young coach who can be around for a while.

Finally, I hope we can allow the new head coach time to develop.


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