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One, is Holmgren getting the top gig, so he can eventually fire the current coach, and install himself as head coach. Just wreaks of micromanagement, and would raise huge red flags in just about any other business ... Plus it hardly EVER works when one guy is calling all the shots on a football team. Heck, it didn't work the first time Holmgren did it.
Just listening to MH and he's been pretty straight so far even with some blunders,while he has that coaching mentality in him,itr didn't sound like the passion/desire/commitment is not there at this time.
Fisher watch is on for me.
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We're interviewing Mike Mularkey . . . http://tinyurl.com/2exl9rm
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We're interviewing Mike Mularkey . . .
He definitely has been in charge of some good offenses.
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Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports Mularkey will also interview with the Browns.
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On Sunday, the Eagles will host the Packers in the wild-card round. But on Monday, a head-coaching job in Cleveland became available. And Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg is regarded as one of the top candidates.
For now, though, it’s not on his mind.
“There’s no other way to do it — you have to have all your focus on this football game. That’s what we expect of all the coaches and all the players,” Mornhinweg
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Does he expect to get interviewed? “We’ll see,” Mornhinweg said.
Under league rules, assistant coaches from teams with bye weeks may be interviewed this week. Assistants from teams that play in the wild-card round may be interviewed next week, with the consent of their current employer. (Falcons coach and former Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike Smith, for example, interviewed for the job after the Jaguars won a wild-card game against the Steelers after the 2007 season.)
Mornhinweg won five of 32 games in two seasons with the Lions. Apparently, Browns president Mike Holmgren is willing to consider the “Millen factor” when it comes to assessing Mornhinweg’s performance.
Or maybe Holmgren just wants a coach who’ll win the toss in overtime and choose to kick.
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Okay, as Arch pointed out, my initial response to this thread was meant to be tongue in cheek, but I see you're very serious, so I'll answer in kind. Quote:
Let me be a little more direct...since candidates that LaMonte represents, do not meet "your" standard of "qualified" candidates...tell us what "agent" you prefer?
I have no agent preference. I only prefer that coach representation not play a part in coach selection.
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After you tell us what "agent" you prefer, then tell us the coaching candidate you believe is best qualified to be HC of the Browns.
I'm not sure who I would consider best qualified at this point, because so much is hit or miss, and success depends on a multitude of circumstances. Talent level, assistants, drafts, FO, schedule, continuity, time in place, etc. The year Whisenhut had is an interesting example of "you never know", as is Fisher's, Phillips', Shannahan's, Fox', Singletary's & Lewis'.
The best qualified candidate, IMO, is the guy that can ultimately get the job done. Unfortunately, because of our particular situation, I think that will drastically limit the field. I don't think Cowher would take the job, and I'm not in love with him as a choice, but he might be one of the best candidates for the Browns HC job. I feel the same way about Coughlin, but he might be another. It's going to take someone who can, 1) motivate staff & players, 2) recognize and utilize coaching and player talent, 3) brook no nonsense, 4) speak his mind, 5) win games and win within the division, and 6) (and this may not seem important, but IMO is,) tell the press to go stuff themselves when he doesn't make himself available 4-5 times a week to answer stupid questions and dissect his decisions.
I think it's going to be eminently difficult to find someone with all these qualities, and the freedom to act on them, especially if he is "beholden" to the FO for his job.
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Also, could you tell us how you are going to know how wide of a net (search) Holmgren makes?
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If MH does not pick the person you want, are you going to cry that Holmgren did not cast a wide enough net?
Not if he actually does a descent job recruiting, and does what he says he's going to do by searching outside his tree, regardless of affiliations. But if he doesn't, and I do, are you gonna be a dick about it?
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The truth is, you have not a clue how wide of a search Holmgren is going to make. You have no way of knowing unless MH invites you to set with him until the search is complete..not likely.
You're wrong, like I said, he told the press he would release the names after the interviews.
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But will that stop you from raising hell about the subject of how wide the search was?...not likely. Regardless of how wide the search is, you are going to complain...write it down folks.
So, I guess this means you will be dick about it.
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Cal, I know you have an agenda!
That's a word that is often bandied about on the board, but here's the actual definition:
a·gen·da Spelled [uh-jen-duh] –noun, formally a plural of agendum, but usually used as a singular with plural -das or -da. A list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.: The chairman says we have a lengthy agenda this afternoon.
I don't have a list, a plan, or an outline of things to get done, so you can put that tired and overused nonsense away for later use with someone else if you want.
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You're a Mangini lover and you are pissed that Holmgren fired him. Now you are trying to think up silly crap to criticize Holmgren over...(such as which agent represents the next HC). You care more about who is coaching the Browns than you do about "WINNING".
I liked the direction the team was heading. It didn't show up in wins this season, which is really unfortunate, (and ultimately cost the man his job,) and I do not think it was the right decision at this point in time. I would have liked to see another year, with more talent, a more stable QB situation, an improved WR corp, a new OC, and with upgrades along both lines. I believe it's was a mistake to pull the plug after demanding an improved W-L record while ignoring improved performance given the the QB situation, sub-par talent level, turnovers that actually cost us the number of games it may have taken to save the job. But, it's over and there's nothing to be done about it but move on.
Holmgren isn't blame free in all this. He brought in Delhomme (knowing his penchant for INTs) and Wallace. He (and Heckert) went with the WR's we had. And he insisted on improved performance in light of sub-par talent, and an exceedingly difficult schedule. But Holmgren kept his job, so if I question his methods and motive's, that's my right. He says he want's a championship team, and he says he's doing everything for the good of the team, the town, the organization and the fans, and maybe in his heart he actually believes that. But he's made some suspect decisions in the past, and he's made some here, so pardon me if I don't kiss his ass well enough for some of you.
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Listen, Mangini deserved to be fired...he was given a chance and blew it. I suggest you blame Mangini and his coaching staff and stop the silly act of going after Holmgren for doing what he should have done last year.
An argument can also be made that he deserved another year. An argument can be made that an new OC is what was needed, but we'll never know. I'm not going after Holmgren for firing Mangini, like I said, what's done is done, so we move on. If you can't tell that and you're so upset by my posts, just skip them, that's okay.
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Immature, crying and complaining about silly things like who the agent is of the individual Holmgren chooses or how wide the search is...that stuff is just a front to "your agenda" which you have already posted.
I've already addressed this, and defined agenda for you. Perhaps you can take a second look.
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You now hate Holmgren and anything he does...because he fired Mangini. You will post, complaining about anything and everything Holmgren does, regardless of what it is. If the team loses, you blame Holmgren and claim we should have kept Mangini.
I don't hate Holmgren, and for the most part, I think he's good for the organization, and believe (I hope) that he will ultimately prove competent in his role as president. I hope he makes a good decision and hires a great, not good, but great coach. I'm sure he want's to. I'm sure he realizes his job and reputation depend on it.
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You could just stop this silly little game...I hope you do...you are good board member. But if you want to continue your agenda, expect to be called out.
I appreciate the compliment, but I'll continue to post what ever strikes me, be it silly or otherwise, and I expect to be called out every now and again, because that's what we do here. I'll not be worshipping Holmgren, nor crowning him "Savior of the Franchise", until he actually does something that shows up in more that a coaching, QB & personnel carousel.
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Maybe you should see where Mangini goes next and become a fan of that team... ...or a better idea, IMO, would be to lose the agenda here and try supporting the team you claim to a fan of...the Cleveland Browns?
We've covered agenda. Beyond that, I'm a fan, and I really don't care if you question that or not, because I know you are too, and only a Cleveland Browns fan knows in their heart how they feel about this team, about the suffering and the excitement, the moments, the history, the heartache. So if my reaction to recent events doesn't suit you, or if my questioning of Holmgren's method's and agenda, (see, he actually has one,) upsets you, then that's too bad. It's an open forum, and we all get to express our thoughts and feeling here. I can't stand certain poster's posts, but I'll defend to the end their right to post them. If you don't agree with me, that's perfectly fine, but that doesn't make me any less of a fan, any less mature, or any more silly than you are. BTW, I think you're a good board member too.
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He could also go a completely unforeseen route and promote Brad Seely to Head Coach, and add a very experienced OC and DC. He's 54, and is an innovative and creative special teams coach, who has never been afraid to demand accountability from his units, and who has never been afraid to take a chance. From everything I have read, he is a firey guy without being an ass. He is a motivator. He's my dark horse
Ohhh,, hadn't given him an ounce of consideration...
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NFLSeely made the jump to the professional level in 1989, working as the tight ends and special teams coach for the Indianapolis Colts through 1993. He then spent the 1994 season with the New York Jets as their special teams coach. In 1995, Seely began a 4-year stint with the Carolina Panthers also as their special teams coach, winning the NFL Special Teams Coach of the Year Award in 1996. He joined the Patriots on January 27, 1999. Following 10 seasons with the Patriots as their special teams coach under Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick, Seely joined former Patriots assistant Eric Mangini's coaching staff in Cleveland as their assistant head coach and special teams coach in 2009.
We could do worse and almost everyone on here would have to agree, he's done a good job with ST's for the Browns and with the Pats...
At 54 years old, he's seasoned but not over the hill..
Interesting thought Ytown.
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so so far it looks as if we are bringing in someone who is a coordinator at the moment..
no reports of Gruden? I want Gruden unless Fisher comes available. If we hire a coordinator, I could care less who it is..
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so so far it looks as if we are bringing in someone who is a coordinator at the moment..
no reports of Gruden? I want Gruden unless Fisher comes available. If we hire a coordinator, I could care less who it is..
The reason why there's no reports of Gruden right now is probably because Holmgren doesn't have to request permission to interview him so there's little chance of a leak unless Gruden himself wants to leak it (which makes no sense). Most of these names being leaked right now are probably the doing of organizational sources or people in the coach's camp who want to get his name out there as a head coach candidate.
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I don't think you have much to worry about. I listened to Holmy's presser yesterday, and he was asked the coaching question about 8 or 9 times, in 8 or 9 different ways. You could see the frustration on his face as he repeatedly said he will not be considering the HC spot in Cleveland. He said he wanted to do the job Lerner hired him to do, and the next step of that job is to work with Heckert to find the next coach.
The LaMonte thing: I'm not too worried about that, either. While it MAY end up being a factor, I also heard him say that they'd search EVERY viable candidate- even college prospects. If a LaMonte client ends up here, it won't necessarily be nepotism- it might just be the best choice.
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Mike Mularkey deserves more credit for designing the Crayons and Safety Scissors offense for Kordell Stewart than he does coaching up Matt Ryan in Atlanta.
He was a disaster in Buffalo, but when your QB's are Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman, you don't really have much of a choice.
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James Walker, who covers the AFC North for ESPN, just said on the radio that he seriously doubts Gruden is coming.
I say Lerner can offer him a blank check and change his mind. . . .
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For some reason, I'm rooting for Jim Harbaugh, and I really don't have any logic to back it up.
Though he did go to Michigan, so no Cleveland fan would ever give him a chance.
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I wouldn't argue w/ a Harbaugh hiring.
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I'm not sure why Jim would want to come here though.... 1. Coaching in his brothers AFCN shadow wouldn't be fun 2. We kinda stink 3. 49ers (already on the west coast, the GM and him share the same agent) 4. Panthers (would get to coach Luck again) If he leaves Stanford, I have him going to Carolina or the 49ers. Heck, I'd have him going to Michigan before coming to Cleveland...and Michigan is a trainwreck! More on him here... http://nfl-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/26839064
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Yeah, I could see exactly what you're saying. I just like the idea of hiring him. But, like I said, I don't really have a reason.
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I have heard that Michigan ((Rich Rod officiall fired today, by the way)) has done something to burn a bridge and Harbaugh won't consider the job now. No, I don't have a link to any of this. If my brother was already in the NFL, I'd love to coach against him twice a year. And we interview Rams OC, Pat Shurmur on Thursday . . . http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_to_interview.html
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Whoever the coach is, Tom Heckert will make him look like a genius.
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I fear that people will be against Shurmur (if hired) just because they don't know who he is.
Shurmur's agent...do I need to say?
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If I were the Browns...I would not rush into anything until I see what is going on with Jeff Fisher in Tenn......Fisher always was a thorn in Pitts side......Like the Pats...Fisher led teams seemed to be Pitts Kryptonite.
I don't know if Holmgren and Fisher would mesh...but his record against Pitt would be tempting. HACK
This ain't just about finding someone to beat The Yinzers though. While it IS an excellent concept,...I would as soon lose both Steeler games and go 14-2 -- a talent I believe Fisher could bring anyway. More than that would be a bonus.
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I fear that people will be against Shurmur (if hired) just because they don't know who he is.
That's one reason I'm for him. I don't want the big name. Usually the people we've never heard of work out.
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I hope whomever he hires he gets someone who can be a head coach and not someone who just runs a particular style of offense.
This is exactly how a lot of the talking heads have been describing Harbaugh. He plays to his teams' strengths at the moment.
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On that note, my darkhorse guys
1. Brad Seely (thanks Ytown, I'm stealing your idea) - as long as you get him good, experienced co-ordinators. Why not? He has been a fine coach and is awfully firey. He's 54 and has been around for awhile (he coached OL at OkieState when Barry Sanders was there), but he's young enough and has demonstrated leadership attributes.
2. Vic Fangio - Stanford's DC. I'd prefer Harbaugh, but that likely isn't happening. Fangio was Dom Capers stand-by DC in Carolina and Houston before moving onto Baltimore and now Stanford. Well respected, and a good leader (things a HC needs).
3. Rich Rodriguez - just kidding. just kidding. subtle hint though to Harbaugh firing him the day after the Orange Bowl though.
4. Joe Philbin - OC for GB the last 4 years. He has been OL and OC virtually his whole career and would be a great under the radar hire. 49 yrs old.
5. Hue Jackson - he made the Raiders a decent to good offensive team this year despite being forced to swap between Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell at QB. Great OL play and their RBs doing everything. Sounds like he'd be a good fit here. Another guy that just seems like a good leader.
6. Pat Shurmur - ST. L Rams OC - lost Avery, Clayton, Amendola, and a bunch of other WRs and cobbled together enough WRs for Bradford to have a good year and miss the playoffs by just 1 game. Bradford gets the lions-share of the credit, but Shurmur should be receiving some there too (Spags is a defensive guy as HC there).
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I hope whomever he hires he gets someone who can be a head coach and not someone who just runs a particular style of offense.
This is exactly how a lot of the talking heads have been describing Harbaugh. He plays to his teams' strengths at the moment.
(Sorry to go off topic -- did you see the formational whack-o-ness he had those kids pulling last night ? I thought it was cool.)
I think Harbaugh can become a dangerous offensive NFL coach. The league could use some creativity, let alone the Browns.
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Whoever they hire will cause this site to go off in amillion different directions!!!!
Cause we all get along so well normally.
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James Walker, who covers the AFC North for ESPN, just said on the radio that he seriously doubts Gruden is coming.
I say Lerner can offer him a blank check and change his mind. . . .
And I hope that no amount of money is enough.
I suspect that it won't be, because he wouldn't be walking into a ready made team.
Now if the 10 win Giants had created an opening .... or maybe even the NFC South where the competition is pathetic ........ then maybe he'd go ..... but not here ..... not with the work that needs done, and not with a pair of 11 win, potential Super Bowl teams in the division.
He's comfy at ESPN, and frankly, ESPN kinda suits him.
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Apparently Rams fans are not too fond of Pat Shurmur. Here is a Rams thread titled "Fire Shurmur" there is also another one called, "Should We Fire Shurmur". Most are against firing him because they don't want to change Bradford's coordinator in his 2nd year. But most agree he is not very good.
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The Falcons, Saints, Bucs and Panthers are pathetic? Yea, the Panthers are but the other 3 are pretty good... or did you mean West?
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The Falcons, Saints, Bucs and Panthers are pathetic? Yea, the Panthers are but the other 3 are pretty good... or did you mean West?
Probably meant West. Again....he and the 49ers GM have the same agent, they'll be getting a high pick in the upcoming draft, he already lives on the West Coast....seems like a perfect fit.
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Yeah, but if someone read this board, they'd all be convinced that Rob Ryan is the love child of Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry.
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