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He also said Morningweg ... or whatever his name is ... was the favorite last week.
I'm sure the guy had a good interview, but when you're the the first you always look good because there's no one else to compare to.
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I'm sure the guy had a good interview, but when you're the the first you always look good because there's no one else to compare to.
True.
Still, I can hear the "We'll accept nothing less than "Holgrem" as head coach, Gruden as offensive coordinator and Cowher as defensive coordinator!" crowd screaming.
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Maybe if Holmgren gets bashed enough he will be fired and Lerner will see the evil that Holmgren has brought to the Browns and then he will bring back Saint Mangini. lol
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I'm sure the guy had a good interview, but when you're the the first you always look good because there's no one else to compare to.
True.
Still, I can hear the "We'll accept nothing less than "Holgrem" as head coach, Gruden as offensive coordinator and Cowher as defensive coordinator!" crowd screaming.
I can't for one second believe that there is even one person on this board that thinks that's even remotely possible.. So I doubt you hear any screaming from anyone
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Thought I saw Wade P was hired as a DC, I think, already. Am I wrong? Did it fall through or sumpin? 
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I'm sure the guy had a good interview, but when you're the the first you always look good because there's no one else to compare to.
True.
Still, I can hear the "We'll accept nothing less than "Holgrem" as head coach, Gruden as offensive coordinator and Cowher as defensive coordinator!" crowd screaming.
I can't for one second believe that there is even one person on this board that thinks that's even remotely possible.. So I doubt you hear any screaming from anyone
That's not my point. I was making a generalization that the mob shouldn't be making our football decisions. We're so used to getting our way it's almost disgusting.
My point is we need to be taught a lesson: it's not the "sexiest candidate" who is most qualified for this job. The fan vote has gotten us Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn, Phil Savage to remain over John Collins, Romeo Crennel, Butch Davis, tried to run Coach Mangini out of town the moment he was hired, a meeting with Dawg Pound Mike and more.
We need to stop and let the football people make the football decisions and support them completely.
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You're not wrong.
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I was making a generalization that the mob shouldn't be making our football decisions. We're so used to getting our way it's almost disgusting.
If you have the time and inclination I'd like to see you put that together because I haven't seen it, even as obvious and disgusting as you say it is.
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Butch was doing good in Miami. I think before he came to Cleveland, Miami lost only one game that season. And in just his first year in Cleveland, almost got them in the playoffs. Missed it by one game, and then made the playoffs in his second year.
Get the right offensive coordinator in here, and defensive coordinator (or keep Ryan), and I could care less who the head coach is. The head coach is really only there to make game time decisions like calling timeouts, and challenging plays on the field. Totally not rocket science, but lapses do occur for sure.
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Texans hired him... that was a no-brainer for both sides.
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I don't know that he lied Morg but I understand where he's coming from.
I feel like if we're going to try an unknown, we should have stuck with Mangini.
I know this makes little sense, but Holmgren has set expectations high. He has said he wants to bring in a young guy... given. BUT He also said he wants to bring in someone who WILL take us to the Super Bowl.
So regardless of how he finds this person, I expect a Super Bowl. When I see talk of these unknowns I feel like I've had smoke blown up my arse.
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I'm not sure what you mean I was just commenting on Morg's post above. I'm not pimping anybody, or saying anything one way or the other about what Holmgren can or can't do.
I'm going to wait and see... that's all.
I just want the Browns to win.
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no.. i was just commenting b/c i didnt know he was looking for a "young" coach. So i'm just thinking to myself, wow.. you (Holmgren) thinks he can do it all.
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I wonder if they have a spy watching the entrance to see who goes in and out,....
LOL If I were a news orgainzation in Cleveland, I'd have a van stationed outside the HQ in Berea with cameras rolling around the clock...
Same with Holmgrens place....
The Mularkey interview was in Atlanta.
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LOL If I were a news orgainzation in Cleveland, I'd have a van stationed outside the HQ in Berea with cameras rolling around the clock...
Same with Holmgrens place....
The Mularkey interview was in Atlanta.
Yeah and if I had a van in front of Holmgrens place,,I'd follow him to the airport and find out where his plane was heading 
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What happened to all the posters that wanted a proven NFL coach now we are suppose to settle for this crap?
Mike doesn't have a prayor of getting a good NFL coach, because nobody wants to be his puppet we are screwed....
On a good note Mike will be gone as soon as the fans figure out he lied to them and we can't get good help with him standing over someone........Great
The above is my nomination for the dumbest post of the decade. Wow!!
I sincerely hope you were drunk when you wrote it.
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I was making a generalization that the mob shouldn't be making our football decisions. We're so used to getting our way it's almost disgusting.
If you have the time and inclination I'd like to see you put that together because I haven't seen it, even as obvious and disgusting as you say it is.
-Butch Davis
-Phil Savage and Romeo Crennel
-The firing of John Collins instead of Phil Savage, even though Collins (a career NFL guy) knew Savage was inept as a GM.
-Charlie Frye starting
-Brady Quinn starting
Those were all things the fans wanted and eventually got their wish.
Ironically, fans didn't want Colt McCoy playing this year and it turned out well. Go figure.
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NOT saying we should get him or if he'd be any good, but any thoughts on Brian Schottenheimer?
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I was making a generalization that the mob shouldn't be making our football decisions. We're so used to getting our way it's almost disgusting.
If you have the time and inclination I'd like to see you put that together because I haven't seen it, even as obvious and disgusting as you say it is.
-Butch Davis
-Phil Savage and Romeo Crennel
-The firing of John Collins instead of Phil Savage, even though Collins (a career NFL guy) knew Savage was inept as a GM.
-Charlie Frye starting
-Brady Quinn starting
Those were all things the fans wanted and eventually got their wish.
Ironically, fans didn't want Colt McCoy playing this year and it turned out well. Go figure.
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Am I a fan? Yes.
I've come to learn not to think with my fandom and think with logic.
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-Phil Savage and Romeo Crennel
-The firing of John Collins instead of Phil Savage, even though Collins (a career NFL guy) knew Savage was inept as a GM.
-Charlie Frye starting
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Butch Davis- Did the fans get what they wanted when he was hired or when he left?
Firing of Savage and RAC- Maybe, but a gang of fans are going to want a head coach fired every year. Every year.
John Collins- I sure get that one. Fans did play a role in that.
Charlie Frye starting- not sure what this means. Fans often want the young QB to start. Sooner or later it's going to happen.
Brady Quinn- Ditto above. Did the fans get what they wanted when he didn't start or when he eventually did? Fans wanted him for a whole season and it never happened. But again, sooner or later it was going to happen.
I don't think these were very good examples for your statement that the fans get what they want so often it's disgusting.
In life there will be a lot of things we want that are completely out of our control. Some of them will happen, of course, but not because of something we did or didn't do. I think you were inferring that the fans have gotten what they wanted by virtue of some power the fans possess. Maybe you didn't mean that. But if so, I think you should reconsider that opinion.
With the exception of the Collins firing - which did encompass an unprecedented fan backlash in Savage's favor, (much like the backlash of Modell moving the Browns which failed by proof that they are here in Cleveland), the fans have no power or even influence in any other of those decisions you mention.
I know, regarding this team, that I've gotten what I wanted on several occasions. But I'm not about to confuse that with anything I've done to make it happen.
If you spin the wheel and the wheel is half yes and half no then there's a 50% chance of getting the answer you want. What of the things the fans wanted and didn't get? There is certainly a long list of those items. But it's not nearly as interesting to look at and compile that list as it serves no purpose. This list, yours, serves a purpose. Or attempts to serve a purpose. Perhaps to strengthen a stance or opinion of some sort. Regardless, I feel it is a weak point in whatever argument you are making.
Just as a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in a while, things will go in the majority of the fans opinions sometimes simply because it's the right thing to do, with or without the fans blessings and certainly not because of them. The fans themselves play no part in the decision making.
You can maintain that if it's your opinion of course, but I find it a point of contention more than an accurate observation.
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I was making a generalization that the mob shouldn't be making our football decisions. We're so used to getting our way it's almost disgusting.
If you have the time and inclination I'd like to see you put that together because I haven't seen it, even as obvious and disgusting as you say it is.
-Butch Davis
-Phil Savage and Romeo Crennel
-The firing of John Collins instead of Phil Savage, even though Collins (a career NFL guy) knew Savage was inept as a GM.
-Charlie Frye starting
-Brady Quinn starting
Those were all things the fans wanted and eventually got their wish.
Ironically, fans didn't want Colt McCoy playing this year and it turned out well. Go figure.
-Butch Davis - I was one of the few Butch supporters
-Phil Savage, Romeo - Phil fan , anti Romeo. I believe Savage should've been given a shot to hire his own guy. Instead of Romeo, who was hired before him. Sure Phil had some bad drafts but really he put some of the better talent on the field offensively of the new era.
-John Collins- You're kidding me right? Where has this guy resurfaced? What is this guy doing now to help improve a team.
-Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. who cares?
Stop with the mob stuff, your grasping at straws. Ownership really gives less of a damn what we think, and rightfully so.
Seriously, do you really think ownership has read any of my 3,000 posts?
Lets be realistic here, ownership is going to do their thing and not give a two flush corn log what I think. It's reality bro, you should give it a try once.
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Am I a fan? Yes.
I've come to learn not to think with my fandom and think with logic.
When did that start?
I believe with the exception of Butch getting fired (and possibly Frye originally getting the job) you were guilty of all of these. It isn't that you just agreed with the other fans you were constantly posting and slamming these players coaches.
I will give you credit for not jumping on the fire Mangini bandwagon (I'm not saying firing him was right or wrong) and having an opinion on who you want as the new coach. From your reply to me it sure sounds like you are not letting your emotions dictate your thinking.
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Am I a fan? Yes.
I've come to learn not to think with my fandom and think with logic.
When did that start?
My views aren't allowed to change as I grow older and wiser?
It actually started around the time Mangini was hired and the mob wanted him fired from day one. There was zero patience and I got fed up with it, especially when the team galvanized at the end of '09.
I think now more than ever Browns Fan needs to be taught a lesson, the same lesson the Rooneys teach Steeler Fan: It's not about the people's choice. It's not about "appeasing or exciting the fans." People who want "Holgrem" (I say that because it's a demonstration of how utterly clueless some of theses fans are...they can't even pronounce Holmgren's name right!) or Gruden (who took Dungy's team and then had them stuck in neutral post-Superbowl) are blinded by the rings and aren't grounded in football logic.
Holmgren isn't committed 100% to putting in the hours necessary to win. That's a major concern to me. Gruden's mediocrity with the Bucs concerns me too. John Fox is more Mangini than Holmgren in philosophy.
We've seen coaches come out of nowhere (Raheem Morris, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Mike Smith) and have great success. They weren't the sexy choice but they were the right choice. It's time for us to get the RIGHT guy and for the fans to just lay back and accept it.
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I just hope that the next guy is the right guy .... because I do think that we just dumped a guy who could have been the right guy. I'm tired of watching this team fumble the rebuilding ball time after time after time after time ...... I hope that Holmgren knows what he's doing, and that he gets this right. I am sick and tired of watching teams in our own division win Super Bowls, while we struggle for a pair of winnng seasons in the past decade. Hell, in the past 20 years we have had 3 winning seasons. Now, we did lose a few years to the idiot who stole the team ... but regardless, we should somehow be better than that even by accident. IIRC, 1991 was the last time we won the division. We keeo changing coaches ..... and directions ..... and schemes ....... and defenses ..... and offenses ...... and players ...... and coaches ........ and the wheel never stops spinning ..... but for us it's spinning out of control. I hope to God that we pick a direction, choose a philosophy, and stick with it. If we do wind up having to change coaches ... well, this is what we run, and this is who the Cleveland Browns are. I am sick to death of "who" the Cleveland Browns are changing every few years. I am tired of having no clue what the people in charge are trying to build. I am sick of watching drafted players fade into obscurity within a few years ...... I hope that Holmgren comes up with a leader, and a winner .... because I am really sick of watching this team that I love flounder year after year after year after year after year after year ....... 
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I'm just going to say that you're shorting Earl Thomas. His coverage capabilities and big play potential with his wide coverage skills as far as range goes are much more valuable. TJ is a beast. I love his tenacity and physicality but in coverage he's a solid bit behind him. Regardless, as far as draft slotting and value I can never complete with a TJ Ward.
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It actually started around the time Mangini was hired and the mob wanted him fired from day one. There was zero patience and I got fed up with it, especially when the team galvanized at the end of '09.
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Really? Did he tell you this? His wife tell you this? Lerner? Grossi? Where did you form this opinion from? It's okay if that's what you feel to be true for some reason but what compelled you to feel this way?
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Not the hours required of the head coach which can start at 4am and end at 11pm. If you took that and transferred it to mean he isn't committed to putting in the hours required of the team President it is a real stretch of transference.
Still, he could change his mind, if he wants, and become the coach if he wants. I'm sure that if he did change his mind about coaching it will be after carefully considering the time requirement and deciding he is willing to commit.
In my opinion this got twisted badly.
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Certainly your views are allowed to modify as you grow older. But I always cast a wary glance when someone (especially someone who hasn't hit 25 yet) tells me they are wiser. Makes it sound like you think you're smarter than whoever you're talking with. Be careful.....you're probably not.
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This is the one that kills me. I wish the "swear" filter was turned off for a few minutes so I could say what I really think. But this should be close.....Who the hell do you think you are? You have absolutely no clue. and if possible less than that, of how much time Holmgren spends doing anything. Who gave you that talking point, Rizzo or coachb?
You and the rest of the Mangini lovers are more than entirled to your opinions. He was a decent coach and by all accounts a good guy. But you really need to stop making up stuff to try and prove whatever convoluted point you're trying to make.
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I'm trying to figure out how you arrived at that conclusion?
He certainly sounds like a guy on a mission to correct the problems of the past..
He sounds like and looks like the kinda guy that wants to put the fan fears to rest.
I wasn't for the firing of Mangini,,, Be that as it may, smarter men than I (at least as far as football is concerned) have made that decision. Because I believe in Holmgren and Heckert, I'm more than willing let it play out.
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Funny how Holmgren was a genius for giving Mangini another year when his detractors wanted Mangini gone. First it was because he was a low life that pushed out Mangini so he could take over as head coach. Now he is a lazy and liar because he doesn't believe Mangini was the guy to take the Browns to a championship.
I find it hard to believe what i read on here sometimes but then i remember Jonestown and those idiots that castrated themselves so the magic aliens living in the comet would pick them up as it passed earth.
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I'm at a point where I'm going to give Holmgren the benefit of the doubt b/c he's done a pretty good job so far.
My ONLY concern is that he's basically at the end of his career, he's got the contract to pay him and he's not looking to stay on forever so I think he's more apt to think short term instead of long. How this skews his judgement or what he would have done as a 45 year old first time coach, I'm not sure.
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J/C after reading the last several pages, i have come to a conclusion. The honeymoon period of Mike Holmgren is over. Leave it to a small fraction of browns fans to be so dense that they can not see a good thing when it hits them square in the head. WE finally have a front office doing things the right way. Yet, it seems that a few would have Holmgren ran out of here. 
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I'm trying to figure out how you arrived at that conclusion?
I'm going to answer in all caps because I've caught hell for this from several people in this thread, so I'm not directing this back at you....
DID YOU WATCH/LISTEN TO THE PRESS CONFERENCE???
He said flat out "I don't think it's right for me to be the coach at this time." He talked about how he likes spending time with his wife and family.
Translation: He's not 100% committed to coaching. Which is why I don't want him coaching the football team.
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Holmgren isn't committed 100% to putting in the hours necessary to win.
isn't the same as
He's not 100% committed to coaching.
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He's not 100% committed to coaching.
In fairness though, it could be if the "as a coach" is assumed in the 1st sentence.
I would have to go back and read the original instance of its usage ...... but frankly, it just doesn't matter all that much to me. 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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perhaps i should clarify...
i did say a wade phillips...not Wade Phillips exactly, but someone like him, who has done a great job on defense and not so much as a head coach. or like mike nolan, or maybe mike singletary or someone like that.
Basically a proven defensive guy
"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
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