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I do believe he will be elected again.




I do, too...it just makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with people.


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I do believe he will be elected again.




I do, too...it just makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with people.




When it comes to re-elections: Complacency, indifference, fear of the unknown - Those are my guesses at least.

To me, it's all going to hinge on who's running against him. I didn't vote for either of the 2 main candidates in '08 (don't tell my f-i-l, he thinks I voted Obama because I said he seemed like a good guy which was the best thing I could say about him). If I like the Rep. candidate he (or she) could get my vote. Otherwise, I'll probably go 3rd party again.


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Its pretty sad Obama could not take a few minutes out of his busy day messing up the country to call this guys wife. If it was me , O is the last guy I'd want to hear from.

Sheehan was a media hog who was loved by the left . The only reason she wanted to meet with Bush was to embarrass him. Natually the media was all over her. I didn't hear about O blowing off the parents except on here. Wonder Why? Whilr in D.C. this summer the Boy Scouts had their 100 year anniversity. O blew them off to attend some Ramadan conferance. How many of you heard about that? When I asked my Brother ( who might be a bigger limp wristed liberal than Mac ) what he thought of that he said F--- the Boy Scouts. Thats what Conservatives are up against. F the Boy Scouts but don't offend the Muslums.

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Dawg Duty can often be counted on as a good example of a base-level sort of political discourse and thinking in politics today, and this post can be broken down to give a good example of how the conversations are not only manipulated, but that often you really have the same conversation over and over and over, but with the perspectives shift depending on which side you're told you align on.

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Its pretty sad Obama could not take a few minutes out of his busy day messing up the country to call this guys wife. If it was me , O is the last guy I'd want to hear from.




As many on here have noted, the request itself and/or the anger at it's denial is absurd. You or I wouldn't have the time to make those phone calls, let alone the president. Obama's role in this is standard quo for pretty much every president in modern times.

But the anger or comments here are rooted in one thing and one thing only -- a dislike of Obama, the idea of what 'liberals' are, the Democratic party, etc.
It's a dislike of a person or entity, not the situation itself, that draws the ire.

And it works vice versa. Those, included myself, who often criticized Bush were often given a 'you just hate Bush' dismissal. The same argument, roles reversed.

A stalemate of a conversation that continues while our government bends us over.

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Sheehan was a media hog who was loved by the left .




But this guy telling his story to Q13 FOX in Seattle is nothing like that, right?

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The only reason she wanted to meet with Bush was to embarrass him.




It think it also might have had something to do with her kid being killed in wars that he presided over.

Now, see these last two quotes .... look, it's ridiculous to think that Cindy Sheehan was slighted because she couldn't talk to the president. It's not like you're going to chat with the City Council. But the realities of this don't matter to us, really. When we talk about Cindy Sheehan, we're talking about the war, pro and against. But instead of actually examining and talking about the war, we end up just talking about some woman who lost it after her son was killed in it.

People talk often - especially since the shooting - about how both sides need to calm down the rhetoric ... the problem isn't the 'heated' rhetoric ... because, as long as I've been alive, I've always heard about how it's never been so heated or divisive, etc. The problem isn't the intensity of the rhetoric, the problem is the rhetoric itself. It's mostly just general nonsense ... from the low brow parroting of Dawg Duty up to the more intelligent and thoughtful discussions, in the end you're still just discussing philosophy that's confined under assumptions that simply don't exist.

Barack Obama is not a liberal. He's not even close to a liberal. And yet all I hear about is how he's taking the left father than it's ever been before, he hates rich people, etc., etc., etc.

George W. Bush was not a conservative. It wasn't close. And yet all you heard about was the the 'neocons' are pushing us farther to the right than we've ever been and selling off America to corporations, he hates poor people, etc., etc.

Ronald Reagan, the shining prince of the 'right', was not a conservative. It wasn't close.

BIll Clinton, not a liberal. And on and on and on and on.

The issues themselves are often skewed and manipulated, and there doesn't even have to be a whole lot of manipulation...for the most part, which camp has suckered you, which guy has presented a persona that you like.

The issues themselves aren't really relevant -- there's this whole discourse that goes on in the vast differences that Obama and Bush have on foreign policy, and it gets put over as this hawks vs. doves, pro v. anti thing, and everyone talks as if that's the case ... but in the end, these guys have handled foreign policy, or rather let it be handled by others, almost exactly the same way. Very closely.

And yet the notions have already been set, so the conversations continue on in their stunted fashion as the always do.

Meanwhile, they rob us blind and sell us off.

But let's keep talking about the family who didn't get the call from Obama or Sarah Palin's bullseye poster.



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You're right Phill, I'm a simple person. Probably not as smart or educated as you. Although on that IQ test we took on here a couple of years ago I believe I scored almost as high as you.
But if moving up to your high level of understanding means its ok to snub the parents of dead soldiers or the Boy Scouts I'll stay down here with the other dummies. Obama is doing everything he can to ruin this country And Phill, OBAMA IS A LIBERAL

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?OMG? really?


Did Bush meet every fallen soldiers parents?
NO

So please stop being overcritical... Obama could capture Usama, walk on water, and raise the dead and half of you would haven something negative to say. This is a stupid topic and there many other things politically that we should be concerned about.

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Obama could capture Usama, walk on water, and raise the dead and half of you would haven something negative to say.




I'd settle for reducing spending and telling the truth.


And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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So please stop being overcritical... Obama could capture Usama, walk on water, and raise the dead and half of you would haven something negative to say.



Try not to slip in that big puddle of irony on the floor there.


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And Phill, OBAMA IS A LIBERAL




There are very, very few liberals or conservatives in American government, and Obama certainly isn't one of them.

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