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LINK Asomugha’s deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didn’t achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'’t. His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didn’t achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player. To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009. He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season. He will be the top defensive player available whenever free agency begins.
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WE - SERIOUSLY - GOTTA GET THAT GUY!
Him on one side with Haden on the other, then re-sign Wright and keep Sheldon Brown to play CB/Safety. We'd be rocking in the secondary.
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Pass.... if we're going high profile in FA, I want to fill the big positions of need.... DE and/or WR.
Besides, this guy has played for a losing franchise for a long time. He'll want to move to a contender.
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WE - SERIOUSLY - GOTTA GET THAT GUY!
Him on one side with Haden on the other, then re-sign Wright and keep Sheldon Brown to play CB/Safety. We'd be rocking in the secondary.
I thought so too purp. Could be quite an interesting signing if we can pull it off.
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I'd be surprised if we didn't at least take a look at this guy... I think the Texans are hopefully to get this guy as well though they don't typically pay for the big free agents.
With his talent I think it'd eb dumb to not at least see what it'd take to bring him in... but I agree that we have other areas of needs.
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Pass.... if we're going high profile in FA, I want to fill the big positions of need.... DE and/or WR.
Besides, this guy has played for a losing franchise for a long time. He'll want to move to a contender.
So you don't think getting AT WORST a top 5 CB is a need? He would be our legitimate #1 and we'd have Haden on the other side. That definitely fulfills a need. If we could sign him and get someone like Julio Jones in round 1 and a DE (depending on a 43 or 34 defense) in round 2, we could be immensely improved on defense. While I agree that the positions you listed are huge needs, I don't think we're nearly set enough at CB to not look at getting Asomugha.
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You have a limited amount of FA dollars per year. In my mind, you target those to areas of the most dire needs. Would it be nice to have him? Absolutely. Would he be an improvement? Absolutely.
Would I prefer him over an elite WR or DE? Nope.
I'm not writing him off because he's not a great player. He absolutely is. I think two things...A) CB is not a position of extreme need. B) He's played for the Raiders for years...he'll want to go to a winner. To get him here, we'd have to overpay.
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Asomugha would look awesome in a Browns uni.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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How is CB not a position of need? Did you watch Eric Wright attempt to play this season? If he's done, we got no one else ready to go. A few draft mocks have us taking a CB @ #6 b/c of this very reason. We have ONE CB on this team. So do we draft: CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska, 59 tackles and one sack or go after someone like Asomugha and use that pick elsewhere? Mock #1 Mock #2If we take care of CB in free agency, then we can look at DL or WR help with that pick.
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I'm not saying it wouldn't be great. I'm saying there's bigger fish to fry.
FA provides proven talent at positions. IMO, the biggest positions of need are at WR and DE, followed closely by RG.
Eric Wright had a poor season but he's not a bad cornerback. Sheldon Brown is also still a decent corner, more than adequate for the nickel.
You say we have one CB...we have NO defensive ends and marginal WRs at best. Thus, those are the areas that we need immediate and trustworthy production.
Ashuomga would be a great pickup but he's not the best expenditure of FA dollars at this point. Don't get me wrong...if we got him, I'd be pumped. But if I'm the GM he's not target #1 on the FA market.
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Gotta make a run to get this guy here.
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The guy's probably gonna be the highest paid defensive guy in history by the time he signs. Not sure that's the best way for us to spend our money given he's already 30.
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Take a hard run at him in FA. Sell the Cards our #1 this year and a 2nd next and grab Fitz rather than spending it on an unknown WR in the draft then snag Casey Mathews and a RG or RT in rds 2/3 and we have just added youth, experience and bolstered some depth...
Pipe dream over....
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LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Gotta go after him. I would imagine 31 other teams are going to be too. If not, we know we need a CB on the other side of Haden. Brown is aging and Wright .... Wright .... Where is Wright? Dawgstyle44, that would be awesome  haha
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I appreciate the optimism, and I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform, but 30 year-old players in the top 5 at their position who have toiled on bad teams their whole careers aren't exactly looking at Cleveland.
I wish it weren't so, but the only way he'd even think about coming here would be if we threw way too much money at him.
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Part of me would LOVE to have him and the other part reminds me we wouldn't be having this convo if he made his contract objectives. Either he was dogging it or he's not what he used to be.
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He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.
What happened? I wouldn't spend the huge money for him, I'd rather invest at other positions and stand firm with Haden, Brown and Wright.
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Him on one side with Haden on the other, then re-sign Wright and keep Sheldon Brown to play CB/Safety. We'd be rocking in the secondary.
can he play DL ?
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I can't speak to the INTs or fumble recoveries, but CBs aren't exactly sack machines in the NFL. There was one CB this season with 4 sacks, a handful with 2, and that's about it. I'd imagine the lack of INTs are because teams were picking on the Raiders' other corner, who appears to be far less accomplished than Asomugha is.
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How the hell do the Raiders agree to that kind of contract  I wouldn't complain if Browns get this guy.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I wouldn't complain if Browns get this guy.
I guess you could say that.
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I hope Lerner opens the pockets right up for this guy. If there was ever a FA signing that needed to be made, its this one. Of course, I bet 31 other teams feel the same way. I think this guy is about to be paid more than anyone ever has in the NFL.
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I think we need to get our house in order first. We have a lot of free agents to resign. After we take care of our free agents then we can figure out how much we can spend on others.
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He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season.
What happened? I wouldn't spend the huge money for him, I'd rather invest at other positions and stand firm with Haden, Brown and Wright.
He had 17 tackles, 2 assists, and 6 passes defensed this season on top of 0 sacks, and 0 interceptions.
What happened? Nobody threw the ball near him 
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I think that depends on the salary cap. If there isn't one, hopefully Mr. Lerner gets us an early Christmas gift this year.  If there is one, I hope they find a way to squeeze him in. This guy isn't captain red flag like Albert Haynesworth. Of course, I don't think Cleveland is on the top of his list, so I imagine this is all for naught anyway. Sometimes its nice to dream though.
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Pursuing is free; he would be a "catch", but how hard will he hit the market? What would we need for this? 
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A determined resolve to make it happen.
Browns is the Browns
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Pursuing is free; he would be a "catch", but how hard will he hit the market? What would we need for this?
Good point. If for no other reason, drive up the price for Baltimore (Where I expect he ends up.)
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I agree with everyone that's saying CB is not a position of need, but landing a talent like him would make this team better, no doubt. You simply cannot watch a talent like this go through FA without taking a shot at it.
We can address WR and DE in the draft. If we do land this guy and no one else in FA, I'll be happy. If we go after him, don't get him, and then address another need in FA, I'll be happy.
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Pay through the nose for a 30-year-old corner? No thank you.
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I didn't realize he was 30. Even still, the guy has game. He goes toe-to-toe with Revis every year for "Best Corner" award. I don't know how you can sit back and watch that guy go through free agency and not do anything.
Plus, I doubt he's going to get anything near his last contract wherever he ends up. I could be wrong, but that's what I see happening.
Everyone knows that last contract was Raiders-Ridiculous.
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Is this some of that talent folks say we need? If so then we gotta try to sign him!
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You have a limited amount of FA dollars per year. In my mind, you target those to areas of the most dire needs. Would it be nice to have him? Absolutely. Would he be an improvement? Absolutely.
Would I prefer him over an elite WR or DE? Nope.
I'm not writing him off because he's not a great player. He absolutely is. I think two things...A) CB is not a position of extreme need. B) He's played for the Raiders for years...he'll want to go to a winner. To get him here, we'd have to overpay.
Someone tell me what elite reeiver is going to be a FA this year that the Browns can sign?
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Word in SD is that he's getting a new contract.
No, I don't have a link, so take that for what it's worth.
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You have a limited amount of FA dollars per year. In my mind, you target those to areas of the most dire needs. Would it be nice to have him? Absolutely. Would he be an improvement? Absolutely.
Would I prefer him over an elite WR or DE? Nope.
I'm not writing him off because he's not a great player. He absolutely is. I think two things...A) CB is not a position of extreme need. B) He's played for the Raiders for years...he'll want to go to a winner. To get him here, we'd have to overpay.
Someone tell me what elite reeiver is going to be a FA this year that the Browns can sign?
Malcomb Floyd might be the best...but he isn't elite.
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Even if VJax isn;t available, I'd prefer a new good WR and DE to a corner. If we could do all three, great..... but FA is the best means to fill holes and allows us a more BPA approach in the draft.
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Uh..U know how I feel about good CB's..
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Someone tell me what elite reeiver is going to be a FA this year that the Browns can sign?
I know your point. But I will just try and drive it home
T.O.? Ochocinco? Braylon Edwards? Steve Smith (Carolina)? Vincent Jackson is great but he is one incident short of being suspended for the season.
The only way you usually get elite WR's is through the draft or a trade.
If you can sign any elite free agent, no matter the position, you should probably try and do it. There are obvious exceptions, we don't need a left tackle, but for the most part everyone should want the elite level free agents. Like Nnamdi Asomugha.
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