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No, not as a head coach. As some sort of assistant. He has coached d-line and was a pretty good defensive coordinator. I think he would be a pretty good assistant. ESPN.com Quote:
One head coaching hire in Carolina has created multiple opportunities for former University of Pittsburgh head coach Dave Wannstedt, according to league sources.
Within the next 24 hours, Wannstedt is expected to talk to his former Dallas Cowboys counterpart and current San Diego Chargers head coach Norv Turner about succeeding former San Diego defensive coordinator Ron Rivera, who agreed Tuesday to become the Carolina Panthers head coach.
But Rivera also is interested in talking with Wannstedt, who wants to become an assistant head coach. Rivera needs a defensive coordinator and Wannstedt is a candidate for the job.
The Cleveland Browns and Buffalo Bills also have expressed interest in Wannstedt for various coaching roles.
Pittsburgh recently fired Wannstedt, who now appears ready to return to the NFL, where he was a Super-Bowl winning coordinator with the Cowboys and a head coach for the Chicago Bears and Miami Dolphins.
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So how does the team express interest in a DC without an HC being hired yet? Are they looking to pick assistants for the HC or am I not getting something?
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I just hope we don't want to talk to him about the HEAD coaching job. This guy is mediocre personified as a head coach. As a d.c., fine, but like ddubia, I wonder why we'd be talking about staff positions w/out a head coach in place. (Unless, of course, Holmgren already knows who the head coach is going to be.)
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My understanding was, DW was retiring from football, period, and this is why he was done iat Pitt -- where I thought he was doing a pretty good job and having some fun,....
I am misinformed. What is the deal with this guy ?
And for the record, I have no problem with Holmgren having a hand in picking assistants.
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My understanding was, DW was retiring from football, period, and this is why he was done iat Pitt -- where I thought he was doing a pretty good job and having some fun,....
I am misinformed. What is the deal with this guy ?
He was basically forced to resign at Pitt due to his inability to win a Big East Championship in his time there. Retirement talk only surfaced AFTER his resignation.
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I always liked Dave Wannstedt.. he had some good seasons in the NFL, and then a few bad ones.. 2-3 in the playoffs according to link. If he was a head coach here I wouldn't mind.
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i think its common for a potential head coach to try to assemble a staff, at least to some degree. It makes the candidate look more prepared as he is interviewing for the headcoaching position. So the question is, who has contacted DW about being on his staff?? I seriously doubt he is being looked at by MH to be the next head coach.
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OK now, not a name I expected to pop up. I'm kind of hoping our new coach keeps Ryan onboard, but I would have NO problem if Wannstache eventually became our D-Coordinator. I'd be shocked if this guy even got an interview for head coach in the pros.
Not sure what to make of the Browns being interested though. Seems like they are either getting a feel for him and gathering info to pass on to our new head coach, or Holmgren is looking for HIS staff should he take the sidelines. Or both . . .
I feel like the new coach should most definitely be the one picking his staff.
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I think he could be quite an asset, not as HC. But he gets players ready; they also tackle. DC for me! I do not know about Jauron. Is he a better fit or more qualified? 
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Biggest difference is Jauron prefers a small very fast front 7. His philsoophy is more of a gang mentality.
Wanni is more traditional with the philosophy of beat the guy in front of you and make the play. He likes power in the middle and explosion from his ends. His linebackers have generally been smaller and quicker on the outside with a thumper in the middle.
BTW if Wanni is our DC, first move i would make would be to see if I could pry Hawk away from the Packers where thus far he has been a bust. He doesnt fit the 3-4 but get him in Wanni's 4-3 and he could be what most everyone thought he would be.
Hell with all the teams switching to the 3-4, there are a plethora of 4-3 linebackers out there with real talent needing work. Wesley Woodyard from Denver would be another guy that could be had easily, might even be a FA this year. Stud 4-3 but out of place and to small for the 3-4.
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I would definitely prefer Wannstedt to Jauron.
I think that his philosophy fits better in the AFCN than Jauron's does.
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I don't feel one way or the other about Wannstedt, but if he does get hired as the DC I'm going to have to put my buddy on suicide watch I think. He's not all that thrilled with Shurmer already - especially him calling his own plays - and he loathes Wanny for some reason... like literally can't stand him... like he came to his house years ago and kicked his mom in the shin lol.
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If it's not Wannstedt at this point, I don't know who it would be. We would almost certainly be down to coordinator at that point.
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I like Jauron but I agree Wanni would be my preferred choice. Great teacher and he is a terrific at instilling the fundamentals.
Wanni and Zorn would be the best set of coordinators we have had since the return by far.
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I like Jauron but I agree Wanni would be my preferred choice. Great teacher and he is a terrific at instilling the fundamentals.
Wanni and Zorn would be the best set of coordinators we have had since the return by far.
 too bad Zorn is staying with the Ravens
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I like Jauron but I agree Wanni would be my preferred choice. Great teacher and he is a terrific at instilling the fundamentals.
Wanny would be great just for the Wannstache Face.
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Please don't.
I like reading your posts, Mourgrym, but is it really that hard to type "Wannstedt"? Does everyone have to have a nickname or abbreviation?
JMO ... back to the thread topic.
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I don't feel one way or the other about Wannstedt, but if he does get hired as the DC I'm going to have to put my buddy on suicide watch I think. He's not all that thrilled with Shurmer already - especially him calling his own plays - and he loathes Wanny for some reason... like literally can't stand him... like he came to his house years ago and kicked his mom in the shin lol.
why wouldnt anyone like a superbowl winning coordinator?
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Jim Zorn could be in line for Browns' offensive coordinator job By Jeff Schudel JSchudel@News-Herald.comJim Zorn, currently the quarterbacks coach of the Baltimore Ravens, could be the Browns' next offensive coordinator, according to league sources. Zorn was the quarterbacks coach under Browns president Mike Holmgren in Seattle from 2001-2007 when Holmgren was the Seahawks' head coach. Zorn helped develop Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck in the West Coast offense. It is the same offense new Browns coach Pat Shurmur will run. Shurmur plans to call plays initially, he said at his introductory news conference. Zorn would be able to take over eventually and in the meantime tutor Colt McCoy as the offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach. Zorn was hired as the Redskins' offensive coordinator in January 2008. A month later, impulsive Redskins owner Dan Snyder named Zorn head coach. Zorn was 12-20 in two seasons. Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt, both former head coaches in the NFL, top the list of coaches who might be named defensive coordinator on Shurmur's staff. Both are expected to interview with the Browns this week. Wannstedt's name surfaced before the 2010 regular season ended for the Browns with four straight losses. Jauron, the Eagles' secondary coach in 2010, became an immediate candidate with the hiring of Shurmur last week. Shurmur was an assistant coach in Philadelphia for 10 years before moving to St. Louis as the Rams' offensive coordinator in 2009. Shurmur and Jauron did not coach together in Philadelphia, but both coached under Eagles coach Andy Reid. Jauron, 60, could decide to stay in Philadelphia. He is a candidate to replace Sean McDermott as the Eagles' defensive coordinator. McDermott was fired last week. Jauron's coaching career included stints as head coach of the Bears, Lions and Bills Wannstedt, 58, was head coach at Pitt the last six years. He is a candidate to become the Bills' defensive coordinator. He was head coach of the Bears from 1993-1998 (41-57) and Dolphins from 2000 to mid-2004 (43-33). Second chance for Daboll Brian Daboll has been hired as offensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins. Daboll was the Browns' offensive coordinator the last two years. The Browns finished 32nd offensively in 2009 and 29th in 2010.
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my bad if i am wrong ... i thought on the front page of ESPN yesterday it said "Zorn returning to Ravens" and i got really disappointed.
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Zorn for OC?
How well did he do in Wash. DC?
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as an OC, he is awesome. as a HC, not very good ...
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Why would he come here if Shurmur will be doing the play calling?
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Why would he come here if Shurmur will be doing the play calling?
Because he gets an expanded role in an offense without doing what he isn't ready to do in calling plays.
Zorn sucked as a play caller and head coach but is great as a QB coach in Baltimore.
I believe the plan may be to have Shurmur call the plays and allow Zorn to grow into his role.
you had a good run Hank.
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Pardon me if I'm wrong .... but didn't he try being his own coordinator as head coach of the Deadskins? He is currently QB coach. He's never been a coordinator, has he? I wouldn't mind Zorn as QB coach ...... but I don't like an inexperienced duo of Zorn and Shurmur doing the offensive coordinating. I have concerns. I know ... that makes me a hater. 
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Not exactly. Before Zorn was the head coach of the Redskins he was never an offensive coordinator. Then when he became head coach he started to call plays. The Redskins finished 19th and 22nd in yards and 28th and 26th in points during Zorn's two years with them.
And now he is back to being a QB coach.
So if awesome means, not very good and inexperienced, then yes he is awesome.
Then again, Shurmur will be calling the plays.
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Maybe a raise in salary and a bigger title?
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as an OC, he is awesome.
He has never been an OC....But he has been a fantastic QB Coach.
Even without the experience at OC, I like the pick if it goes through...I think Zorn will be an excellent choice. He is not the one that would be on everyones radar...But I think he has a very good Offensive mind and can be a huge contributer to the offense and especially Colt McCoy or any QB brought in. And for those that are leery that he has not been an OC before...remember that Shurmer will be calling the plays this year anyway...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Then why the hell would we want him at all?
For his value as a QB Coach? Give me a break.... there's a hundred guy out there that can do that. Heck, supposedly, our President is THE QB Guru. I'd think that between him, Haskell, the current QB coach and Shurmur we might be able to coach up McCoy.
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I wouldn't mind Zorn as QB coach ...... but I don't like an inexperienced duo of Zorn and Shurmur doing the offensive coordinating. I have concerns.
I know ... that makes me a hater.
No, just a hypcrite since Daboll and Mangini had even less experience in calling O plays....but we barely noticed, right?
Your concern is valid but with your recent posting background, it's somewhat laughable
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Maybe a raise in salary and a bigger title?
Probably.
The great thing for McCoy would be that he has a great QB coach and Shurmur who has a history of developing QB's.
I like it. Whatever helps the QB's.
you had a good run Hank.
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that's the most anyone has ever responded to me! i was wrong! haha i thought he was an awesome OC but it was QB coach. i'll shut up now 
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Then why the hell would we want him at all?
For his value as a QB Coach? Give me a break.... there's a hundred guy out there that can do that. Heck, supposedly, our President is THE QB Guru. I'd think that between him, Haskell, the current QB coach and Shurmur we might be able to coach up McCoy.
So why are you complaining about adding ANOTHER guy who can coach up QB's?
Are we really complaining about having too many coaches who know how to develop a QB?
you had a good run Hank.
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I don't see the point in making him the hire if there is no real added value in having him here.
If we're just hiring him because of his work as QB coach in Baltimore, then he's redundant here and making him the Offensive Coordinator is pretty much a complete waste.
You want to bring in a position coach and give him an OC title while continuing to be a position coach? How about get a WR's Coach that can get our WR's to run a route and maybe get separation from a DB.
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If we have him on staff and he acknowledges that Shurmur's the boss w/ no head butting, then I'm all for it. Don't see how it can hurt . . .
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I wouldn't mind Zorn as QB coach ...... but I don't like an inexperienced duo of Zorn and Shurmur doing the offensive coordinating. I have concerns.
I know ... that makes me a hater.
No, just a hypcrite since Daboll and Mangini had even less experience in calling O plays....but we barely noticed, right?
Your concern is valid but with your recent posting background, it's somewhat laughable
No, actually it doesn't.
The reason that I have concerns about an inexperienced head coach and offensive coordinator is that the head coach this time around is going to try and call his own plays. Mangini never did that. Mangini had been through being a head coach before, and wasn't going to coordinate a side of the team. He was going to act as the head coach only. Shurmur is going to call his own plays, while carrying an inexperienced coordinator, while trying to be a head coach for the first time ever,
There is no comparison, but you are trying to create an imaginary one. Hypocrite? I don't think so at all. The one thing I have said consistently since Shurmur was even rumored was that I wanted strong coordinators, and did not want the head coach calling his own plays while trying to learn how to be a head coach at the same time. That makes me consistent, and you guilty of seeing only what you want to see.
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Don't know if he can or cannot coach WR'ers.
However, former HC, NFL QB and successful QB coach, I have no problem with him as a OC.
you had a good run Hank.
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While I agree with your concern of Shurmur calling his own plays and at the same time being a HC, Mangini/Daboll NEVER called 1 single O snap in this league before...that was my point....Shurmur at least has 2 years of doing that while Mangini/Daboll had 0
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I don't really have an opinion on Zorn, the one piont I will bring up is this:
WIth him being with the Ravens the past few yrs. as QB coach, he will be more familiar with our AFCN opponents. That has got to be at least one check mark in the favorable column.
Our 1st priority needs to be to build a team that can win the AFCN. Maybe with his knowledge of the division allready, this will give us one more step in that direction??????
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