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I also worry about Shurmer trying this kind of offense in Cleveland .....

In Bradford's 1st professional game, against the Cardinals, Shurmer had him throw 55 times. This was in a 3 point game. Bradford wound up throwing 3 INTs in the game. Jackson averaged almost 4 yards/carry, so it wasn't that the run game was completely stymied.

In Bradford's 2nd game, he scaled him back to 25 throws. This was a 2 point loss.

In his 3rd game, Bradford threw 37 times.

4th, 41 times.

5th game, 45 throws.



This is a rookie QB .... being asked to throw a TON of passes. That worries me, a lot. I don't want a pass happy guy in December in Cleveland in the winds and storms.

Bradford averaged almost 37 passes/game in his rookie year. Anyone ready to pile that workload on McCoy?

I just typed up a nice long post and the topic was locked when it Reply so it just disappeared into the ether.

Shurmur never worked for Holmgren. His uncle Fritz did as a defensive coordinator.

Anyways, Mike Holmgren's resumé is impressive to be sure, but it has to be kept in mind that he's a first-time team president. He's never had to hire a head coach before. He did pick his successor in Seattle and that turned out disastrously. I hope that he makes the right decision, but I'm not going to blindly champion his every move. He's already swung and missed once with the Delhomme signing. I'm going to play wait-and-see.

As for Pat Shurmer, nothing about what he's done inspires any sort of confidence. The Browns don't have the benefit of having great players that can mask the deficiencies of a first-time head coach learning the ropes of the gig, the way Tomlin, Harbaugh, Caldwell, McCarthy and Smith did. The Browns need a head coach who can get the most out of a team that is wanting for great players at early every skill position. Shurmur couldn't get very good results out of a #1 overall QB and a proven top 10 back, so I have little faith that he can do more with less here. I certainly could be wrong, and if he's Holmgren's choice to coach the team then I pray that I am. I just have little faith or reason to believe that Pat Shurmur can be that guy.

Jim Caldwell made it to the Super Bowl in his first year as a head coach.
Mike Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his first year as a head coach.
Mike McCarthy lost the NFC title game to the eventual Super Bowl champions in his second year as a head coach.
John Harbaugh lost the AFC title game to the eventual Super Bowl champions in his first year as a head coach.

Where will Pat Shurmer have the Browns in 2012?

John Fassel, former Giants and Bronco coach ? now in the XFL always seems to have his stuff together and his teams seem to be well rounded with few weaknesses

Brian Billick, former coach Baltimore Ravens, Already has had success in the AFC north ( although not against Baltimore) could really galvanize some respect and would at least inspire hope for competitiveness.

Tony Dungee, first coach to beat every NFL team, Turned around the Tampa Bay buccanneers BEFORE he even worked with Peyton Manning.

John Gruden, I'm not as high on this option as I may have been a year ago, although he did take part, ( I forget what part) in the Raiders, Buccanneers Super Bowl, he seemed to just be average afterwards, but at least he has emotion and Fire and experience.

Ray Rhodes, at least he was once Eagles coach, I'm not sure of his age, if that would be a factor

I always forget this next guys name, Former Vikings head coach 1991-? a very animated and succesful head coach 1998-? He Coached Randy Moss' first year.

Marty Schottenheimer, Well I can go on about 3 organizations including the Browns he took to the playoffs, how he is the Best coach to overcome a regular season game you are overmatched in, or how he was able to achieve division titles more often than most coaches. He commented a couple years ago. The statement makes me beleive he may not want to come back at this age.

Joe Gibbs, Only Coach I know to win 3 superbowls with 3 different quarterbacks. Are there any others? That has to mean something.

Brian Schottenheimer, Jets Coordinator , followed Mangini when he became coach of Jets from coordinator. (like that means didley, pfft.) Schottenheimer has reached the 41-49 yr age that head coaches who are successful need 1 of 4 to be big, ALMOST, he's 38 I think
Schottenheimer, Brian, has reached being a coordinator with a team with 50 wins in the last 5 yrs criteria that need 1 of 4 to be big, ALMOST the Jets have 44 to 46 wins I think

Schottenheimer Brian, HAS reached, ACTUALLY the criteria that New head coaches need to be successful, of 11 yrs experience coaching in the NFL

And the last of the 4 criteria was that they have only 1 or no other head coaching gig in the past. This would Be Brian Schottenheimers first Head Coaching job AND this means
He would have something to Prove, and that means he Plays to win the game, or coaches to.

Brian Schottenhiemer was sought by the Dolphins in 2007
the Jets Fans did want to get rid of him in 2009, so they'd be happy to see him go, They just don't realize what a GEM this guy would be as a head coaching hire
Brian Schottenheimer, " We gotta Get this Guy" you can hold me to that.

Kevin Gilbride, former Steelers coordinator, current Cardinals head coach, He is now and was at the time a good coach to hire, probably impossible to get.
Bill Cowher, Though I"m not going to be holding any signs in Cleveland Browns Stadium with his name on the sign.
I think that is one of the least happy I've been with what I've seen on TV done by Browns fans when they did that in the last home game of the 08 season.

Top 3 from Throw Long?
Brian Billick, Brian Schottenheimer, John Fassel,
Why?
I want to see the Browns get serious about competing in this division.
Kevin Gilbride, would kick someone off those top 3 if he were possible.

A roll of the dice beats a sure loser, and I never saw Anything, ( I mean ANYTHING) that made me thing Fritz Schurmer was out coaching anyone, and I'm not inspired by the thought of another Schurmer


This is in response to a Quoted " Who would be your ideal coaching candidates"

j/c

I ran across a throw-back article from when Shurmur had taken over QB coach in Phili.Nothing overly exciting, but its tough to find much of anything on this guy and at least this goes into his personality a bit.

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I have not seen it posted.

Did you mean this article?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/zillgitt/2005-02-02-zillgitt_x.htm

Thanks for catching that, Ytown. I fixed the link in the original post.

What are you talking about? Patience? Overrated. If this Shurmer character doesn't have us in the AFC championship game in 2012, he is a joke.

http://mobile.cleveland.com/advcleve/pm_...ntguid=BifpgJGX

LeCharles Bentley has been ranting the last few days about this coaching search not being about finding the best coach for the Browns. It is about making more money for coaches that have Bob Lamonte as their agent. I know all of you have heard about this, I just wondered if anybody agreed with him or not. I don't know if he is right but I do know that he believes he is right. He guarantees the next coach will be from this agent.

If our next coach gets fired, will Holmgren then hire another one of his clients to a huge deal? I hope Holmgren has the Browns interests over anything else. I'm a sucker for conspiracies though.

Refs, go ahead and move this if you want.

Not to get off track on the Shurmer bashing, but I thought this was worth a watch.

Talks about Morningwheg working with Vick. Mostly fluff, but worth a looky. I've never seen Marty in front of a camera, so it was a little revealing to see him talk.

most hires fail miserably, or else there wouldn't be such a coaching carousal. mike smith is the recent poster-child for turning around a struggling team (hired by newly minted FO in Atlanta to boot).

I agree that there is no 'right type of candidate'. There is only the 'right man for the job'. Problem is noone knows who that is until they prove they were.

Mike Smith also had a 1700-yard back, a 1300 yard receiver and Matty Ice (winningest QB in his first three seasons in NFL history) to help him out. We don't have any of those things.

I don't know where to start...

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John Fassel, former Giants and Bronco coach ? now in the XFL always seems to have his stuff together and his teams seem to be well rounded with few weaknesses

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JIM Fassel coaches in the UFL.

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Tony Dungee

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Dungy. Also said recently he will never coach again.

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John Gruden

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Jon Gruden has said he is returning to the booth for 2011.

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Ray Rhodes

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Ray Rhodes is 60 years old and has been fired as a head coach two times with a record of 37-42-1

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Joe Gibbs

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70 years old, has only coached for the Redskins, and was not very good in his return to Washington.

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Brian Schottenheimer

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I really have no clue what you are even talking about with him. It doesn't even make sense...literally.

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Kevin Gilbride, former Steelers coordinator, current Cardinals head coach

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Kevin Gilbride is the offensive coordinator for the Giants. Ken Whisenhunt is the Cardinals head coach.

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Bill Cowher

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Would never come here because he would want Holmgren-like control over the tea. And Holmgren-like money.

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A roll of the dice beats a sure loser, and I never saw Anything, ( I mean ANYTHING) that made me thing Fritz Schurmer was out coaching anyone, and I'm not inspired by the thought of another Schurmer

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Most of the guys you mentioned are not rolls of the dice. Some of them are sure losers.

Fritz Shurmur is dead. His nephew is Pat Shurmur, who is a candidate for the Browns' job. They are related. One coached defense, the other now coaches defense. They are different people.

If you want a roll of the dice candidate then you should like Pat Shurmur.

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Fritz Shurmur is dead. His nephew is Pat Shurmur, who is a candidate for the Browns' job. They are related. One coached defense, the other now coaches defense. They are different people.

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Minor correction,, Pat Shumer is the OC of the Rams... he doesn't coach the defense.. Otherwise,, carry on....

Sorry, after reading that post I was bound to screw up myself.

There is a saying that.....

"Great Leaders are born not made"

For every new Coach that successfully makes the transition to Head Coach, there is probably 10 who will fail.

We are long over due in our search for someone who can lead this our storied franchise to respectability.

Weather or not whom ever is hired to be our next head Coach will be able to succeed where as many before have failed, will not be apparent until he and his staff have had the opportunity to show what they bring to this team.

With a new Coach comes new questions.???

I do give Mike Smith credit. I'm saying that its a heck of a lot easier for an unproven coach to be successful when he has great players, regardless of where or when he got them. The Browns do NOT have great players. It's going to take a hell of a coach to be successful here.

Also, Michael Turner was regarded to be one of the top free agents on the market in 2008.

The bottom line is that too many people are giving all of the credit to the coach until the disparity in talent between those teams and our own is brought up. Then it becomes "well, its two different situations". If its two different situations then the examples being used don't apply. Nobody is talking about situations loser to our own, such as those in San Francisco and Denver. Granted, our FO should be more stable than those teams', but the talent bases are similar (though I'd take Frank Gore, Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree over what we have any day of the week, as well as Eddie Royal), and those coaches are both currently unemployed after pathetic showings.

Phew! I was waiting to form an opinion until I had to hear what LeCharles Bentley had to say.

Now I just need to see what Trent Dilfer thinks and I'll be totally educated.

we're in basic agreement then. my main point was at the time of hiring he had '1' of those guys (Roddy). any coach we get will also have '1' guy at similar positions (Hillis), plus a better OL, and possibly a QB in Colt. WR can't be fixed with just '1' pick however (at least I don't think so).

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Phew! I was waiting to form an opinion until I had to hear what LeCharles Bentley had to say.

Now I just need to see what Trent Dilfer thinks and I'll be totally educated.

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Priceless!!

Supposedly, its all but official - supposedly....

Shurmur to be named

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The contract should not be difficult to procure, since Browns president Mike Holmgren, general manager Tom Heckert, executive vice president Bryan Wiedmeier and Shurmur all have the same agent, Bob Lamonte.

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The only comment I have on this Lamonte thing is - that while I don't like it and it does make me a little unfcomfortable, this guy has been with Holmgren practically since birth and Mike hasn't seemed to struggle a whole heck of a lot because of it.

The guy represents some solid people. I'm trying not to get too caught up in it those 'behind the scenes' details.

I'm more curious about the staff that's coming with him at this point.

Hey, if this is true, welcome aboard!

I will say that the whole Lamonte thing hasn't bothered me one bit. So long as that isn't the reason he's being hired (and there have been no real and actual reports that's so), who cares?

Just more conspiracy theory to placate the doomsdayer crowd, IMO.

All I can say is that I really hope that Mularkey, Shurmer and Fewell aren't the only candidates that we reached out to.

I don't think it's the reason he is being hired.

But it definitely isn't a coincidence.

Yeah, I'm hoping that's the case and it just hasn't been made public.

Underwhelmed

In other news, Daboll was in Miami today interviewing for their OC or QB coach positions.