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Shurmur may bring in an offensive coordinator, but he will call his own plays. Most WCO OC's-turned-head coaches call their own plays.
I'm more interested in who the DC is.
ammo...I have no problem with a HC calling his own plays...many do in the NFL.
Now that the offensive side is taking shape, I too wonder what will happen on the defensive side of the ball.
My best guess would be that Ryan is gone and the same people who hire the HC, will use their experience and knowledge to bring in the best possible defensive candidate to take over the defense.
Who that might be?..no idea...
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I'm not ganna go all  if he's the guy they hire, but I'm not ganna sit here and  either. I just can't wait for when we make some solid upgrades this offseason to the actual team, and play our "easier" schedual, for all the EM Haters to say "See, See, I told you!"
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I am more interested in seeing who the OC & DC will be.
For the first time since our re-birth, I have confidence in the President and - more importantly to me - the GM.
A young guy can more-easily be molded into what the Pres & GM want...I'm ok with Shurmur...but I want experience at OC & DC.
Oh yeah...I am d-o-n-e with Ryan and his mouth. I do not like a high-profile DC who starts talking the talk before walking the walk. Just my opinion.
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j/c I am extremely skeptical about Shurmur for several reasons: 1) Hiring the OC from a mediocre team in a division that is all about defense makes no sense to me at all. Two of the top defenses in the league are in this division, and the HC for the third came from one of them. IMHO, if defense isn't a focus, and we don't end up with a solid DC, then we are boned for two years, until this regime is replaced. 2) The wide net that was supposed to be cast was never cast at all. It is very difficult to believe that Shurmur is the best candidate out there. VERY difficult to believe. He has very a limited resume, and limited experience. So the big white elephant in the room is, other than the Holmgren/Heckert/Lamonte connection, exactly what qualifies him to be the HC of the Cleveland Browns? 3) If you're going to hire an offensive minded OC, (which, BTW, is merely a knee jerk backlash reaction to a sub-par season to begin with,) why not hire someone who is actually doing something of note? (Like Mularkey.) 4) This SCREAMS of nepotism, that Shurmur was the choice all along, and that the other two interviews were just a dog and pony show. The size of the contract will tell much of the story, (Mangini was making $3.9M/year,) how much is Shurmur "worth"? Is this about a fat pay day for LaMonte? 5) Just what is the big hurry here? Is the organization that undesirable that no one else will take an interview? Are there no coaches/coordinators in the playoffs that will even consider the job? If that's the case, what does that say about our F.O.? Is no one is willing to work here because of the tight controls and the perennial hot seat? 6) Holmgren's word just took a nose dive, in my view, based on his promise to do a comprehensive search. His motives for this hiring come into question, is this strictly about control? Is Shurmur merely a figurehead? Will he be allowed to put his own, or any kind of, stamp on this team? And the biggest question of all, does the team, and winning, really come first? 7) The biggest endorsement for Shurmur, (that I can find in the press,) is that Holmgren hired him, so we must trust that it's a good hire. I seriously have to  at that one. 8) Assuming this is a done deal, then we all climb back on board and support the guy, but there are some serious questions here, and he will be entering his tenure under a cloud of doubt. Not a great way to start. That causes me to wonder how long until the press, fan base and possibly even the players fail to support him, and he loses any real chance of turning this team around. 9) I have a very hard time believing that this is a substantial upgrade over Mangini and staff. On this, only time will tell. As fans, we're taking a huge leap of faith. I know many will say we must trust Holmgren no matter what. The simple fact is, we have no choice. But we also have little reason, (IMO). Other than the fact that he won a SB as a coach in GB, I don't find his resume all that impressive. Many will buy into anything and everything he says and does. Others won't like a thing that comes out of this selection. As stated, I have many questions, but, like a few here, I'll take a wait and see approach because there's nothing else I can do. However, today, starting out, this new (likely) coaching hire leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Go Browns.
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I'm not ganna go all if he's the guy they hire, but I'm not ganna sit here and either.
That's probably a good way to put it. To me, it's a good way to put it BECAUSE HE HASN'T EVEN COACHED A GAME YET (assuming he is hired).
We shouldn't get too high or too low. But I think we should at least give him a chance.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Pat Shurmur enters his second year as offensive coordinator with the Rams. In 2009, Shumur coached running back Steven Jackson to his second Pro Bowl berth. Under Shumur, Jackson finished with the NFC rushing title after tallying 1,416 yards, the second highest total of his career. Jackson also produced 1,738 total yards from scrimmage, second-highest total in the NFC. He rushed for 100 yards in a careerhigh seven games.
Shurmur joined the Rams after seven seasons as quarterbacks coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb earned three of his five Pro Bowl berths during Shurmur’s tenure. McNabb finished among the top 10 in the NFL in attempts (571, fourth), completions (345, fifth), yards (3,916, seventh) and touchdowns (23, eighth) in 2008. His 345 completions and 3,916 passing yards set Eagles single-season records.
In 2004, Shurmur guided McNabb to the most productive season of his career, in which McNabb established franchise records in passer rating (104.7) and completion percentage (64.0). McNabb also became the first quarterback in NFL history to have a season with 30-plus touchdown passes (31) and fewer than 10 interceptions (eight).
In 2002, in Shurmur’s first season as quarterbacks coach, McNabb and quarterback Koy Detmer suffered injuries late in the season. Shurmur turned to No. 3 quarterback A.J. Feeley, who had not started a game in three years, since his junior season at Oregon. The Eagles went 4-1, won the NFC East and advanced to the NFC Championship game. Shurmur faced another quarterback injury in 2006, when McNabb sustained a knee injury, and backup Jeff Garcia took the helm. Garcia closed the regular season with a 5-1 record and led the Eagles into the second round of the playoffs. Shurmur came to the Eagles in 1999 as tight ends coach. Eagles tight end Chad Lewis earned three consecutive Pro Bowl invitations from 1999-2001.
Shurmur spent the 1998 season at Stanford University as offensive line coach. The Cardinal offensive line allowed the fewest sacks per pass attempt in the Pac-10 and, in the process, helped first-year quarterback Todd Husak become only the third quarterback in Stanford history to throw for more 3,000 yards.
Pat coached tight ends, special teams, and assisted with the offensive line at Michigan State from 1990-97. Shurmur pupils Ty Hallock, Duane Young and Mitch Lyons went on to play tight end in the NFL and kick returner Derrick Mason established a schoolrecord 2,575 career return yards.
Shurmur played guard and linebacker as a freshman and started at center the next three seasons, earning four letters and All- Big Ten conference honors and All-America honorable mention in 1987 at Michigan State. Shurmur co-captained a Spartans squad that defeated USC in the Rose Bowl. He earned a master’s degree in financial administration and was the first graduate student football player at the university.
A product of Divine Child High School in Dearborn, Mich., Shurmur comes from a football background. His uncle, the late Fritz Shurmur, coached for the Rams from 1982- 90 and served as the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator from 1994-98 and helped that club win two NFC Championships and Super Bowl XXXI against the New England Patriots.
Pat and his wife Jennifer, have four children, daughters Allyson, Erica and Claire, and son Kyle.
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The part in RED...I like that, a lot...a HC from the offensive side of the ball who knows OLine as well as QB/TE/RB, plus he played LB.
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1) Hiring the OC from a mediocre team in a division that is all about defense makes no sense to me at all. Two of the top defenses in the league are in this division, and the HC for the third came from one of them. IMHO, if defense isn't a focus, and we don't end up with a solid DC, then we are boned for two years, until this regime is replaced.
In what way does having an offensive-minded head coach preclude having a good defense? From your own example, Brian Billick was a supposed offensive guru when he was hired to coach the Ravens. Vice versa, Bill Belichick is supposed to be a defensive mastermind; did that stop the Pats from racking up offensive records a few years back?
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2) The wide net that was supposed to be cast was never cast at all. It is very difficult to believe that Shurmur is the best candidate out there. VERY difficult to believe. He has very a limited resume, and limited experience. So the big white elephant in the room is, other than the Holmgren/Heckert/Lamonte connection, exactly what qualifies him to be the HC of the Cleveland Browns?
Experience can only go so far in predicting how good a coach one will be. Romeo Crennel had one of the most distinguished resumes for a first-time coach ever. Mike Holmgren did not.
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Has anyone been hired yet? Did I miss something?
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6) Holmgren's word just took a nose dive, in my view, based on his promise to do a comprehensive search. His motives for this hiring come into question, is this strictly about control? Is Shurmur merely a figurehead? Will he be allowed to put his own, or any kind of, stamp on this team? And the biggest question of all, does the team, and winning, really come first?
As others have stated, Holmgren's policy has been to only confirm candidates after an interview has taken place. We have no way of knowing how far and wide he's looked for interested prospects. And again, until we hire someone, our head coaching search is still ongoing.
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While simply taking Holmgren's word for it isn't the best argument for liking a coaching choice, it's not exactly laugh-worthy. The man has spent his entire NFL career working under good coaches (Walsh), being a good coach, and identifying rising coaching talents to put on his staffs (Reid, Gruden, the list goes on). I don't think it's entirely ridiculous to suggest he might have an idea of the qualities necessary to be a successful NFL head coach.
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It doesn't really matter how he starts with the fans and media. If he wins, he'll be golden.
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6) Holmgren's word just took a nose dive, in my view, based on his promise to do a comprehensive search.
How do you know who he's talked to or considered other than what you've read in the media?
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His motives for this hiring come into question, is this strictly about control? Is Shurmur merely a figurehead? Will he be allowed to put his own, or any kind of, stamp on this team? And the biggest question of all, does the team, and winning, really come first?
Are you kidding.... or do you really think Holmgren's going to put his reputation on the line for nepotism and a power grab? Get a grip.
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I'd love this pick if we were bringing him in as the QB coach. 
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Wow, someone on this board takes exception to my questions. How is that even possible? I have a grip, don't worry your pretty little head about it. 
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Or it could be that some posters aren't doing cartwheels over hiring the OC for a bad Rams offense, because, well.... we never heard of the guy until a week ago.
That doesn't mean Shurmur won't be a success - I'm taking a wait-and-see approach - but there's nothing wrong if a poster is skeptical about this supposed hire.
It doesn't mean they're all Chicken Littles.
That sums that up for me. I have no choice to to wait and watch and hope. But, color me a bit underwhelmed.
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Actually I did read your entire post.
You are probably the only one. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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lol... I'm sure it's a fine head.
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Yeah, I posted that on the other thread. Nice article about him from back when he was McNabb's QB coach in 2005.
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The part in RED...I like that, a lot...a HC from the offensive side of the ball who knows OLine as well as QB/TE/RB, plus he played LB.
Seems things have changed. Several days ago when pound dawg mentioned his name and i agreed, you said this.
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peen...9 yrs NFL experience is weak.
He has not paid enough dues...I'm tired of weak resume's...experience does matter. The guy has no HC experience..not even at the college level.
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Shurmur gets the most out of Rams' offense BY BERNIE MIKLASZ, Post-Dispatch Sports Columnist | Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:15 am Other than Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, I don't think any manager or coach in St. Louis takes more heat than Pat Shurmur. The Rams' offensive coordinator rarely seems to be on the popular side of public opinion. I've gotten on him for, among other things, failing to adjust the game plan in the second half. And for being reluctant to call enough down-field passes. And for trying to play it too safe when the Rams have a lead. Usually these acerbic critiques come after the Rams have lost a frustrating game. The second-half breakdowns at Oakland and Tampa Bay come to mind. During calmer moments, I appreciate Shurmur. I'll be honest: I think I was slow to come to understand his wisdom and philosophy with this particular offensive cast. And that's my fault. This does not mean that we agree with all of his choices. I think Shurmur could be more creative. We'll get into some of that later. But allow me to try and explain why I've come to respect Shurmur's work. The Rams don't have an explosive offense. We can have fits of distemper and holler for deep passes and a tricked-up game plan. But what, exactly, would be accomplished if Shurmur tried to go with a vertical offense? It would be stupid. And harmful. The Rams don't have the receivers to play home-run derby. They lack the element of danger. Shurmur has referred to what he does as 'small ball ... lots of bunts and singles." And absolutely he's right. The Rams average 9.79 yards per completed pass. That's last (32nd) in the NFL. According to STATS LLC, the Rams' average number of yards at the point of the reception — what the receiver does after making the catch isn't included — is only 4.4 yards, which ranks 31st. Translation: lots of short passes. But if this is small ball, the Rams are doing a fine job of executing it. And there is true value in this approach. No. 1, Shurmur is keeping rookie quarterback Sam Bradford out of harm's way most of the time. Only 5.5 percent of the Rams' attempts to pass end in a sack. That's among the lowest sack rates in the NFL this season. That's also the lowest sack rate by a Rams offense since the team moved to St. Louis in 1995. Reducing sacks not only minimizes the number of hits on Bradford, it also helps the Rams avoid drive-killing negative plays. A passing game that gets rid of the ball quickly also gives young offensive tackles Rodger Saffold and Jason Smith a chance to develop under more reasonable circumstances. Saffold and Smith have allowed only three sacks (combined) this season. No. 2, Bradford is developing a rhythm and confidence in the West Coast offense. This has been a superb experience for Bradford to learn how to master the shorter pass routes that form the foundation of the West Coast offense. Bradford has put his surprisingly deft mobility into action with rollout passes. Bradford has distributed the ball to many receivers; even if the passes are short, it helps to keep the defense off guard about knowing where the ball will go. Establishing the discipline required to run this offense is a valuable component to a quarterback's development. Bradford is nailing down the fundamentals; he'll be more prepared to take the St. Louis passing game to the next level in 2011. No. 3, the Shurmur concept of going methodical is setting the Rams up on some long and fruitful scoring drives. They rank seventh in the NFL in 10-play drives. They're 11th in the league in points produced (50) from 10-play scoring drives. They are tied for ninth for the largest number of possessions that last five minutes or longer. Their average scoring drive lasts 8.8 plays and 3 minutes, 57 seconds; only four NFL teams are going on longer marches to secure points. Bradford is a crucial factor in the success. He's been special on third-down plays, keeping drives going with timely completions. Bradford has connected on 60 percent of his third-down throws. He has six touchdowns and no interceptions on third down. Bradford's third-down passer rating of 101.2 is the league's sixth best. And the Rams are 11th in the NFL in converting third downs. And we have to give Shurmur some of the credit. Along with QB coach Dick Curl, Shurmur has done an excellent job of preparing Bradford for the myriad of blitzes and looks on defense. I won't run from my previous words; I had major concerns about Curl. But he's been good for Bradford, just as head coach Steve Spagnuolo insisted. I was wrong. Because the Rams are so stubborn about keeping the ball, they rank sixth in the NFL in time of possession. The Rams are keeping impressive company; the only teams that control the ball more are the NY Giants, San Diego, New Orleans, Atlanta and Baltimore. And by hogging the ball, the Rams are keeping their frisky defense rested and fresh. That's a plus. And these deliberate drives do have a destination and a point. The Rams are getting in position to score, probably more than we realize. They've had 30 red-zone series this season (inside the other team's 20-yard line.) Only New Orleans, San Diego, Oakland, New England and the NY Giants have set up more times than the Rams in the red zone. The problem? Cashing in. The Rams have scored only 11 touchdowns in 30 red-zone opportunities; that TD percentage of 36.7 percent ranks 30th in the league. The major flaws are sacks allowed in the red zone (five) and the inability to run it in the RZ. And that's an area where Shurmur must be more creative. Shurmur also has to find more ways to keep the offense moving in the second half. That's been another issue. The Rams rank ninth in the NFL in first-half yards and 15th in first-half points. In the second half, they rank 30th in yards and 31st in points. Shurmur certainly has it in him to implement fresh ideas in the latter stages of games. But the Rams can't stand still in the second half. They can't be predictable. They need to add some second-half flourishes. Other thoughts: The Rams have had too many negative first-down plays. I don't know why. But Bradford has five interceptions on first down. And the Rams rank 28th in their average per rush (3.9 yards) on first down. That must change. And yes, I'd still like to see the Rams take more shots down field, just to make the defense think about the possibility. But I did not come here to talk about the Pat "Murmur" offense. Pat Shurmur deserves praise. He's taken stock of the available talent, and he's making the best of it. The reality is, the Rams have little choice but to play small ball until they can expand their talent and dimensions. Shurmur figured that out a lot sooner than his critics. Including this one. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/b...a8.html?print=1
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Yeah, I posted that on the other thread. Nice article about him from back when he was McNabb's QB coach in 2005.
Sorry for the repost. Once these things goes several pages and several locked threads, it's easy to miss stuff.
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Nice read Big Shot! A little ball control and our D gets a rest it seldom gets. Colt gets some good coaching and is set up to succeed. If he tends to get over cautious he can get a lesson from coach Holmgren. He'll break him. Overall, a 45 year old coach has the potential for many, many years service!
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My concerns come from the fact that this guy was Brian Daboll last year.
His offense was regarded as unimaginative and unproductive.
The local media type who covers the team gave him the lowest grade on the coaching staff, an F.
His offense scored less than 11 points/game.
This year, with the major improvement to the point where they scored 1 TD more than we did over the course of the entire season, in a cupcake division, he is suddenly a star?
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Just because coaches have had some success coming from "nowhere" to become accomplished head coaches doesn't mean that every coach who does so takes that same path.
I will hope for the best from the guy, but as of right now, if he is the choice, it is an extremely disappointing choice to me. It appears to me to be Holmgren saying "I'm going to put a WCO guy in here no matter what", and that should not be the criteria in my opinion.
Further, we interviewed 3 guys for the job. 3. You cannot tell me that only 3 guys accepted the opportunity to even discuss the job. Sure it's a difficult job, but you have a really strong front office in place now. That should be a really great selling point. Look at last year's draft. Wow! Potential candidates should be looking at that and saying "You know, 2 or 3 of those and that teams could be completely rebuilt and ready to contend for a Super Bowl."
We had 3 people interview.
To me that is not the far ranging search, from college, the NFL, coordinators, position coaches, and former coaches that Holmgren said he would conduct. This was "Well, we interviewed 1 guy, and found our guy, Let's have our scheduled interview, and our Rooney guy, and call it a day".
As I said ... maybe decades of losing have colored my opinions .... but I am extremely unimpressed with Shurmur, and will be disappointed if he is the guy. I think that we could have done better .... and frankly, a lot better. I have this sick feeling that we are about to have Marty Mornhinweg's reincarnation roll into town.
I hope that I am wrong, but fear that I am not. Time will tell.
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Well, that was a rather positive look at Shurmer..... Have no idea how right is it, but positive all the same.
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He may not run the offense.
Maybe they'll let him be a head coach and not put that added pressure on him.
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Failing to adjust at halftime? Plays conservatively with a lead? Man, sign me up…it's been a while since we've had that here in Cleveland.
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That seems more like the head coaches mentality and not Shurmur.
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Failing to adjust at halftime? Plays conservatively with a lead? Man, sign me up…it's been a while since we've had that here in Cleveland.
Don't know how accurate the article posted a couple up from your post is,, or how accurate the writer has the line on Shurmer, But it would tend to explain why he does that, if indeed it's his call.
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So wait, it's a good article about our new head coach, except for the negative parts?
A Rams beat writer says he has explicitly called out this coach for being conservative and poor adjustments, so he's probably just wrong and should blame someone else?
You guys are too much. Please realize that Mike Holmgren and the decisions that he makes are not infallible. You don't have to blindly champion his every move.
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You guys are too much. Please realize that Mike Holmgren and the decisions that he makes are not infallible. You don't have to blindly champion his every move.
Nor should we jump to the conclusion that his decisions are self-serving. Cripe, a coach isn't even signed yet.
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 Credit to Waiting For Next Year for the photo. I prefer "Shurmurnator" for the spelling though.
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So wait, it's a good article about our new head coach, except for the negative parts?
A Rams beat writer says he has explicitly called out this coach for being conservative and poor adjustments, so he's probably just wrong and should blame someone else?
You guys are too much. Please realize that Mike Holmgren and the decisions that he makes are not infallible. You don't have to blindly champion his every move.
You seemed to look only at the negative parts.. Here is what I was referring to as positive.'
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During calmer moments, I appreciate Shurmur. I'll be honest: I think I was slow to come to understand his wisdom and philosophy with this particular offensive cast. And that's my fault.
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But allow me to try and explain why I've come to respect Shurmur's work.
The Rams don't have an explosive offense. We can have fits of distemper and holler for deep passes and a tricked-up game plan. But what, exactly, would be accomplished if Shurmur tried to go with a vertical offense? It would be stupid. And harmful. The Rams don't have the receivers to play home-run derby. They lack the element of danger
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Shurmur has referred to what he does as 'small ball ... lots of bunts and singles." And absolutely he's right. The Rams average 9.79 yards per completed pass. That's last (32nd) in the NFL. According to STATS LLC, the Rams' average number of yards at the point of the reception — what the receiver does after making the catch isn't included — is only 4.4 yards, which ranks 31st. Translation: lots of short passes.
But if this is small ball, the Rams are doing a fine job of executing it.
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And there is true value in this approach.
No. 1, Shurmur is keeping rookie quarterback Sam Bradford out of harm's way most of the time. Only 5.5 percent of the Rams' attempts to pass end in a sack. That's among the lowest sack rates in the NFL this season. That's also the lowest sack rate by a Rams offense since the team moved to St. Louis in 1995. Reducing sacks not only minimizes the number of hits on Bradford, it also helps the Rams avoid drive-killing negative plays. A passing game that gets rid of the ball quickly also gives young offensive tackles Rodger Saffold and Jason Smith a chance to develop under more reasonable circumstances. Saffold and Smith have allowed only three sacks (combined) this season.
No. 2, Bradford is developing a rhythm and confidence in the West Coast offense. This has been a superb experience for Bradford to learn how to master the shorter pass routes that form the foundation of the West Coast offense. Bradford has put his surprisingly deft mobility into action with rollout passes. Bradford has distributed the ball to many receivers; even if the passes are short, it helps to keep the defense off guard about knowing where the ball will go. Establishing the discipline required to run this offense is a valuable component to a quarterback's development. Bradford is nailing down the fundamentals; he'll be more prepared to take the St. Louis passing game to the next level in 2011.
No. 3, the Shurmur concept of going methodical is setting the Rams up on some long and fruitful scoring drives. They rank seventh in the NFL in 10-play drives. They're 11th in the league in points produced (50) from 10-play scoring drives. They are tied for ninth for the largest number of possessions that last five minutes or longer. Their average scoring drive lasts 8.8 plays and 3 minutes, 57 seconds; only four NFL teams are going on longer marches to secure points.
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But I did not come here to talk about the Pat "Murmur" offense. Pat Shurmur deserves praise. He's taken stock of the available talent, and he's making the best of it. The reality is, the Rams have little choice but to play small ball until they can expand their talent and dimensions. Shurmur figured that out a lot sooner than his critics. Including this one.
What I've quoted is practically the entire article, but all you chose to look at are the negatives...
Two things to keep in mind, 1. I really don't know enough about Shurmer to get excited about him (IF HE IS INDEED HIRED) More will come out both pro and con about him,, so I'll just wait and see
2. I am more than well aware that Holmgren isn't infalible..he's human. But as far as skills, knowledge and time in the league, he's much more prepared to recognize talent than you or I.
So, while I'm not excited, I'm being rather wait and see-ish about it.
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Now Browns Fan: I don't want to hear any complaining. We must not resist, we must lay back and accept it.
Do you stop to think about what you type before you hit the post button?
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Cant wait to see what Shurmur brings to the table
Lets get this thing started
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CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Cleveland Browns could have a new coach in hours.
The team is in talks with St. Louis offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur to succeed Eric Mangini and become its fifth coach since 1999.
Shurmur's agent, Bob LaMonte, arrived at team headquarters Thursday to negotiate with Browns President Mike Holmgren, who just happens to be one of his clients.
Shurmur spent the past two years running the Rams' offense. He helped develop rookie quarterback Sam Bradford, who led the Rams to a 7-9 record one season after they went 1-15. The Browns want a coach to groom Colt McCoy.
Shurmur was an assistant for 10 years in Philadelphia, where he learned the West Coast offense under Andy Reid, one of Holmgren's closest friends.
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The Cleveland Browns have completed their interview process and are in talks with St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur to become their head coach, league sources said Wednesday.
The Browns expect to announce the move Thursday, when Shurmur's agent, Bob LaMonte, comes to Cleveland to finalize the deal. LaMonte's clients also include Browns president Mike Holmgren, general manager Tom Heckert and executive vice president Bryan Wiedmeier.
St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur was the first candidate to interview for the Cleveland Browns' head-coaching job. (Jeff Roberson/Associated Press)
Lamonte didn't return numerous phone messages left by The Associated Press with his agency.
Shurmur, 45, is one of the rising coordinators in the NFL, and Rams officials have said privately that they expected the Browns to hire him sometime this week.
Shurmur worked in Philadelphia under coach Andy Reid, a protege and close friend of Holmgren, and helped develop Donovan McNabb into one of the league's top quarterbacks. Shurmur also worked with Browns general manager Tom Heckert as an Eagle.
Although he lacks head-coaching experience, Shurmur's background running a West Coast offense and working with young quarterbacks appeals to Holmgren, who started his search determined to "find exactly the right person for the job who can eventually someday lead us to the championship. That is my only goal."
Holmgren wants to expand the Browns' offense, which languished under coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll. Mangini was fired earlier this month after two 5-11 seasons.
Under Shurmur's guidance this season, Rams rookie quarterback Sam Bradford passed for 18 touchdowns and 3,512 yards -- second-most by a rookie behind Peyton Manning's 3,739 in 1998
When Shurmur departs, former Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is among the candidates to replace him in St. Louis.
The Browns met with two other head-coaching candidates, Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey and New York Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell, over the past week. It also was assumed that the Browns would interview Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, but that meeting never took place.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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10 reasons to fire Mangini: Quote:
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failing to adjust the game plan in the second half.
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reluctant to call enough down-field passes.
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taken stock of the available talent, and he's making the best of it.
Bring on the new guy, I'm just giddy thinking about it.
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Looks like all he has to do is sign on the dotted line.
I guess I can add "Shurmur" to the dictionary on my spell check; so I don't get the red swiggly line under his name every time I type it.
Now let's see who he brings in as his staff. I think Dave Wannstedt would be an excellent hire as defensive coordinator.
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I never said his decisions were self-serving. I think it's ridiculous how many people are afraid to accept that there's a very real possibility that he could just flat-out be wrong. Not a single compelling reason has been given as to why Pat Shurmur can be the guy to lead the Browns to victory. The only reasons given are "Holmgren picked him" and "he worked for Tom Heckert".
So forgive me for not being blindly optimistic, for not thinking that a coach with a mediocre résumé is the guy to lead this talent-starved roster to the big dance. I hope I couldn't be more wrong.
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That seems more like the head coaches mentality and not Shurmur.
I'd say. Remember Rob Ryan was hampered in OAK by the owner and HC.
Just go get Jim Fassel the fossil. Then some of you get your old, experienced fart!
I'd soon have Shurmer than Marty defer the OT KO or some of those Buffalo rejects! Gruden dont want it. Cowher dont want and Lombardi, Landry and Hank Stram are dead!!
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