DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Pat Shurmur's Coordinators?

Now that Shurmur is the new head coach. I'd like to throw out some names of potential coordinators that Shurmur could possibly hire. What do you think?

OC: Nolan Cromwell, Darrell Bevell, Juan Castillo or Brad Childress
DC: Jim Mora Jr. or Dick Jauron (both former head coaches!)

Will he be picking coordinators or will Holmgren?

My guess is Holmgren will advise...strongly maybe?

I thought Dave Wannstedt was on the short list of DCs. Well, according to guys on here and a few non-confirmed sites too.

I think Haskell would be an excellent choice for OC given he's already in the fold and has had success. Just depends on if he's up for it.

Dick Jauron would be a solid pick for DC.

I don't know what's going to happen withh Denver's coaches, but I'll throw out a name for OC ..... Mike McCoy. Denver was 13th in total offense, and started a rookie QB (who wasn't supposed to be game ready at all this year) for 3 games.

He seems like a bright guy, and his game plans are creative. He has coached WRs, QBs, and been an OC.

Is Ryan out?

Could be.

No one knows for sure yet. I would guess that they will get their preferred people under contract, let the assistants know, and then make the announcements.

Good call on Mike McCoy...forgot about him. I'm not worried as much about the offensive coordinator as I am about the defense. I'm sure Shurmur will be calling his own plays like all west coast guys except for Andy Reid, but he only gave them up a couple of years ago to Marty.

If he doesn't keep Ryan, which I doubt he will, it's critical to get an experienced DC in here to run the defense. I would be more than satisfied with Jauron or Mora.

Jauron, Wannstedt, Mora, or even John Fox if the Broncos don't hire him.

But if it's Fox, make sure you get someone who is ready to replace him because he won't be around long.

I really hate the idea of a rookie head coach calling his own plays.

The guy needs to learn to be a head coach without also trying to design gameplans and give the offense his undivided attention. He needs to coach the entire team, otherwise he might as well remain an offensive coordinator.

McCoy could be a promising option (inevitable confusion with the QB notwithstanding). Does anyone know if he's still under contract with the Broncos? If so, I assume we'd have to get their permission to talk to him, given it would be a lateral move. Is that right, or am I thinking wrong?

I'm sure the Denver assistants are in the same boat as our assistants were/are.

Waiting for a head coach to be hired and being told if they will be retained.

Considering that they fired McDaniels and haven't hired his replacement yet, I would suspect that he might be available ..... much like our assistant coaches were/are.

Walsh was a coordinator at Cincinnati and San Diego - Called his own plays in San Francisco.

Holmgren was a QB coach for 2 years, coordinator for 4 years and always called his own plays in GB

Reid was only a QB coach in GB and never called plays before being named head coach.

McCarthy, Turner (tho not west coast) and Peyton all call their own plays.
Norv Turner, not west coast, but calls his own plays

It sure seems like all offensive head coaches call their own plays.

I understand your logic about the head coach being a manager, but that's just not reality. I'd be shocked if Shurmur doesn't call his own plays.

Nothing has been said by the team.

But Tony Grossi is reporting Ryan is out.

How many young head coaches get blown out of their jobs because they cannot delegate?

That is a vital skill for any head coach to learn. He has to coach the team, not be a glorified coordinator.

I also feel that a head coach having someone else calling plays allows the head coach to stay above things. If he sees something that isn't working, he need not feel compelled to continue doing it just because it's his baby. he can still work with the coordinator, and can overrule any playcall .... but not having to call every play allows him to pay attention to everything that is happening.

So... no matter what, you won't be surprised?

You're talking like the guys only experience has been Pop Warner equipment manager!

No, I'm saying that a lot of young coordinators move up to head coach in this league, only to be blown out with 2-3 years because they cannot manage the big picture.

Teams that already have established philosophies/talent bases are easier for a 1st time head coach to step into. He can be the coach of the entire team, and manage the coaches under him. He can handle setting the agenda, and work through his established coaches to carry out that agenda.

1st time head coaches often try to do it all themselves, and this is amplified on bad teams. They have to call plays .... they have to manage every detail .... and they lose the big picture because they are concentrating on minor details that can, and should be left to subordinates. They lose control of the team because they try to micro manage the team.

If a guy wants to be a head coach, then he should be a head coach. This team is going to require a lot of work, and a full time head coach ..... not a part time head coach/part time coordinator. There are very few guys who can, and have pulled that off .... and far, far more who have failed, despite being very capable and competent coordinators.

Is John Fox a shoe-in to get a new HC gig? If not, call him up!

He's now the Bronco's head coach . . .

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/779236/an/0/page/0#Post779236

So much for that.

per http://www.nfl.com/ John Elway has tweeted that John Fox is the new HC of the Broncos.

Does it really matter?

j/c

Richard Curl is a QB coach in St. Louis. I'd guess that if Shurmur is bringing his guys, he'd likely take someone he'd worked with.

Plus part of the appeal with Shurmur was his work with Bradford. Would be logical to grab bradford's qb coach as well right?

Not for it or against it...just pointing out.