1) Patrick Peterson - FS/CB LSU 2) Nick Fairley - DT Auburn 3) AJ Green - WR Georgia 4) Da'Quan Bowers - DE Clemson 5) Prince Amukamara - CB Nebraska 6) Robert Quinn - DE N Carolina 7) Marcell Dareus - DT Alabama 8) Von Miller - OLB Texas A&M 9) Julio Jones - WR Alabama 10) Ryan Kerrigan - DE Purdue
I still think the Browns get AJ Green at #6. I really do. If for some reason Carolina or Cincy decide to pick him though, I'd just go BPA left from that Top 10 list. If Patrick Peterson is there at #6 with Green gone I don't think we can NOT pick him. Also, I don't think Jones at #6 would be a huge reach either.
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That's mine, but when it gets to Jones, I'd see about trading down (if i havn't said that enough already)
People want to talk about Carolina and Cincy, I think the key is Arizona taking a QB. Because if they go Defense then we lose another possible prospect...
Draft another CB in the top 10 would be a nice start to my "Um, ok" draft
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Anyone think that this is a trade down year if someone like AJ Green isn't there? I only suggest it because Heckert might be able to find a talented receiver in the 2nd round (or even later in the first) .. and with an extra 2nd or 3rd we could completely rebuild the dline and maybe even finish adding to the right side of the OLine.
Not sure what I think yet ... but with all of our Defensive needs we could honestly take ANY of the guys listed above and still be ok. So if we are going to take them at #6, why not take them at #10 to #15 and pick up a second if a team like minnesota or whoever wants to move up above San Fran for a quarterback?
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Quote: Anyone think that this is a trade down year if someone like AJ Green isn't there? I only suggest it because Heckert might be able to find a talented receiver in the 2nd round (or even later in the first) .. and with an extra 2nd or 3rd we could completely rebuild the dline and maybe even finish adding to the right side of the OLine.
Not sure what I think yet ... but with all of our Defensive needs we could honestly take ANY of the guys listed above and still be ok. So if we are going to take them at #6, why not take them at #10 to #15 and pick up a second if a team like minnesota or whoever wants to move up above San Fran for a quarterback?
I'll respond specifically to the parts I bolded. As for the first, it depends on what your definition of "talented" is. If you mean you want a #1 WR then only 2 exist in this draft: Green and Jones. There is a monster talent drop-off from those 2 down to the late 1st to 2nd round guys like Jonathan Baldwin, Torrey Smith, Leonard Hankerson. It would be a different story if Michael Floyd, Justin Blackmon and Ryan Broyles had declared but they didn't and it really hit the top end of the WR depth.
The problem here isn't that Baldwin or Smith aren't talented, it's that they're going to be best suited as #2 or #3 WR in the NFL as slot or possession type WR. Trading back and drafting them would be following the same strategy as when we drafted MoMass. MoMass is a very capable #2 or #3 but he just flat out isn't a #1. We already have a bunch of 2's and 3's here. We HAVE to find that stud #1 WR that allows all our others to get pushed down to where they should be. Getting a 6th #2 WR does us no good IMO.
So, from that perspective, unless we plan on getting our #1 WR from free agency (which is a possibility I guess) then it's Green, Jones or bust for us. Which leads me to the 2nd bolded point. If we are in a situation where we absolutely have to draft one of those 2 WR then it makes it a lot harder to trade down. Even to 10-15 range unless you are SURE one of those 2 guys will still be there. Personally I think both go in the top 10-12 for sure with Green gone before that so that's a very risky proposal. We'd be royally SCREWED if we traded back to #12 with Minnesota, for example, and saw Green go #4 to Cincinnati and Jones go #10 to Washington. But, as always, if you can still get your guy while adding an additional pick later by trading down then it's always a good idea. If we grab that WR in FA then by all means I'm for trading down to get more defensive help, but otherwise it's just not going to be smart to risk missing out on one of those two guys IMO.
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I REALLY wanted Blackmon. He reminds me of Andre Johnson.
Another good year and he'll be top 10 for sure next year...
*sigh*
This is why teams that draft well stay good, because once you get good, the draft picks aren't as easy to come by, and you actually have to choose who you think will be best.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
What about the WR from Pitt? Or the one from Troy? Could one or both fall to us in the 2nd?
Sounds like if we needed a slot receiver (we MIGHT have at least 1 in the guys we have had starting) that guy from Hawaii is going to be an excellent one in the pros.
As you can see I'm so good w/ these players' names.
Any other #1 WRs other than Jackson or Rice available? BTW, witht he question mark looming about the CBA I wouldn't hold my breathe they even see the market.
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Steve Breaston (UFA) - Arizona Brian Clark (UFA) - Detroit Mark Clayton (UFA) - St. Louis Michael Clayton (UFA) - NY Giants David Clowney (RFA) - Carolina Terrance Copper (UFA) - Kansas City Rashied Davis (UFA) - Chicago Early Doucet (RFA) - Arizona Braylon Edwards (UFA) - NY Jets Brian Finneran (UFA) - Atlanta Malcom Floyd (UFA) - San Diego Mike Furrey (UFA) - Washington Derek Hagan (UFA) - NY Giants Johnnie Lee Higgins (UFA) - Oakland Jason Hill (UFA) - Jacksonville Domenik Hixon (UFA) - NY Giants Santonio Holmes (UFA) - NY Jets T.J. Houshmandzadeh (UFA) - Baltimore Paul Hubbard (RFA) - Buffalo Sam Hurd (UFA) - Dallas Vincent Jackson (UFA) - San Diego Jaymar Johnson (RFA) - Minnesota Jacoby Jones (UFA) - Houston James Jones (UFA) - Green Bay Greg Lewis (UFA) - Minnesota Michael Lewis (UFA) - St. Louis Ruvell Martin (UFA) - Seattle Nick Miller (UFA) - Oakland Lance Moore (UFA) - New Orleans Randy Moss (UFA) - Tennessee Santana Moss (UFA) - Washington Legedu Naanee (UFA) - San Diego Ben Obomanu (UFA) - Seattle Terrell Owens (UFA) - Cincinnati Sidney Rice (UFA) - Minnesota Laurent Robinson (UFA) - St. Louis Courtney Roby (UFA) - New Orleans Mike Sims-Walker (UFA) - Jacksonville Brad Smith (UFA) - NY Jets Steve Smith (UFA) - NY Giants Micheal Spurlock (RFA) - Tampa Bay Donte' Stallworth (UFA) - Baltimore Isaiah Stanback (UFA) - Seattle Brandon Stokley (UFA) - Seattle Maurice Stovall (UFA) - Tampa Bay Chansi Stuckey (UFA) - Cleveland Kelley Washington (UFA) - San Diego Eric Weems (RFA) - Atlanta Demetrius Williams (UFA) - Cleveland
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Steve Breaston (UFA) - Arizona Brian Clark (UFA) - Detroit Mark Clayton (UFA) - St. Louis Michael Clayton (UFA) - NY Giants David Clowney (RFA) - Carolina Terrance Copper (UFA) - Kansas City Rashied Davis (UFA) - Chicago Early Doucet (RFA) - Arizona Braylon Edwards (UFA) - NY Jets Brian Finneran (UFA) - Atlanta Malcom Floyd (UFA) - San Diego Mike Furrey (UFA) - Washington Derek Hagan (UFA) - NY Giants Johnnie Lee Higgins (UFA) - Oakland Jason Hill (UFA) - Jacksonville Domenik Hixon (UFA) - NY Giants Santonio Holmes (UFA) - NY Jets T.J. Houshmandzadeh (UFA) - Baltimore Paul Hubbard (RFA) - Buffalo Sam Hurd (UFA) - Dallas Vincent Jackson (UFA) - San Diego Jaymar Johnson (RFA) - Minnesota Jacoby Jones (UFA) - Houston James Jones (UFA) - Green Bay Greg Lewis (UFA) - Minnesota Michael Lewis (UFA) - St. Louis Ruvell Martin (UFA) - Seattle Nick Miller (UFA) - Oakland Lance Moore (UFA) - New Orleans Randy Moss (UFA) - Tennessee Santana Moss (UFA) - Washington Legedu Naanee (UFA) - San Diego Ben Obomanu (UFA) - Seattle Terrell Owens (UFA) - Cincinnati Sidney Rice (UFA) - Minnesota Laurent Robinson (UFA) - St. Louis Courtney Roby (UFA) - New Orleans Mike Sims-Walker (UFA) - Jacksonville Brad Smith (UFA) - NY Jets Steve Smith (UFA) - NY Giants Micheal Spurlock (RFA) - Tampa Bay Donte' Stallworth (UFA) - Baltimore Isaiah Stanback (UFA) - Seattle Brandon Stokley (UFA) - Seattle Maurice Stovall (UFA) - Tampa Bay Chansi Stuckey (UFA) - Cleveland Kelley Washington (UFA) - San Diego Eric Weems (RFA) - Atlanta Demetrius Williams (UFA) - Cleveland
I bolded the ones I'd be interested in, but I doubt even half of that list even MAKES it to Free Agency, if there is one to begin with...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
We have quite a few holes to fill, and bringing in a WR necessarily won't ALWAYS help.. Look @ history.. We had Kellen Winslow AND Braylon Edwards, and did what? Not to much of anything.
I really want a WR, but not sure if its a smart move.. defense may be the way to go, and then draft a nice slot WR that can make plays like Titus Young, Ronald Johnson, Aldrick Robinson, etc.
Quote: We have quite a few holes to fill, and bringing in a WR necessarily won't ALWAYS help.. Look @ history.. We had Kellen Winslow AND Braylon Edwards, and did what? Not to much of anything.
Just because something we did in the past didn't work doesn't mean we shouldn't do it again. And both Winslow (drafted by Butch Davis) and Edwards (drafted by Phil Savage) were drafted by different front offices.
With that logic we shouldn't draft a DE high because Courtney Brown was a bust. Or a DT because of Gerard Warren. Or a OLB because of Wimbley.
What was the Lions record? What was the Texans record? What was the Cardinals record?
Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald... all had losing seasons..
if a the head chief already doesn't like to use 1st round picks on WR's, the same goes for the GM, what makes you think WR is a lock to go in the 1st round?
I'm all for a WR, but I'm thinking it may not happen that way unfortunately.
Quote: What was the Lions record? What was the Texans record? What was the Cardinals record?
The Lions had no QB consistency.
The Texans defense was atrocious.
The Cardinals had no D and no QB.
Johnson, Johnson, and Fitzgerald were great players on losing teams.
I don't think we have to take a WR in the 1st round. I never said that. What I have said is that if A.J. Green or Julio Jones or Joe Schmoe is as good as Johnson, Johnson, and/or Fitzgerald then we definitely should take that guy because those three guys I mentioned are the best three WR's in the NFL.
Quote: head chief already doesn't like to use 1st round picks on WR's
Holmgren did take Koren Robinson #9 overall in 2001 when he was the head chief of the Seahawks.
Quote: the same goes for the GM
I know that Heckert wasn't the main guy for the Eagles, but they took Maclin #19 in 2009.
Quote: what makes you think WR is a lock to go in the 1st round?
I don't think we have to take a WR in the 1st round. I never said that. What I have said is that if A.J. Green or Julio Jones or Joe Schmoe is as good as Johnson, Johnson, and/or Fitzgerald then we definitely should take that guy because those three guys I (and you) mentioned are the best three WR's in the NFL.
Quote: I'm all for a WR, but I'm thinking it may not happen that way unfortunately.
I don't think it would be all that unfortunate. There are many talented players in the draft. And we have talented people making decisions. Last year lots of people (maybe most) wanted Eric Berry to fall to us. He didn't and we got a pretty good player in Joe Haden.
If we're going DLine, I want someone that's going to come in guns a blazing and destroy people.
Hence, I'd favor a DE. Because unless Fairley or Dareus are the next Suh, which no offense to them I doubt it. You're biggest impact in a 4-3 comes from DE.
*sigh* This is going to be a long 3 months...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Since it looks like we are going back to a 4-3 it would be really nice to sign a RT and some WRs in free agency. Our first 4 picks could look like this and I would not lose any sleep.
1. Da'Quan Bowers
2. Jeremy Beal
3. Lawrence Guy
4. Justin Rodgers - His footwork and hip movement was NFL-caliber at the all star practices. He would be a great #2 corner
What was the Lions record? What was the Texans record? What was the Cardinals record?
Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald... all had losing seasons..
Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Patrick Willis, and Demarcus Ware all had losing seasons too...
Teams that went to the playoffs drafted: Cheifs: SS Colts: DE Pats: CB Steelers: C Jets: CB Saints: CB Eagles: DE Falcons: LB Seahawks: OT, SS Packers: OT
The ones that picked DE's and LBs were one and done, so it's DB's and Oline or bust!!
Quote: Teams that went to the playoffs drafted: Cheifs: SS Colts: DE Pats: CB Steelers: C Jets: CB Saints: CB Eagles: DE Falcons: LB Seahawks: OT, SS Packers: OT
The ones that picked DE's and LBs were one and done, so it's DB's and Oline or bust!!
That's only 10 teams.. it does not include the Bears or Ravens.. maybe because neither had a first round pick.. but with their first picks in the draft, the Ravens (at 43) selected Sergio Kindle, DE and the Bears (at 75) selected Major Wright, S..
I love Scott Wright as much as the next guy, but...
He has Buffalo taking Von Miller at #3. That's POSSIBLE but it's a huge reach. He has AJ Green going to Cincy at #4. I think that's the big monkey wrench team this year in terms of us being able to get our player (similar to KC with Eric Berry last year and SEA with Aaron Curry in 09).
But, assuming the draft actually pans out like his mock, there is NO FREAKING WAY we can pass up on Patrick Peterson if he's sitting there at #6 with Green already off the board. I will throw my tv out the window if we select Dareus over Peterson.
Is DLine a bigger need for us? Sure. Is CB still a need though? Umm, yeah look around we have TWO on the roster: Haden, Brown. Eric Wright is a FA and we only had 3 on the roster LAST year! Not to mention Peterson can also slide right over to FS if we'd prefer....you know that position which is in dire need of a ball-hawking cover guy to make up for TJ Ward's coverage liabilities?
In addition, DLine is so much deeper in prospects this year than DB. Sure Dareus might be the #3 or #4 rated DLine prospect (not taking anything away from him, he's a really good player) but a guy like Allen Bailey who will only be the #8/9/10 rated DLineman in the draft will still be on the board with our #37 pick (every team can't take DLine in the 1st round)...and the talent gap from Dareus to Bailey is a hell of a lot smaller than it is from Peterson to the lower CBs (think Aaron Williams from Texas). Also, Patrick Peterson is rated by some (me included) to be the #1 overall prospect in the entire draft.
Our team is so devoid of talent at so many positions, you can NOT just see the #1 overall prospect sitting there and say "yeah he'd be nice but what we REALLY need is this defensive tackle". Ugh. It's the equivalent of an NBA team saying "yeah that Michael Jordan looks like a really good player, but man what we REALLY need is a Center." Oops. No, we need to take the best talent available (within reason for positional need). Acquire more talent, then make sure your coaches can scheme to utilize that talent. It's not rocket science.
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